Mind Games

[hippie_lain]

I have had BAD experiences with friedns involed in some type of mind games. Its like psycosymatic warfare. This shit fucked up my life and Im trying to understand what happened to me. Does anyone have experiences with DEEP mind games? I dont hang out with them sense i found out i wasnt crazy and they were fucking with me. Welll it seems to be around drugs, meth more than others.

[OneDiaDem]

Sounding like you need a new group of friends. I dont have time for games, nor do I tolerate them from people who are supposed to be a friend. Sometimes if they are good, I can be had. Been awhile tho, and a big reason I dont let very many people into my personal life anymore..</font>

[enquirewithin]

I remember mind games and amphetamines-- I think that is is part of the
amphetemine mentality? Perhaps if you give up the meth, the mind games
ideas will stop also.

[RoboCop]

Can you give some examples of these "mind games"?

[enquirewithin]

It was a long time ago now, but I recall thinking that I was playing
mind games with people. Sometimes I used to brood over what people had
said and find connections between things that they said and things I
had read or even seen on TV. After long speed binges I would start
getting very special ideas about thought control and stuff. People
could very easily trigger a paranoid reaction by saying something which
I would normally find ordinary. I sometimes used to think about ideas
like curses, even telepathy. My life was full of apparent
synchronicities (meaningfu</span>l
coincidences), which I would get excited about at the time, but in
retrospect it was all an aspect of amphetamine psychosis, from which I
suppose I learned a lot, but do not wish to repeat.



I think you have the right idea though-- avoid those people who are
giving you this negative feeling. Maybe (I am not to say) you would be
better stopping expeimenting with meth.

[William_Again]

What kind of mind games are you refeering to, give some examples?



I have had friends try to rip me off when it comes to drugs and they
then try to play 'mind games' and cheat/lie/scam their way out of it,
fuck me up and turn things/words around...friends and drugs do not mix,
it can only lead downward.

[brooklyn718]

Then they werent your friends. These mind games your refering to are only advanced forms of manipulation. Strong minds can detect this, these people have personality types that statistically end up dead or in jail before their early 20's, I went through this and I met many of these people, while they might seem exciting and importaint and even seem like they care about you, a psychologist would call them actors who lack integrity, IE they need eachother to feel "ok" about themselves, and they surround people around them who they can trat nice for a little bit and then manipulate and cheat them not for any other reason than making themselves feel good. Sad thing is they dont realize this pattern, it is destructive, and is at its worse at the latter teen years (15-18) the teen years are difficult enough but those who realize these things and make it to there 20's have nothing to worry about

[RoboCop]

"friends and drugs do not mix, it can only lead downward."

Thats not true for most drugs. Meth and friends usually don't mix, meth changes people.

[William_Again]

Ummm you guys are reading a bit to much into this, what I meant by it
is that I personally have had friends (and they are friends, people who
I have known for 10, 15 years and truly love with all my heart) they
have done silly things like stolen pot from me, sold me incorrect
amounts of pot and shrooms, taken money and "forgotten" to score for
me. I find that use doing drugs together is ok, but buying and selling
with each other is different...I would rather trust a stranger off the
street when it comes to buying than them...yes that says something
about my friends, but outside of drugs they are fantastic people who I
would die for. But I do think that friends/partners/couples, etc...who immerse</span> themselves into a drug lifestyle</span>
together will only travel downward, they get high, get close, get
addicted, soon they forget that they are friends and only care about
the drugs.

[brooklyn718]

Im sure you know people for 10 years also that do not cheat you, right? What about all the other cheats out there, dont you think someone knew them for 10 or 15 years? There is a large group of people with these personality types, and as ive said before the statistics arnt good for them, the sooner you realize this the sooner you will move on, and the further you will be.

[brooklyn718]

Sorry for the double post, but i need to say this, if you know your freinds before they hit puberty, well, didnt you see them acting different after puberty? They say that age is difficult for a reason, it is widleyy agreed that the proccess of puberty is one of the most difficult to go throught, it is because you are still very young, and your minds have not developed corectly yet. Ive known people for years who were great did good in school, my family loved them, thenafter they werer 14 or so, these people had less problems than me family wise, but what killed them was puberty, they denied it, only a few that survived live today to say that puberty was very hard for them. After that whole stage is over, these people are more like the way they were when we were kids. But many others stayed in this frame of mind and either died or went to jail.
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[sands of time]

At a young age I had a friend who I would hang out with on the weekends. He was cool and we had good times but he had a problem. He stole to support a pot habbit. Someone who feels they must steal to support A POT HABBIT is not a good person. Once he stole 100 dollars, and thats a huge amount of money at the age of 15. I knew he did it and told him but eventually I was weak and forgave him. He did this to many people, however, and found himself in alot of trouble. I saw him through hard times, including rehab and family issues. He even stole from his grandma. Eventually after failing a drug test while on probation, he ran off to some place out west and I have not seen him since. I learned the hard way that it's important to find good people. Just remember, good people associate with good people, bad people associate with bad people. When good people associate with bad people, the bad ones will take advantage of the good ones.

[Baci]

I think money is the main culprit in many betrayals (sp?) of friendship. It doesn't have to be drug related, either.


It happened to me w/ a very goodfriend that I had known a long time, and trusted alot. We went halves on a car to try and flip it for a small profit. Long story short he ended up getting fucked trying to screw me out of some money for registration (like 120 bucks!?). Anyway things went bad and we haven't talked since, 4 years now.


But drugs do make it alot easier to screw people out of some $'s. I've got ripped off a few times before, I guess it comes w/ the territory.

[dr ACE]

a bit off topic but supposedly hitler was a meth head explains allot.hope things work out for you, just dont take things too seriously if your starting to get really paranoid then maybe its time totry something new Edited by: dr ACE

[William_Again]

Yes, Hitler liked meth a lot...but even without it I am sure he was still as nutty and fucked-up.

[P!MPJU!C3]

Hitler was gay. I know because many reliable sources have told me. Meth I havent heard though. Im sure its true though. But he must be a hermaphrodite aswell.

Aight,

Mindgames? Yeah I know that. The weak go down, a game 4 the strong and the sick. Only to be played with people of the same IQ and social skills or higher. Otherwise it isnt fair in my opinion. i know mindgames, i like playing them. I like people beating me at these games 2. This is because mindgames should be played as games with good sprortsmanship. I like the part when u can really mix people up by pitching their own words at them at a high speed untill they find themselfs stuck in a web of their own nonsense, not knowing how to get out. The cheating part is not part of the game the way I play it.

About friends. Friends are good. I have known a group of friends my entire life and we all help each other in rough times. One of my best friends forgot the cardinal rule of dealing:"Dont use ur own stuff." Our bounds of friendship didnt detiriate. When he felt like kicking. He came 2 my place 4 a few days and kicked. As simple as that. I have never cheated or stolen from a friend of mine. That is below me.

P!MPJU!C3

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by William_Again

Yes, Hitler liked meth a lot...but even without it I am sure he was still as nutty and fucked-up.

Curious idea-- I can't find any references to Hitler being addicted to meth (or benzedrine) although soldiers in all the major armies in WW2 seem to have been fueled by amphetamines.


Goebbels was addicted to morphine (this seems to be common knowledge). There is article here about War and Drugs but I couldn't vouch for its accuracy:


http://www.monochrom.at/cracked/comments/warndrugs.htm

[enquirewithin]

I take that back-- there are numerous references to Hiltler having daily methamphetamine injections. John F. Kennedy has even been accused of the same.

Just so everyone here knows, Ive only smoked meth around 10-15 times. My old friends all did it but never told me and I meat some bums that smoked LOTS otf meth andwere extremely good at it, they called it pycosamtic warfare. It seems onediadem, pimpjuice, andbrooklyn havea better understanding of what Im talking about. My problem is that Im very smart(around 149 IQ, i think that is how they were able to mess with me so easily) so i sense when they are playing these "games" with me or are trying to manipulate me and so they think I now how to play this stupid fucking shit, i hate it so much. These games can give you so much axniety it fucks up your life. They can also make you extremely paranoid, scitzo even, among many other things. Im so confused, my old friends were good and tryed to guess my every move and give me anxeity and make me paranoided by telling me "empty lies".Ive picked up so muchabout these games, i know everything and yet nothing at the same time. I think my old friends broke the rules. The bums told me the "physical" aspect of the game is only for entertainment. They said in prison people take this shit to a whole new level.The bums told me there are threestages. 1 is entertanment. 2 peoples feelings get hurt. 3 people dieor go to jail or commite suicide. I think ive been on 3 for a while. Now i have a new group of friends but they ALL are into the same shit and i think they are even more talented then my old friendsbut are better friends and watch out for me(they help me breathe?!?!?!)I think even my family nows about it. It seems to follow me around(Im only 18). Im so confused, these people think i know about it and expect me to "battle" them and i dont know how and dont really want to learn but it seems i have no choice. I think these games can even mess with your lungs and youre gastrial track. I now i must sound insane but I really not. If you have heard the new green day...Im St. Jimmy. Someone help me out here, shed some light on these "games" before "its to late"- to quote green day. I cant live my life not knowing anymore, i need help understanding. Please PM me or just post.

[enquirewithin]

Can I ask you a question? Are you taking meth regularily at present?

[hippie_lain]

No Im not. I havent done meth for around 4 months. Part of the game was to make me paranoided so some things Im sure Im dead wrong about. Thats why I posted, i want to learn more.

[enquirewithin]

For me, when I stopped taking speed, I mostly stopped being
so worried about my friends screwing my head up. They did play games with me, but,
in retrospect, I know they were just being assholes really, not anything very
special. The people I knew who took speed were certainly very fond of playing
mind games-- basically making each other paranoid. (I never see any of them any
more.)



You have a higher IQ than me-- maybe this makes you more sensitive. People do
always try to manipulate each other as a part of everyday human life (my
girlfriend is always trying to manipulate me!)



I think that the mind games are not really that important, that you attach too
much importance to them. The more you think about it, the deeper you get into
paranoia.




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[sunyata]

Is this common among tweakers? I mean, most people play some kind of game, but they do it without being aware of it. The way you describe it it sounds like tweakers do it deliberately, what the fuck is that about? If I am to give any advice on this it would be to stay the hell away from these kind of people, don't play their games. If they behave in this way they are not your friends.

[hippie_lain]

Thanks for the advice enquirewithin maby you are right. I have tried to ingore it but it seems to follow me. Even my family knows about it.

[sands of time]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

I take that back-- there are numerous references to Hiltler having daily methamphetamine injections. John F. Kennedy has even been accused of the same.

I watched a few shows that explained the use of amphetamines by both Hitler and Kennedy. In both cases, they were not informed of what was being pumped into them at first. With Hitler, his personal doctor was starting him off with basic amphetamines, then he moved him on to meth. With Kennedy, he had a great deal of back pain so he was being given opiates. Later, in a controversial move, his personal doctor began injecting him with amphetamine for no clear medical reason. This resulted in the doctor loosing the rights to perscribe things for Kennedy. After Kennedy's brother told Kennedy what he was being injected with, Kennedy said, " I don't care if they are injecting me with horse piss, if it makes me feel better than fine." Something along those lines anyways. You must understand, Kennedy was in serious pain throughout his presidency. How he managed to perform with his back conditions is clearly amazing.