Combinations - Vyvanse and Ecstasy comedown Questions

[VashYsk]

1.How do you say it? I can't figure it out to save my life. I can't even begin to sound it out


2. SWIM bought some Vyvanse off of his friend last night because SWIM's adderall script wasn't up for refill for a week and he had only 3 Adderall left. SWIM bought 10 and ended up taking E that day/night. Later SWIM was going to take an Adderall to bring his roll back up a bit and then level him out when he comes down and his friend said to take 2 70mg Vyvanse instead and it would be better and he would have an easier comedown off of it. SWIM did so but also took 2 free 70mg Prozac from a friend. SWIM just wants to know if SWIY has tried taking Vyvanse after a roll to combat the comedown like Adderall and how are the effects compared to taking adderall after a roll?

3.SWIM can sleep on anything. Peaking on E SWIM has fallen asleep and if you know how itense peaking on E is you know its hard just because of the intensity of a Peak not just because of the amphetamines in x and because x is an amphetamine. The other night when SWIM's adderall wore off SWIM was hyper and did some Coke to calm SWIM down enough to go to bed. Went to bed about 10 mins after some lines. Well SWIM planned on going to bed as soon as he got home last night at 1 30 but things came up and SWIM didn't get a chance to try and sleep until 5 AM. SWIM couldn't sleep to save his life and here SWIM is 24+ hours without sleep and I feel like I just woke up from a 12 hour nap and normally when SWIM stays awake 24 hours straight he will pass out by the 25th hour. But SWIM wanted to know if maybe it was from the Vyvanse(SWIM's friend said it was easier to sleep on than Adderall can anyone confirm this?) or maybe the Prozac?(never done prozac before and all I knew going into it was it was like the meth of antidepressants)

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Originally Posted by VashYsk

1.How do you say it? I can't figure it out to save my life. I can't even begin to sound it out

Vyvanse? vī-vāns (where ī sounds like "eye" and ā sounds like the emboldened part of "hand").

Originally Posted by VashYsk

SWIM bought some Vyvanse off of his friend last night because SWIM's adderall script wasn't up for refill for a week and he had only 3 Adderall left. SWIM bought 10 and ended up taking E that day/night. Later SWIM was going to take an Adderall to bring his roll back up a bit and then level him out when he comes down and his friend said to take 2 70mg Vyvanse instead and it would be better and he would have an easier comedown off of it. SWIM did so but also took 2 free 70mg Prozac from a friend. SWIM just wants to know if SWIY has tried taking Vyvanse after a roll to combat the comedown like Adderall and how are the effects compared to taking adderall after a roll?

I can't help you with this question, but I wanted to say: 140mg of Prozac?? And SWIY is unprescribed (does not take it regularly?)?? No wonder SWIY reported feeling sick in the other thread.

Originally Posted by VashYsk

3.SWIM can sleep on anything. Peaking on E SWIM has fallen asleep and if you know how itense peaking on E is you know its hard just because of the intensity of a Peak not just because of the amphetamines in x and because x is an amphetamine. The other night when SWIM's adderall wore off SWIM was hyper and did some Coke to calm SWIM down enough to go to bed. Went to bed about 10 mins after some lines.

Cocaine as a sleeping aid? Is this common when mixing it with MDMA or something?

Originally Posted by VashYsk

Well SWIM planned on going to bed as soon as he got home last night at 1 30 but things came up and SWIM didn't get a chance to try and sleep until 5 AM. SWIM couldn't sleep to save his life and here SWIM is 24+ hours without sleep and I feel like I just woke up from a 12 hour nap and normally when SWIM stays awake 24 hours straight he will pass out by the 25th hour. But SWIM wanted to know if maybe it was from the Vyvanse(SWIM's friend said it was easier to sleep on than Adderall can anyone confirm this?) or maybe the Prozac?

It's hard to say, I would say it's probably a little easier to sleep with Vyvanse than Adderall, unless maybe crashing/coming down from Adderall... That's also supposing that Vyvanse is taken at a reasonable time...

I know I had extra trouble sleeping when I was on Prozac, though some people find Prozac causes drowsiness. Maybe SWIY should try using these things separately (well, I understand SSRI's like prozac are taken to combat a hangover from MDMA? I'm not sure how effective that is and what an effective dose would be, I'd imagine it'd be closer to the starting doses for someone who has never taken it, but other than that, there's really no reason for SWIY to take Prozac, SWIY should not get any recreational value from it, but instead discomfort, nausea, dizziness, dry mouth, etc)

Originally Posted by VashYsk

(never done prozac before and all I knew going into it was it was like the meth of antidepressants)

who told you that!?

[VashYsk]

I can't help you with this question, but I wanted to say: 140mg of Prozac?? And SWIY is unprescribed (does not take it regularly?)?? No wonder SWIY reported feeling sick in the other thread.

It was SWIM's first time taking Prozac and SWIM realizes it was from that and not so much the Vyvanse. No SWIM isn't prescribed.

Cocaine as a sleeping aid? Is this common when mixing it with MDMA or something?

lol no. SWIM was just giving an example to show no stimulant keeps SWIM up. It is easy for SWIM to sleep on anything and SWIM was saying Adderall and Cocaine actually help SWIM sleep a little because it makes SWIM calm with the way it affects him.

It's hard to say, I would say it's probably a little easier to sleep with Vyvanse than Adderall, unless maybe crashing/coming down from Adderall... That's also supposing that Vyvanse is taken at a reasonable time...

I know I had extra trouble sleeping when I was on Prozac, though some people find Prozac causes drowsiness. Maybe SWIY should try using these things separately (well, I understand SSRI's like prozac are taken to combat a hangover from MDMA? I'm not sure how effective that is and what an effective dose would be, I'd imagine it'd be closer to the starting doses for someone who has never taken it, but other than that, there's really no reason for SWIY to take Prozac, SWIY should not get any recreational value from it, but instead discomfort, nausea, dizziness, dry mouth, etc)

SWIM did read up on Prozac and a small amount of test subjects did experience insomnia. SWIM has heard of SSRI's being used to combat the MDMA comedown/hangover but SWIM had never taken an SSRI until that night. Since then SWIM has taken Prozac and just felt slightly happier. SWIM did experience slight nausea.

who told you that!?

well when I say meth of antidepressants I mean. Meth is a hardcore extremely strong stimulant and Prozac is a really strong SSRI. Basically like its the strongest/best working SSRI.

SWIM has had a chance to try Vyvanse and Prozac since then separately

Prozac SWIM won't do again. Its not really that fun.
Vyvanse does cure SWIM's but SWIM does find it less effective than Adderall in some ways and gives SWIM some bad side effects he doesn't like.

SWIM's doctor is trying to put him on Vyvanse or Concerta since he thinks SWIM has never taken either. SWIM's mom went to get his Adderall refill script and talk to him about Dexedrine as an alternative to Adderall(SWIM is 18 and could have gone himself SWIM just doesn't like to wake up before noon , so don't think SWIM is breaking forum rules). He started talking about both to her :/. SWIM told his mom he has taken both and received bad side effects from both, if SWIM's doctor tries prescribe him either to see how it works with SWIM, SWIM will die.

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Originally Posted by VashYsk

well when I say meth of antidepressants I mean. Meth is a hardcore extremely strong stimulant and Prozac is a really strong SSRI. Basically like its the strongest/best working SSRI.

I'm not sure how true that is, especially considering that any SSRI medication will be administered at doses to achieve overall a similar efficacy...

but even so, I don't understand: what was the incentive to take an SSRI recreationally, especially a potent one??

[VashYsk]

Well SWIM's incentive was to see how it would interact when he had comedown off of Ecstasy. SWIM from experience and from many friends knows that when you take adderall during the comedown, when you have completely comedown, or even early the day after it brings your ecstasy high back only a little weaker but your comedown isn't nearly as bad. And SWIM wanted to see if an SSRI would have any effect on that

[Hollow Hippie]

Swiy eating random pills for unknown effects = no no. People die from irresponsible poly drug use and it gives more fuel for anti-drug bullshit against drug users cause it just adds an unnesseary death statistic that actually wasn't a result from one drug. Not to be harsh or anything. And taking an SSRI to lessen MDMA crash seems odd. Doesn't MDMA have more seritonin actions then what SSRI's have on the seritonin transporters, and couldn't this increase risk of seritonin syndrome which from SWIM's personal experience is extremely uncomfortable.

[GForce]

I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure you're right about MDMA having more action on serotonin. As I understood it, MDMA pretty much just dumps all your serotonin into the synapses by reversing the pump that normally removes it, creating high interneural serotonin levels with a pump that is being inhibited AND reversed. MDMA is believed to have a method of action almost entirely based on serotonin transporters (SERTs), while SSRIs are just that, reuptake inhibitors. I don't think they're nearly as strong or reverse the absoption transporters. But taking an SSRI to lessen an MDMA crash seems almost counter-intuitive. It may smooth out the whole come-down, but what you inevitably want is for the "pumps" to be functioning properly so your body can act normally and produce more serotonin to replace what was lost while rolling. If someone was to take a SSRI after MDMA they'd be making it more difficult for their body to re-"stockpile" the 5-HT. MDMA also induces the release of norepinephrine and doapmine. The only reason I mention this is because I would imagine a similar effect as what I described if someone took a SNRI to ease the comedown, just with a different neurotransmitter.