Opinions - Speed's aftereffects

[loveswimmingxd]

first of all hello to you folks.. i'm new on these boards and hope to have a very interesting and educational time here with all of you, share our knowledge and "dreams" here's my SWIM's story..

Speed triggers the "reward system" of SWIM's brain,
thus making SWIM feel all full and confident,
while weed partially puts SWIM's brain to sleep so that
SWIM simply does not care or know if he's full or not..
Speed is much more powerful and its effects are way more useful to SWIM,
since SWIM can think and act faster, feel awake and energetic and positive, while weed makes SWIM sleepy (plus SWIM lost LOTS of weight while taking speed, lol)
but the aftereffects/consequences are way worse than a joint of marijuana.. especially the feeling of emptiness, a "hole in the heart", felt really horrible when coming off speed. (by the way he was snorting it..)
so.. is it worth it?
is there any "lighter" drug (or drug combination) that can give the same or similar effects to SWIM?
he doesn't care if the effect is less intense, as long as it isn't as physically addictive as speed or at least the come-off isnt that bad for SWIM.
Thujon (in 'Absinthe') was kinda helpful,
but SWIM doesn't feel it that much anymore.. maybe SWIM grew resistant to it :/

any alternatives out there?? any other interesting uppers?

[y0ssarianlives]

SWIM's mind has been ravaged by speed use and he will never ever touch the shit again. SWIM has, from a direct result of speed use, developed a devastating psychotic anxiety disorder, delusions of granduer, paranioa, bipolar, and social anxiety. SWIM has seriously damaged his social ability to go out in public; and is constantly tormented by feelings, thoughts, and sensations that he has been the victim of a huge plot and everyone knows SWIMS deepest and darkest secrets. SWIM misinterprets every word he hears around him, gestures, looks, ect, and has become absolutely miserable through the use of speed.

Please, if there is anyone beginning to get into speed, get out before it is too late. You will lose your mind.

[loveswimmingxd]

oh well.. SWIM hasn't been using speed for that long.. actually there has been only one incident where he did lots of lines.. and stayed awake and dancing for 5-6 days.. Berlin XD and around a person that he really loved, who has given up partying and drugs and moved from Berlin to a smaller city to live around friends. she used to always tell SWIM never buy speed from dealers, but tell her when he needs.. and he always got the very "wet" kind.. and completely white. after that "5 days awake" incident SWIM had realized he was addicted and "locked himself up" at home, drinking lots of water, taking hot showers, going out jogging later on, no alcohol, no smoking, no parties, for more than a month.. now he drinks and smokes only socially.. or does a joint when his friends do one.. and yea, sometimes, (mostly once a week) he does speed and goes dj or dance.. or have fun with his girlfriend (who is on antidepressants) who came all the way from america to live with him..

anyways.. u mean to say there's no alternative to amphetamines?
no wonder they are that popular XD

but the comedown fucks me up

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never buy speed from *random dealers

[samsa]

speed is a very tricky drug to take control of. you may find yourself only doing it once a month, and once a month turns into once a week, and once a week turns into nearly every day. make no mistakes, amphetamine psychosis is very real, but speed can be used thoughtfully if swiy has the willpower.

there are plenty of alternatives to speed, my favorite of which is good exercise. as far as substances go, you may want to make the switch to mdma, as it often provides speedy effects (not to mention is often cut with meth) and you may find it easier to keep yourself in check. check out the herbal ecstacy forum here as well, or just chat with your friendly neighborhood head shop owner. good luck.

[Panthers007]

Yossarian: Your pet monkey will recover from this situation. The old saying "Time heals all wounds" runs true with this. The psychosis will fade. Words/sentences will lose their double-meanings. The "Great Plot" will fade. Give the monkey time.

And listen to these people, folks. Amphetamine-psychosis is real and will come home to roost on anyone who abuses this class of drug. And this means you.

[loveswimmingxd]

thanks for your words folks
i think maybe i should just stay clear for some time..
when i first came to berlin (for studies, but especially for the music scene)
i went to clubs, danced my heart out, i was sooo happy, people were coming up to me saying stuff like "wooow, what stuff did u take and are happy like that?".. and i hadnt even had a single drink.. i was not always lucky with life, in fact i was very lonely and depressed when i moved to berlin.. but i never even felt tempted to try a single drug at that time..

so anyways i'll try staying addiction free, i'll let u know how it goes if u want me to

nice meeting y'all!

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and trust me even if i'm not able to get over speed i will write back..
just to be realistic and maybe to help other people with the same problem i have.. in this case i dont think it would be good to be like "oh yea i'm not addicted anymore" and be on speed while i write the lines, because it would give false hope to other people..

anyways~ i'll be back.

[HorseBucket]

Yep amphetamine psychosis is real. Swims had a taste of it himself from pushing his sleep deprivation limits too much. It had lasting aftereffects but like Panthers said it faded with time. Swim was completely back to normal after a few months. The hallucinations were gone once swim got some sleep, the slight visual distortions (seeing little shadow balls in the corner of his eye) were gone after a few days but the delusional thinking (getting a fright every time he saw a police car) took a few months to disappear completely.

[insomnizombie]

y0ssarianlives you described my experience exactly. i've been diagnosed schizophrenic but think it has more to do with swims use of meth. i still am terribly confused as to what the reality is regarding the loss of every one of my friends. it is absolute hell. every time i was around most friends i was convinced i was being.. well basically persecuted, humiliated and like you said the victim of some big joke. i cannot think of a worse hell. a couple of times i really fucken lost it and was so outraged that my best friends, people i grew up with, were doing this to me that i went into a rage and now as a result almost everyones too afraid to be around me. still when i look back it feels so real i can hardly deny it, but then i think about the fact that ive known some of these friends since childhood and it would be so out of character of them and i think about the chances that all these people would be out to get me and i think maybe its just the meth or the schizophrenia that i supposedly have. i just don't know..

[HorseBucket]

The way I see it is if you can become delusional and psychotic in a bad way you can do the opposite. It must be certain thought processes that lead you to delusional and paranoid mindsets so there must be certain thought processes that can lead you back out. I haven't looked into the medical research being done in this area but I find it hard to believe that the best solution they can come up with is quelling the symptoms with antipsychotics.

[Lethargy]

Originally Posted by HorseBucket

The way I see it is if you can become delusional and psychotic in a bad way you can do the opposite. It must be certain thought processes that lead you to delusional and paranoid mindsets so there must be certain thought processes that can lead you back out. I haven't looked into the medical research being done in this area but I find it hard to believe that the best solution they can come up with is quelling the symptoms with antipsychotics.

Well yes but also the amphetamines nudge your brain into the thought processes that produce paranoia and delusion. Medical research doesn't currently know of a reverse-amphetamine, and it takes a lot of effort and hard work to change one's own brain chemistry. No pills = no easy fix = nobody bothers.

[loveswimmingxd]

keeping a promise to write back.. swim hadnt had any speed since that last post, but took a line again last night, since he was on a party and couldnt find anything else good enough.. it almost felt like the first time swim used speed. till now swim has been trying lots of legal & prescription uppers including herbal ecstasy which wasnt that bad actually.. plus a high-mdma pill every now and then :P