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Old 20-06-2008, 08:26
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Is ketamine really bad for you?

SWIM has heard very mixed messages about whether ketamine is bad for you physically. On the one hand, some people say it's extremely toxic and regular use will rot your brain and leave holes. Others say it's a legitimate drug used in hospitals, and it won't harm you... but still don't over do it, obviously.

SWIM has met a lot of people who've used it regularly for years and they seem ok physically.

SWIM is wondering how much he is (potentially) hurting himself by having a k hole day about once a month (probably 3-5g per session).

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Old 20-06-2008, 14:05
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

My Bill says it has a very low toxicity level, once a month will have no adverse effects.
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Old 21-06-2008, 21:47
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

the notion that Ketamine causes Olney's legions (holes in the brain) comes from observing rat brains, and has never been replicated successfully in a primate brain, despite efforts - horrific though these experiements are, they demonstrate the fundamental differences between the inner workings of different species.

In short, it's probably nothing to worry about. Even if the mechanism that causes the lesions in rat brains also works in human brains, which is unlikely, you'd have to seriously binge for an extended period of time to approach the kinds of amounts involved.

Ketamine has a kind of buffer built in - unless you IV or IM a stupid amount, you'd pass out and be incapable of taking any more before you start getting into fatal overdose territory.

That said, be careful, and have fun. Ketamines really not the filthy substance some would have you believe, but does pose a few risks.
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Old 21-06-2008, 23:24
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

I would have to point out that 3-5g per session is quite a lot and leaves the door open towards possible unfavourable consequences. Why that much? SWIM can comfortably reach a K-hole on 0.25g insufflated. Has this got to do with quality, tolerance or excessive use?
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Old 23-06-2008, 18:17
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

Is ketamine bad for you? Probably not. It's used in hospitals as a replacement for PCP specifically because it's a "safe" drug, and PCP was not a safe drug (PCP caused a lot of violent behavior).
Safety might go out the window when people start talking about being in a "k hole" and taking so much that they pass out. Hospitals give it to people to keep them asleep too, but that's monitored by doctors and nurses, and that's a big difference IMO.

Is illegal ketamine bad for you? Probably. Where did it come from? What is it mixed with it? Who is this asshole selling it? Where is the Quality Control and Quality Assurance generally associated with drugs that are sold in a store? Ketamine = good. Impurities = bad.

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This information is particularly balanced and safety conscious.
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Old 23-06-2008, 22:43
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

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Ketamine = good. Impurities = bad.
could be said about many substances/chemicals


SWIM and friends have never heard of any dangerous effects after K use, apart from falling down stairs etc
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Old 23-06-2008, 23:01
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

Thanks for the feedback.
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Old 23-06-2008, 23:40
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

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could be said about many substances/chemicals
You're right. I wouldn't be concerned about ketamine as much as I would be concerned about other crap mixed in. If someone is talking about a small dosage of questionalbly pure something, an impurity might not be a big deal. If someone is taking huge amounts of a substance with an unknown purity, toxic effects caused by an unknown impurity could show up.

Safety first. 5g sounds like an extremely large dosage, and some of the more potent drugs are given in miligrams, so even a 1% impurity could be dangerous. Don't just dive into something because the main ingredient is safe. Test a small amount first, if you must.
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Old 18-05-2009, 15:36
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

K, def has a huge amount of side effects! just really no noticable
ones except insomnia. there r people who used K
daily n now have 2 piss every 15 mins cuz there bladders r fucked n can't hold more than a mLs of urine!
bet that sounds fun right?? K fucks ur organs up wit excessive use!
SWIM loves K but K is a fucked up substance! Look it up!
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Old 19-05-2009, 12:35
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

It is a substance with a very low toxicity, and very low impact to the CNS (central nervous system). The reason they give it to horses (and also to babies/children) is because they have relatively delicate CNSs.

K is one of the most side effect free drugs there is, and if pure there is no reason that someone would suffer any adverse effects if taken in moderation.

And powertrips; of course you'll get ill effects if you are using huge quantities on a daily basis. If you had 8 cups of coffee a day for a year, you'd also have bad side effects!
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Old 22-05-2009, 16:21
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

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K, def has a huge amount of side effects! just really no noticable
ones except insomnia. there r people who used K
daily n now have 2 piss every 15 mins cuz there bladders r fucked n can't hold more than a mLs of urine!
bet that sounds fun right?? K fucks ur organs up wit excessive use!
SWIM loves K but K is a fucked up substance! Look it up!
The urinating part is true, though swim's friend who has been able to quit for the past 2 months said that since he has quit he hasn't had to piss as often as he did while doing ket on a regular basis.

Always be drinking lots of water to flush out your system while you are doing ket. please. it's the best thing you can do.
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:36
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Ketamine Drink Spike

My friend Caden gave me his consent to let him use a small amount of Ketamine. No more than 1/4 of a gram.

I have assured him using only once will not physically or mentally hurt him. However... I want to know how to prepare it so that it is drinkable. Snorting and injecting he is NOT ok with, and I told him we can do it this way. I just want to know how.
Should it be in powder form or liquid form?
Is there an extra step I need to take so that its prepared safely?

My reason for having him do it is personal, but I want to make it clear that I have his permission. Im not trying to drug some girl at a bar or something.

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Old 29-12-2009, 14:28
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

You can add it to his drink but really ... its very bitter and would want to make him puke see if he can take it indrink esp dont mix with alcohol please otherwise he is safe but also the high is less
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Old 26-05-2010, 15:07
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

I know I'm a bit late to be of any use in this thread, but don't drink (or god forbid eat) K. Seriously. The substance is heavily alkaline and FUCKS with your digestive system (which likes things acidic thank you very much). When you insufflate it, you should be spitting out the dripback too.
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Old 04-06-2010, 00:43
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

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My Bill says it has a very low toxicity level, once a month will have no adverse effects.
Agreed. Look at John C. Lilly, he used ketamine very frequently and he lived to 86. Plus, he was one of the greatest and smartest (IMO) psychonauts ever.
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Old 04-06-2010, 13:00
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

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K, def has a huge amount of side effects! just really no noticable
ones except insomnia. there r people who used K
daily n now have 2 piss every 15 mins cuz there bladders r fucked n can't hold more than a mLs of urine!
bet that sounds fun right?? K fucks ur organs up wit excessive use!
SWIM loves K but K is a fucked up substance! Look it up!
Swim has posted about this in another thread, but just thought she'd share here. This post is totally correct about the bladder damage. Swim has personal experience of this. Basically it causes thickening of the bladder wall and sometimes irreversible damage to the lower urinary tract.

Swim's symptoms included: Having to pass water extremely regularly (at worst about every 3-4 minutes), Really bad pain when passing water (like pissing razor blades), only being able to pass minuscule amounts of water (at worst the equivalent of a shot glass volume), and most disturbingly a lot of blood in the urine.

This occurred after swim became a ridiculous ket fiend and went way OTT. Using about 4 grams a day, but only for a relatively short period of time (approx 2/3 months).

Ket is a great drug, but it can get a hold over you. By all means enjoy the experience of sensible ket use, but don't be a stupid arse like swim and cain it too much. These symptoms are really unpleasant and can literally leave you housebound until it clears up. In some severe cases it doesn't go away, and can lead to the bladder having to be removed and possible lifelong catheter dependency...swim is 24, and frankly don't fancy spending the rest of her life with a piss bag (to be blunt about it).

Aside from that, using stupid amounts of ket will take away from the enjoyment you get out of it, after a while it has little effect and during her heaviest use swim found it literally impossible to induce a k hole, either by IM or nasally. It also ravages you mentally if you over do it, swim used to have to ring her mates up several times a day asking what time, day and month it was. Even when they told her 'it's 2 o clock', she had no clue if it was 2am or 2pm, despite looking out of her window and seeing that it was pitch black. Confused.com???

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Old 04-06-2010, 13:34
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

Even heavy ketamine use once a month is reasonably safe, its daily ketamine use that scars your bladder.
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Old 11-06-2010, 23:17
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

SWIM's partner has been using K for close to 20 years. He uses it heavily for short periods of time (a week or less). Urinary problems have developed over this time, although the problems are not major. His bladder does not hold as much as it once did and the volume of flow when urinating is also less.

He suspects this is do to K, although it could also be do to other drugs since he has done many different drugs over the years.

SWIM and her partner have also noticed impaired memory that seems to be K related. But again, this could also be do to other drugs.

HippiesRule420 said: "Agreed. Look at John C. Lilly, he used ketamine very frequently and he lived to 86. Plus, he was one of the greatest and smartest (IMO) psychonauts ever."

True, but he almost killed himself a number of times do to his K use. He was also eccentric, which may or may not have been do to long term dissociative use. Timothy Leary also became eccentric. SWIM's partner attended one of his last lectures before he died and was quite shocked at his mental state.
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Old 18-06-2010, 20:37
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

In swims´ opinion no, it is, if anything good for you.

The only danger would be falling down, or operating heavy machinery while under the influence.

Swim has heard of the bladder thickening issue but lends it no credence as swim has done ketamine daily up to 2500 mg per day for many months at a time with no adverse effects except a possible lack of productivity lol! Swim has noticed if anything with disasociatives an increased desire to pass urine but a difficulty doing so, but only while under the influence, nothing permanent.

Hope that helps swiy
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Old 18-06-2010, 23:56
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

Is water bad for you? To much and you drowned. If cyanide bad for you? To little and you die.

Evidence shows Ketamine is hepatoxic at daily as well as weekly use. Monthly or even biweekly your body may be able to overcome the toxicity... depending on your physiology and health. Many people may have impaired bladder/liver/kidney function (about 10% of Americans have hepatitis) and will exhibit damage with very little use. Other people have golden genes and squeaky diets (Lilly?) and at least don't publicly admit to having symptoms after heavy abuse.

Just because you don't notice symptoms it doesn't mean it isn't causing harm... damage is cumulative and by the time you have symptoms it tends to be advanced. Do yourself a favor and avoid routine use. Besides, it will lose it's powerful value with routine use.

Not to mention having a pissbag for life would really blow.

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'Evidence shows'.. where is this evidence?
Do you have a citation for the claim that "ketamine is hepatoxic at ... weekly use"?
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

How about someone start posting links to the scientific journal reports? Maybe the peer reviewed science that is currently accepted?

SWIM has used a good bit of K, usually in a binge fashion for a few days to a week, then stops. He has noticed minor memory trouble or frequent urination (once) on an excessive binge, but after he stops, all symptoms went away..

So SWIM appreciates everyone's opinions, but he'd prefer to find some journal references or some actual scientific data with regards to prolonged ketamine use. He did read the one about frequent urination from excessive "street" ketamine use, but he hasn't heard much else.

Please enlighten!
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Old 19-06-2010, 11:04
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

"http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/336/7651/973

This is not as unusual as the article makes sound, trust me I am not just chatting shit on the internet Ketamine CAN really fuck you up far quicker then you expect, I'm not saying it necessarily will but I have seen it happen."
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Old 19-06-2010, 23:13
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

i've been told many drugs "put holes in your brain"

i wonder what drug actually does
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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

SWIM, if he were to try ketamine, would be a total novice. His friendly personal seagull has told him that he would like to inquire about the safety issues of possible weekly/monthly use? SWIM is very curious about the risks of trying it? He's heard good reports. He wonders if the effects are beneficial? Is it euphoric? SWIM thanks the previous posting swimmers for all valuable information and comment. SWIM would be glad of any personal experiences? Pharmaceutical or street about the comparisons between the two. He's heard so much about it. Or may ketamine be "really bad" for SWIM as one who is uninitiated?

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Re: Is ketamine really bad for you?

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SWIM, if he were to try ketamine, would be a total novice. His friendly personal seagull has told him that he would like to inquire about the safety issues of possible weekly/monthly use? SWIM is very curious about the risks of trying it? He's heard good reports. He wonders if the effects are beneficial? Is it euphoric? SWIM thanks the previous posting swimmers for all valuable information and comment. SWIM would be glad of any personal experiences? Pharmaceutical or street about the comparisons between the two. He's heard so much about it. Or may ketamine be "really bad" for SWIM as one who is uninitiated?
As far as drugs go K is one of the safer ones. But as with anything swim's mileage may vary. K can be euphoric. One of the great things about K is that the experience can be shaped by dose, environment, and used in combination with other drugs (e.g. stimulants, opiates, weed). ROA (route of administration) also affects the experience.

Is K beneficial? For swim and her partner it has been. However, there have been plenty of very bad experiences over the years as well. If swim has done other psychedelics and enjoyed them, then swim will probably enjoy K.

Swim has never done "street" K, so she can't comment on that.

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