Setting - swim wants to try half a dose sometime next week

[skatealex2]

hello swimmers. Swim wants to try half a dose sometime next week at night when his parents are asleep just to get a taste of psychedelics before swim trips with his close friends in 2-3 months. swim doesnt want a full blown trip because hees waiting on his close friends to come up. so swim wants to know if this is a good idea? swim has extra blotter to spare anyway so swim figures why not have a little taste and maybe it could help him understand lsd before swim has a full experience in the future. any advice is appreciated. also if swim trips himself at night what would be fun things to do? swim was thinking of listening to music and maybe trying to draw or something cause swim has heard about ppls inner artist skills coming out on lsd. anyway please give swim advice.

thank you!!!!!!!!

*also understand swim doesnt have any real close friends near swim and figures the easiest way to try it would be at night when no one will bother swim

*also swim wants to make sure that half a dose doesnt have any danger potentials, and also swim has benzos on hand in case anything goes wrong

[Panthers007]

Sounds like SWIM is concerned of things going wrong, parents, other annoyances...so Bongo would suggest scrubbing the mission. Scrubbing same until he is with friends and in comfortable surroundings free of any/all fears. This is called 'Setting.'

[TMM]

Indeed, preparation is key, but there's no use worrying too much about what might go wrong. No lasting harm will come to SWIY, that's certain. If something goes wrong, dealing with it is part of the experience, and should not be so eagerly avoided. I'd say the benzos are unnecessary. If SWIY is noticeably anxious, beyond the realm of simply 'new experience' anxiety, I would echo the above and suggest delaying.

Also, half a dose isn't likely to be very strong at all, not to mention that since it's blotter, it's not necessary evenly spread over the paper. Seriously, just take the whole thing.

[Lobsang]

This reminded SWIM of the time SWIm and his friend were taking LSD late at night. SWIM and his friend took a very high dose. They got seperated. SWIM's friend freaked out. He went into SWIM's parent's bedroom as they slept. He actually got in bed with the parents. Wimpering and crying. Both parents woke up totally confused why SWIM's friend had climbed in bed with them and was crying and scared. SWIM was told that his fried then got on his hands and knees in front the bed begging SWIm's father who was a physician to give him something to make the trip stop. And rambled about how he was in an insane asylum and asking if he would ever be free? SWIM's father looked at him and said "fu*K you" and went back to sleep. SWIM's mother toook SWIM's friend downstairs and stroked his head on the sofa while SWIM's brother who fancied himself as a psychologist and wise attempted to dissect his inner mind and to calm him down like Sigmund Freud.

The next morning SWIM's friend was ashamed and told SWIM's mother that he was to embarrased to ever come back, SWIM's mother said "You can come back but just don't bring any acid". SWIm's father gave them both a big lecture not about LSD but about taking as much as they did. And SWIM's mother asked SWIM's friend in private if he or SWIM obtained the acid. SWIm's friend of course blamed it on SWIM. SWIm's mother told him she thought that was the case because SWIM's friend seemed like a good boy and was obviously corrupted by SWIM.

[Songcycle67]

SWIY needs to be around people who can help him should problems arise (even if it's just friends). Half a hit could contain any amount of LSD. Depending on tolerance SWIY could end up in a mental hospital due to not being able to communicate that SWIY has ingested a psychedelic. During SWIM's first trip he took a hit and ended up babbling and walking around in circles for the first few hours: hardly a sight for one's parents.

SWIY needs to be around people who can help should problems arise. Even if SWIY's friends are all dosed to the brim, usually the "group mind" can guide one out of a bad experience; whether it's telling parents/other authority figures exactly why their friend is naked, climbing a tree and talking about spirits or just putting on some relaxing music.

Friends also help one stay in a realm that is "identifiable." This kind of thing can come in very handy if SWIY should happen to ingest a dose large enough to detatch you from SWIY's identity.

[VitaminK22]

Swim dont wanna put any bad ideas into swiys head but swim always says he wished he had taken more than 1 tab on his first experience, as it was the best. Swim would never take lsd if his parents were in the same house though.
Anyway, my advice to swiy is to not take lsd until swiy is in the most comfortable setting possible with the closest of friends, the first lsd experience is a very special one, dont ruin it.

Benzos are a good way to run away from a trip, but it will catch you eventually.
Dont run away or fight your trips, as they will always win, instead try to work with your trips to solve any problems you may encounter

[skatealex2]

I guess you swims are right. so swIm will wait for the perfect day altho I'm anxious to try it and hope I don't run into any problems. Swim may as well ask this question since swim has the chance - Is LSD an experience that gonna be frightening even if its a good trip? From what swim has been reading it sounds like an intense experience, swim just wants to make sure swHEim is ready for whenever the time comes that h# does it.

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I'm means my frog btw.

[Songcycle67]

SWIM:

It all depends on set/setting/dose and, though its debatable: purity. If SWIY is the type of person who likes to be in control of things and has to have rational reasoning for everything that happens to him, he may end up very confused and possibly scared. Although this type of thing tends to manifest itself in more of a "humbling" feeling than a terrifying one.

When SWIM turns on people for their first time, usually with a dose of around 120-150 ug, usually he has to point out the things that are happening to the person because most people, due to the nature of "peaks and valleys," think nothing's happening--especially for the first few hours. I'm sure a lot of other SWIMmers have experienced this. Some people however, and SWIM includes himself in this group, seem to be innately aware of its effects during their first intoxication. Artists, mystics, and intellectuals usually fall under this category. SWIM is an artist and the first time he took it, at a dose of 100 or so ug, he had an incredible life-altering experience.

Some people, even if its subconsciously, seem to want to cling to their control and their understanding of the world. It's sort of like when someone goes into shock after an accident--they're unable to face what's going on so the unconscious mind just blocks it out. That's SWIM's theory anyway.

So it really depends on the type of person SWIY is. SWIM would advise him to do some soulseeking to try to open himself up--once he takes LSD he'll be ready to view himself in the objective manner for which psychedelics allow. Tell him to do lots of reading so that he can know what to expect, roughly, from various dosages. Generally, though, nothing he's ever heard from anyone else about this drug will apply to SWIY. Most of the effects are internal the first time unless he takes a cosmic dose. Also focus on setting. Have some stimulii around--i.e. strobe lights, black lights and loud music--usually help one to "pick up on" the more subtle aspects of LSD experiences which may otherwise be overlooked or thought insignificant.

In short: expect nothing, but embrace everything.

[Metomni]

SWIM's first LSD experience was taken with a lady friend and they dissolved one hit into a glass of water, mixed it up, and each downed half. Then they just walked around outside, talked, watched a movie, and went to bed. If SWIY is worried about their parents and other things, it may not be wise though.

[skatealex2]

swim should add that swim is a long time user and lover of marijuana and enjoys abstract things and films and music. sswim would imagine being a marijuana user for a long time should help him deal with th eexperience

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one more question swim has. is throwing up on lsd common? swim doesnt want try mushrooms mainly because of the neasua cause swim thinks that would put im in a bad mind set

[Lobsang]

one more question swim has. is throwing up on lsd common? swim doesnt want try mushrooms mainly because of the neasua cause swim thinks that would put im in a bad mind set

No it is not common at all. And as far as throwing up on mushrooms. Well yes that can happen but usually only in the beginning. It also happens with peyote. And actually with peyote some consider it part of the spiritual experience in that the person is being purged. So the throwing up with mushrooms does not ruin the expereince because it does not last that long.

[Panthers007]

Puking on Peyote, or real mescaline, is not only an acceptable reaction - but many consider it to add to the effects. It can make it stronger.

Puking on mushrooms happens, but may be a reaction to the mushroom itself. Some people can't tolerate mushrooms - whether the wall-bending variety, or the salad/pizza ones.

Puking on LSD? Never seen that one before. Becoming aware that one needs to take a crap - yes. Vomit? Never seen that one.

[Songcycle67]

SWIM always becomes acutely aware of his digestive system and sometimes experiences minor cramps, but that's very rare. The only time he's ever tried to puke on it was the first time he took a large large dose. He became so disoriented and confused/detatched so quickly that, in a complete delirium, he thought he'd been poisoned. He couldn't actually puke anything up though and after a few minutes he realized he was on LSD and laughed his ass off.

As for SWIskatealex, I'd say that his initiative in trying to find out things like this indicates his readiness. The fact that he enjoys abstract art is also a good sign that he's going to be open to the, sometimes subtle, but bizarre nature of the experience.

The only advice SWIM can give him is not to expect "cartoon psychedelia," as SWIM likes to call it. Some people expect LSD to send you into a salvador dahli painting or something, but it's really much more complex and beautiful than that. A lot of the experience is the internal becoming the external and that makes it very hard for people to explain...thus pink elephants and fairies enter into the equation. The outer world isn't transformed as much as it is "illuminated." The closed eye visuals however can become quite wonderful and bizarre.

SWIM says at higher doses, of course, the outer world becomes more of a visual feast. Floors actually moving, walls bending very realistically, the atmosphere becoming saturated with thick fog and snowflakes, etc.

If SWIY is a potsmoker SWIM would recommend that he not partake in the sacred herb until he starts peaking--if at all. Often times one can miss the euphoric bliss that encompasses one during those first few magical hours, writing it off to the heavenly plant instead.

[skatealex2]

that sounds great song cycle. swI have heard that wEed can bring on anxiety so swIm might avoid it until the comedown whenever swim ends up trying it. swim read this thing that in the 70s (maybe, dont remember) they wanted to make a test for ppl to see if they can handle lsd, swim wishes there was such a thing but swim has read alot of things calling lsd some of the best experiences of peoples lives so swIm will try to stop worrying and looking forward to the beauty of lsd.