Opinions - Legal Highs, Legal for how long

[Resurrection]

How long do you thing all of the legal highs will stay legal, or do you thing European countries will adept the American approach and will ban most of the Legal Highs?

[humdroid]

Probably till after the most dangerous drugs are banned, booze and baccy.

[Mona Lisa]

Would imagine things will tighten more and more. Analog laws will become standard internationally with zero tolerance becoming the norm...

[Resurrection]

I am really hope you are wrong.
My theory is: People will find and sell more and more legal substances, governments will give up and drugs will be free

Well, I don't think so, but here is for hoping

[Mr. Giraffe]

Due to the influence of the alcohol industry in politics (in most of the English speaking world, and very much so in Ireland), it is highly likely that popular alternative intoxicants will be targetted.

I am told by a source who should know that this is the major reason mushrooms were banned in Ireland. The guy who committed suicide was just a convenient excuse to speed up the process, but they had already successfully lobbied for customs to seize (legal) mushroom deliveries.

The problem? Profits flowing away from the alcohol industry. They won't tolerate that for long!

[Paracelsus]

How long do you thing all of the legal highs will stay legal

Legal highs are by definition legal. Legal highs don't become illegal, they just cease being legal highs.

It is expected that the ones that will become notorious (too popular) will be banned, at least in some countries, but I can't see a systematic approach to ban hundreds of psychoactive (or purportedly psychoactive) plants in the near future. But looking at how Holland included the fly agaric in its recent magic mushroom ban makes me think.

[humdroid]

Man, over the milennia has always sought to broaden his mind, and deepen his consciousness. Alcohol does the opposite. Ban or no ban, the black market still needs feeding. Addicts still need their fix, pushers still need the addicts, and cartels still need the pushers. If only booze was left legal, the death toll would be so high, that the booze industrry would lose customers via the undertaker.

[yshy24]

it is sad considering that alcohol is one of the more destructive drugs around

l8tr sk8trs!

[deargdoom]

Originally Posted by yshy24

it is sad considering that alcohol is one of the more destructive drugs around

l8tr sk8trs!

What is this misconception about alcohol?
Yes it is dangerous if taken over a long period of time and every day. But its fine in moderation.

[yshy24]

Originally Posted by deargdoom

What is this misconception about alcohol?
Yes it is dangerous if taken over a long period of time and every day. But its fine in moderation.

hey buddy, one of these days go and look up what alcohol actually does to the human body. over time it can completely destroy the mucus membrane layer around all of your vital organs as well as the terrible addiction nature it carries. i really mean this no joke. one of the most destructive drugs know, but governments sanction it because it is tradition and big buisness rolled into one. i know all of this because i am an alcoholic and taken substance abuse classes. i personally deal very well with those demons, but it is something that will always be there. it causes your cellular structure to completely change, and when something effects you like that... well... i am sure you can understand. i agree with the moderation stand point, but that can be said for almost anything.

l8tr sk8trs

[Resurrection]

I hope that governments will be honest and will not ban the legals. I really enjoy the fact that people can get high legally without breaking the law.
In my point of view laws are made to protect and to limit us.

[Spare Chaynge]

it is used as a point in most peoples cases of why some drugs should be legal.

[Lobsang]

Well in the USA if you really study what the FDA says relative to "legal highs" it is found that they cannot be sold no matter what the molecule is. However the same molecule if not illegal may be marketed as a nutritional supplement if one is creative. For example as a "mood enhancer". This is what we are seeing with "Red Dawn" and "Red Bliss". They are marked to enhance mood or to increase energy. Not to get one high. Thus the law is bypassed. And Red Dawn is extremely powerful stuff as it contains DXM or an approximation of. But it is not sole to get one high.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

The problem with alcohol is that it is for the most part trash.In my life the nastiest,most ignorant,closeminded,violent,and all around unpleasant people have been alcoholics.For some reason most the alcoholics I know are also the most vocal defenders of prohibition and the war on drugs.

[humdroid]

Originally Posted by Orchid_Suspiria

The problem with alcohol is that it is for the most part trash.In my life the nastiest,most ignorant,closeminded,violent,and all around unpleasant people have been alcoholics.For some reason most the alcoholics I know are also the most vocal defenders of prohibition and the war on drugs.

As much as SWIM like alcohol, SWIM agree it is a dark drug.
This is why it's still legal.
Of course it brings about the worst in people, enough booze and the nicest person becomes a tw*t. Variables do apply though.
SWIM a "one-or-two" drinks type of person, but had a problem where SWIM drank daily for ten or more years - this was years ago though.
The urge for a drink is really strong, yet there is no reward, this is what puzzles SWIM about alcohol.
Many an eagerly anticipated night out has ended in anti-climax and bad memories for SWIM on alcohol, but those who decide what's legal know this, as it's exactly what they want.
To genereate as much fear in the air as possible, to have as many places as possible with bad atmospheres in, because they are full of people in bad moods, or with un-acknowledged bad feelings.
The energy created from masses of pissed off people is very powerful, and is, without sounding like a looney from the raving loony party, is exactly what the leaders are aiming for.
Why do we have schools? wage slavery? TV? Why are insight and wisdom enhancing plants sanctioned? etc etc.....

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SWIM has one question, may sound daft, but is real.
SWIMs often wondered why drugs like speed is illegal. Speed is mind numbing and abuse prone, it is also a fear and anger amplifier (when it runs out, or when over abused)
SWIM knows why coke and heroin (also mind numbing) are illegal, because of political and revenue reasons.
But what of speed? that could add more fear to the fear furnace the world rulers are building and stoking.

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

I hope that governments will be honest and will not ban the legals. I really enjoy the fact that people can get high legally without breaking the law.
In my point of view laws are made to protect and to limit us.

SWIM is also a respecter of the genuine law.
SWIM cannot appreciate enough, the fact that they can buy things and not feel they are committing a crime.

[Tony Williams]

The obvoius two legal drugs, Alcohol and Nicotine are here to stay. I do think some legal highs out there (kratom, MG/HWBR, SALVIA, BZP and all the others) are at some risk.

I think Salvia is at such high risk as it's used wrongly and videos are made on Youtube of people getting messed up. It hits the media and at some point the goverment will say 'enough' and just ban it.

I say, if you wanna try it, then do so before it's illegal or not-legal.

[Lobsang]

Well like I said in another post. It is simple to show how deadly alcohol is. Just look at the state of Alaska. There is such an alcohol problem that the state gives the right to any town to make it illegal. And a lot do. A lot of native villages and towns. Because they know full well that it can cause so much damage.

Now like in Juneau down town there are a string of bars. There are a lot of drunks. So many that they use to have a van called the "silver bullet" that functioned to pick up drunks and take them to rehab. Now at the same time as this happens marijuana is legal in the state. But yet there is no problem caused by it. And in the towns where alcohol is illegal marijuana is legal. So that should tell a person something.