Overdosed On Drugs During Sex !!!

[TOXIN]

Hey all im about to share with you SWIMS tragic story, but a word of warning... if you prefer to believe that ignorance is bliss then do not read on as this story is a downer and could change the way people feel about drugs.

SWIM feels it important to share his story to show others the darker side to drugs that exists and in the hope that others will be more careful.

SWIM was a raver lost in the world of partying and drugs, he made a habit of going out every weekend to parties and indulging in a smorgosboard of powders, pills and other earthly delights. SWIMS favourite activity in life was to get high and dance for an excess of 8 hours and then followed by going back home with a friend for hardcore sex that also lasted for many hours.

SWIM kept this behaviour up for 6 years without any consideration for his body or well being believing that something that feels so good could not be harmful and oblivious to the life changing experience awaiting him.

One day SWIM was a few hours into sex after consuming a coctail of ecstacy and pure meth when suddenly he felt something had gone horribly wrong. This was a new sensation for SWIM as he had never faced extreme hyperthermia and such rapid out of control heartrates before or felt this close to death. SWIM went numb all over and began to feel pins and needles through out his whole body along with confusion. SWIMs partner also became scared at the amount of heat rising out of SWIMS body and immedeatly SWIM ran to the bathroom and jumped under a cold shower. SWIM was so overheated even the cold water did nothing for him, SWIM continued to get worse and the paramedics were called. SWIM was treated at the hospital with ice packs and wet soaked sheets and medications, SWIM experienced blackouts was told later that his temperature had reached 41.c.

Following recovery from hospital SWIM was unable to move around due to chest pains and other symptoms and after seeng many specialists SWIM was finally diagnosed with Autonomic Dysfunction (Dysautonomia) which is a neurological condition that was triggered by the overdose. SWIM also found it odd that he had now developed a chemical sensitivity and allergic reactions to ALL pyschoactive and recreational drugs immideately following his overdose, SO swim is now left with a highly unusal response to drugs and medications and is unable to tolerate any painkillers that he desperately needs need for a recent chronic pain problem.

SWIM now lives a disabled and continues to overheat everyday as the temperature regulation in his brain is messed up along with his digestion, heart rates, breathing, sexual function, inability to sweat and severe chemical sensitivities. SWIM now deply regrets his past drug use that has now left him with a permanent injury and hopes that at least he can be an example to others on what drugs can do.

SWIM would also like to add that it has now been 8 years since his overdose but there has been no improvement in his constant overheating and his neurological condition, SWIM is still unable to take pain medication for chronic pain or any other pychotropics due to an allergic reactions he has been left with to these substances. SWIM has been told by his specialists that he is now stuck with a life long illness that has no cure. SWIM feels so down and alone in his unlucky fate and hopes to meet others who have faced similar issues in the hope to better understand the terrible outcome he has suffered.

PS> SWIM is still looking for Dr. House

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	thank you for sharing this. Please add any info you feel supplements this. Although not many have replied yet, I can see...
	Great Post. You will feel better over time..
	A sad, but needed cautionary tale. Thank you for sharing and hope you heal in time.
	Scary story, I'd rather live without drugs than have that happen to me.

[Alfa]

Can you tell us more on how SWIY's drug use has lead to Autonomic Dysfunction? I mean there are many who party hard for years, but we do not often hear of Autonomic Dysfunction.

[TOXIN]

SWIM is also baffled by the fact that others have partied just as hard as him and still not faced the same outcome as SWIM, but SWIM should point out it wasnt SWIMS drug use alone that cause this condition but but more so the overdose that initially triggered the autonomic dysfunction.

Since then SWIM has seen world renowned professors in the field of Dysautonomia who have stated to him that one of the causes for the condition is toxic exposure to chemicals. SWIM has been told that Dysautonomia has been seen in people living near farms where pecticides have been used on crops and aslo in soldiers who have have been exposed to chemical during the gulf war, but in SWIMS case the chemicals from the recreational drugs were the only cause.

SWIM also forgot to mention that weeks after his release from hospital swim cautiously tried a minute amount of speed believeing that he had recovered but to his shock SWIM experienced an instant hyperthermic response where he had to once again go under a cold shower. Unable to accept that his love for drugs had come to an end SWIM tried several more times to be able to take drugs after that by taking small amounts and spending his high under a cold shower to combat the allergic reaction he had now developed following the first initial overdose. So SWIM believes he was left with a allergic type reaction to drugs following the incidence and SWIMs attempts to ignore this by looking for loopholes and using minute amounts only exagguarted his condition into a full blown Autonomic Dysfunction. To this day SWIM still has issue with sex as his autonomic nervous system has become unstable as it makes him feel sick and causes him muscular spasms and further overheating during any sexual arousal or activity. SWIM believes he has permanently messed up areas of his brain that control sex and temperature.

SWIM is certain the key elements to working out his puzzling condition lies in understanding the links between the brains function on sex, temperature, overdose and continuing to mess around with ones body after it develops an allergic reaction to a substance by taking minute doses played an important role. SWIM believe he stumbled on to a formula for disaster and perhaps if SWIM had stopped the first time after his overdose instead of further playing with himself he might have recovered instead of breaking himself beyond repair.

[Panthers007]

It appears we have something at play here other than the known substances (assumed) that SWIM had on board. My first thought, due to dramatic temperature spike, was PMA. But this looks more like something else.

Did SWIM get a full toxicological-screen in hospital? If so, a copy of this would be very much appreciated. Removing all identifiable material first of course. Is does sound very similar to what has been called "Gulf War Syndrome" regards the symptomology. Especially exposure to Pyridostigmine bromide - an alleged antidote for future exposure to nerve-agents such as Sarin and VX. This sensitized returning soldiers to even the slightest exposure to common agricultural insecticides. So a walk through the produce aisle of a supermarket could land one in hospital.

There is more to this story than MDMA and meth.

SWIM should certainly avoid any/all things that trigger this response. But I'd like to know where the chemicals SWIM was exposed to actually came from.

[TOXIN]

SWIM would love to believe there were other factors involved than the drugs but SWIM cannot ignore the fact that SWIM was healthy all his life until the day of his overdose and was able to use drugs for 6 years on a weekend basis without any incidence but the suddenly overnight following his overdose he was suddenly faced with a bunch of symptoms and found that he could no longer take any recreational substances without experincing a allergic type reaction. SWIM cannot ignore that SWIM instantly developed symptoms on the day of his overdose and saw a worsening of his condition each time he re-trialed and experienced the same allergic reaction. SWIM believes in coincidences but not to the extent where the effects have been so evidently cause and effect. SWIM has not had any other contact with other type of chemicals other than the drugs he had taken and all of SWIMS other family members that he lives with are in perfect health.

SWIM was not aware at the time to ask for a toxicological-screen an is unsure if it was done but will ring up the hospital to find out but SWIM doubts any records will still be present from 8 years ago.

SWIM is impressed at Panthers knowledge of Gulf War Syndrome as SWIM is also aware of the condition. But SWIM assures everyone that without doubt and uttermost certainty that the appearnce and the development of his condition coincided with exactly whilst he was high and experincing the allergic reaction and the following the day of his initial overdose described. So maybe SWIMS initial meth or pills were dodgy but SWIM had previously used the same batch of pure meth without incidence and it was just clean solid rock, SWIM remebers his pills were green apples with the apple computer logo that his friends had also tried and enjoyed and SWIM was feeling a nice high from them right up until his overdose and several weeks later swim tested a new batch of his meth and pills to avoid a reoccurance but they came out clean and when SWIM took a minute dose he still experinced an allergic reaction and hyperthermia.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by TOXIN

when SWIM took a minute dose he still experinced an allergic reaction and hyperthermia.

Same batch?

[Lobsang]

That is too bad. I would strongly recomment that SWIM see a good chiropractor. Often their work on the spine can have great normalizing effects on neurological problems involving the autonomic nervous system. Even if the etiology was related to a drug.

[TOXIN]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Same batch?

No SWIM tried new batches believeing that perhaps the previous ones may have been responsible for his bad outcome but regardless what batch SWIM tried he still had the same allergic response it now seemed that SWIMS body no longer tolerated any sort of recreationaal type chemicals following his initial overdose.

Originally Posted by Lobsang

I would strongly recomment that SWIM see a good chiropractor.

SWIM thanks you for the advice but in the 8 years SWIM has seeked out many physicians in a desperate attemp to recover and seen, endocrinoligists, neurologists, autonomic and hypertension specialists, naturapaths, cardiologists and a chiropractor. SWIM has had many tests including specific ones to determine Autonomic Dysfunction one which included a gene test that found that in patients with autonomic dysfunction the condition causes genetic changes over time by hypermethylation of the norepinephrine transporter (NET) gene which was also found to be the case with SWIM.

SWIM realises his case isnt very common and thanks you all for your understanding and open mind and asures you everything he has said is genuine.

[Dickon]

TOXIN -thank you for sharing. I'm sure I speak for everyone in believing every word you say. It would be futile for me as a non-medic to try and get to the core of the medical problem especially when you have seen an army of experts who have examined you in the flesh and none seem to have helped.

So, I am going to propose something from leftfield in my incarnation as a mathematician, this is purely hypothetical, probably wrong and at best won't help with a cure but might provide a putative partial explanation.

I am not an expert in the area of mathematics called catastrophe theory, and we don't need to know anything other than the broad idea. Imagine snow flakes dropping on a mountain. One day one snowflake will come allong and cause an avalanche. The snowflake was not special it was just "the last straw that broke the camal's back". The human body is essentially a homeostasis machine, and within a range of parameters is very good at restoring itself to it's old healthy self. But there are of course limits, a lethal overdose for instance. Now let's imagine that you have an axis where some paramater can vary between 0 and 1, but if it goes over 1 a catastrophic irreperable reaction might occur. So let's say your extreme drug use on any-one-day pushes a usual 0 to a 0.5 but because the homeostasis is not quite perfect, it returns to 0.01 the next day. You won't notice a problem because any value between 0 and 1 is "safe". Assuming you then have another extreme-drug-use-day you push the value to 0.51 and it returns to 0.02. You see where I'm going with this. It's like a car, if you tip it on to it's left wheels it will usually just drop back down, but there's a critical point at which it no longer does this and tips on it's back. So your drug use could be something like this, and that final time was just like lifting the wheels that bit too high. Crunch there goes that car. I think 8-hours of dancing/sex is very likely to serious deplete electolytes, and be partially responsible. This is total guesswork, but maybe there's some sort of explanation along similar lines.

Just a thought. I can only hope somehow you get some relief sometime.

Dickon

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[TOXIN]

Hi Dickon, thank you for posting.

I agree with you SWIM may have pushed it too far but SWIM also has other friends who push it too far by using recreational drugs too often but none of them developed the complications SWIM has, so therefore SWIM believes there was other factors involved along with the drugs which lead to SWIM stumbling upon a recipe /formula to disaster.

SWIM also forgot to mention that the first thing he noticed after survivng his overdose is that he had immedeately now and ironically developed an allergic type reactions to all pscyhoactive substances and medications which he had previously been able to use prior to the overdose without any issues.

Even 8 years later SWIM is still unable to take painkillers for detereoration in his joints because he has adverse reactions to ALL the different class of opioid and pyschotropic pain medication he has tried. SWIM's drug induced hyperthermia has broken something in his body that has left him with a Nerological illness, chemical hypersensitivity and and very disturbing odd symptoms. SWIM is in desperate need of Dr. House.

Swim believes you are correct in guessing one of the ingredients in his disastreous formula.... Swim believes the active ingredients in his formula are a ....mixture of long term drug use with long term depletion of electrolytes through excessive dancing and sex whilst high, add a touch of long term elevated body temperature along with a history of childhood illnesses some genetic some immune with long term antibiotic use, mix that with sleep deprevation through working a night shift job in a hazardeous environment with plastic fumes, then use a combination of recreational drugs (some pure some not) whilst engaging in sexual activity allowing hyperthermia to set in whilst the brain is aroused from the hormones released from the sex. After surviving overdose and hyperthermia wait 1 week before you try a tiny amount of recreational drugs once again, you should now have yourself some sort of allergic reaction to these drugs due to the initial damage to the axon and neurons in the hypothalamus that are involved in thermoregulation. Now push and tamper with that allergic reaction a few more times untill you hear the snap that damages your autonomic functions causing a full blown Neurological illness known as Autonomic Dysfunction. Then you have yourself one complicated, nasty, frustrating, messy illness that will baffle all the specialists out there.

Note: If you take any of the factors out from the equation the final same catastrophic result may not be achieved.

Of course SWIM dosent recommend anyone try this out but hopes his formula gives a bit more insight into his situation.

[bushidobadboy]

Has SWIY considered investigating nootopics with a view to normalising CNS function?

Some nootropics can actually reverse some types of neurological degeneration though admittedly SWIM has not heard much mention of dysautonomia, despite studying as a chiropractor for 4 years and having a thirst for learning about the human body in sickness and in health.

[Evil GIR]

Its possible that you may have acute renal failure or acute brain damage because of the high temperatures the drugs put your body through. I guess you could mix in a psychological reaction as the mind is a powerful thing and can manifest very relay physical responses. Then we have the idea that your body has simply had enough and declared those drugs responsible as a toxin and so has created an allergic reaction to them. I guess you really should take a break from all meds, eat healhty ger lots of exercise and let your body/mind recover.

[bushidobadboy]

Originally Posted by Evil GIR

Its possible that you may have acute renal failure or acute brain damage because of the high temperatures the drugs put your body through. I guess you could mix in a psychological reaction as the mind is a powerful thing and can manifest very relay physical responses. Then we have the idea that your body has simply had enough and declared those drugs responsible as a toxin and so has created an allergic reaction to them. I guess you really should take a break from all meds, eat healhty ger lots of exercise and let your body/mind recover.

With all due respect, this happened 8 years ago and he shows no sign of improvement. Whilst I agree that his hyperthermic emergency may well have damaged his kidneys and has in some way damaged the lower centers of his brain (most likely the hypothalamus as that is responsible for homeostasis), I very much doubt that eating healthy will affect any sort of recovery. And BTW it is a chronic condition that he has, not an acute one, since chronicity is a function of time. At the time it occured, it would have been acute (8 years ago), but the cutoff between acute Vs chronic is usually around the 6-8 week mark.

Also, how do you suggest he exercise when it seems he has imparied autonomic control of body heat regulation? Exercise causes an elevation in metabolic rate = heat production. Do you think it safe to advise "lots of exercise" in a patient like this.

I'm sure your post was well intentioned, and I don't mean to seem antagonistic, but your simplistic advice must surely have been advocated at some point by at least one of the many medical and healthcare experts this guy has seen in his time.

I'm not saying that my own contribution was any more worthy, just that yours could have been better thought out.

BBB

[Evil GIR]

Sorry i misread and thought that the condition was brought on recently.
I was only suggesting a health option for his condition, though its true strenuous exercise should be avoided, light exercise can help as many websites suggest.

http://everything2.com/e2node/dysautonomia

Though its always advisable to talk to a doctor before hand and discuss an exercise program to suit the persons needs.

[bushidobadboy]

Originally Posted by Evil GIR

Sorry i misread and thought that the condition was brought on recently.
I was only suggesting a health option for his condition, though its true strenuous exercise should be avoided, light exercise can help as many websites suggest.

http://everything2.com/e2node/dysautonomia

Though its always advisable to talk to a doctor before hand and discuss an exercise program to suit the persons needs.

No worries. As I say, I don't mean to sound antagnonistic. I am a strong proponent of exercise, when done correctly. Unfortunately, 95% of GPs have NO idea of what constitutes a safe, effective exercise programme. I should know as I was a GP Exercise Referral Programme Consultant (how's that for a mouthful, lol). Basically getting ill people better through exercise. Most GPs that I came accross didn't even believe that exercise was something our bodies should do. Certainly, only a few of them exercised themselves.

BBB

[rastabobsledteam]

thats sucks. swim has a similar problem. maybe not as severe. But has been overheating since a possible overdose. swim is scared now, many symptons match up with your friends


any suggestions?

[Pellit]

Originally Posted by rastabobsledteam

thats sucks. swim has a similar problem. maybe not as severe. But has been overheating since a possible overdose. swim is scared now, many symptons match up with your friends


any suggestions?

I would advise SWIY to stop immediately if 'many symptoms match up' with the OP's post.

[OICU812]

A pack of Jackalopes read through the first post pretty quickly and then zoomed through the other posts scanning for the term "Serotonin syndrome", since the pack wants to stop reading since they're sooooooooo horny with their _________ goggles, but the 'lopes didn't see the term, so they decided to post this reply. These Jackalopes are not doctors and don't know much at all about this kind of stuff, but thought it might be worth mentioning, since the initial symptoms and drugs used fit.