Combinations - 2ce + MBDB + Methylone

[sweetsweetmary]

Ok so SWIM said he plans on taking 22 mgs of 2ce, then followed by a roll with MBDB and methylone (MX). IF SWIM takes 22mgs of 2ce then follows with roll 2 hours after ingestion (maybe 2 and a half hours) will there be any ill consequences. Sounds like SWIM is going where most don't but swim has had plenty of success with the same with mdma, and tends to enjoy this combo more. So maybe it is better? Thoughts are appreciated but not needed

[enquirewithin]

Has SWIY tried the combination of MBDB and methylone? There has been a lot of speculation about the combo, but SWIM has not read of anyone doing it. If so, can SWIY tell us more about it (dose, etc)? If not, wouldn't it be wiser to try it without 2-C-E first? SWIM is sceptical because his own experience with MBDB was not very positive. If SWIY means bk-MBDB and methylone, that combo can work well, but mixing methylone with psychedelics can be problematic because of it's short duration. Taking methylone after peaking on a psychedelic seems to work well.

Coming down from methylone/ MBDB whilst still peaking on 2-C-E which might be uncomfortable.

Sometimes new combos are great fun, sometimes plain uncomfortable.

[radiometer]

swissm has posted about a wide variety of experience with MBDB by itself and in combination. It seems that s/he has had about the same results with it that my buddy eddie and his wife did with bk-MDEA.

I'd agree with you however. 22mg 2C-E is a whopping dose by itself, man. Adding to that the sketch that starts occuring 2+ hours after methylone...? Certainly not my cup o' tea.

[sweetsweetmary]

SWIM has tried mbdb and methylone and says they are superior to mdma. Doses were a little more methylone then mbdb. MBDB tends to be a dud by itself but when mixed with methylone fire works go off. Methylone tends to have too much fiending for swim but when mixed with mbdb this tends to be eliminated. Methylone tends to have an extreme amount of dopamine release, and mbdb tends to work the serotonin. SWIM said combined (SWIM has tried it many ways like eating 200 mgs of methylone and 100 mgs of MBDB at the same time, or Snorting 50 mgs of MBDB, then snorting 50 mgs of Methylone a half hour later, then snorting 50 mgs of MBDB another half hour later). Well needless the reason SWIM wants to give this a go is simple. SWIM has had excellent success with mixing 2ce with MDMA (the mdma mixed right after the peak). Methylone and MBDB mixed together give a superior roll to MDMA, so wouldn't that make this combo with 2ce superior. Well who knows. SWIM is hoping to just not mute the hell out of the 2ce so small amounts will be taken. But when SWIM took 2ce and MDMA it extended the great body high that SWIM gets towards the end of a 2ce experience. And SWIM notes that 2ce is all fireworks for SWIM in the first 2 - 2.5 hours, then riding a wave back down, So adding the methylone and MBDB won't bring the fireworks back, but should make the wave bigger.

Here is a thread that might help with the methylone and MBDB combo, and RAdio SWIM would agree that MBDB is nothing spectacular by itself

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57210

[enquirewithin]

Seems as if SWIY has dome his homework. Good luck-- please report back.

[Panthers007]

I'd be concerned about body load from the M1 wearing off while still the monkey trembles in awe from the 2-CE. I'd ready a tub of cool water and some nice fruit-juice to imbibe. And gentle music.

Bon Voyage, Msr. Monkey.

[Metomni]

Out of curiosity what are the effects of MBDB? SWIM has never really heard of it. Is it in anyway related to MDMA? Is it a hallucinegen? Stimulant? Sleep aid? 2CE is a monster in and of itself (not monster as in bad, but as in very powerful) and SWIM is curious what effects MBDB has and if they are even analygous to 2CE. SWIM is experienced with the 2C's and 2CE in particular, but has never even heard mention of MBDB.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by Metomni

Out of curiosity what are the effects of MBDB? SWIM has never really heard of it. Is it in anyway related to MDMA? Is it a hallucinegen? Stimulant? Sleep aid? ...

PHIKAL makes it sound like MDMA but SWIM's experience with it that it's MDMA with the stimulant element taken out and most all the euphoria too, if you can imagine that. It is related to MDMA and was hoped to be legal replacement. It didn't turn out that way. It's also more toxic than MDMA. It was deliberately designed not to be a hallucinogen for legal reasons. It does release serotonin, apparently, but has still has an effect more like alcohol the MDMA 'brain moves' thrown in. Some people like it, others don't , finding it dysphoric.

The beta ketone version, bk-MBDB, however, is stimulating and, for many, euphoric.

[Metomni]

Interesting, it doesn't sound like it would be a very good pairing with 2C-E. Not only are both of them at least mildly harmful, but by taking out the euphoric and stimulant effects it's almost as if you're just asking to put unnecessary stress on your body during what is already an intense experience for your mind.

If SWIY is experienced with both it may be a worthwhile venture, but if they've never had either the 2C-E or the MBDB it sounds like it would just be asking for trouble.

[sweetsweetmary]

SWIM wishes he could comment on this combo but something went wrong or should swim say something went right. Not sure says swim. The story you ask, the ender! The story that ended sweetsweetmary, and brought alcohol back to the picture. 22mgs of 2ce was the most intense experience ever experienced by SWIM. Add 2mgs and you get what, holy fucking ba jesus says SWIM. Koyanaqatsi and Baraka were watched. And out of body experiences were experienced while observing donald duck type visuals with waves of visuals that looked like a picture of the stock market that would turn into donald duck while the visuals in the back ground would move like Acid says swim. Phase outs occured. And SWIM tripped for 14 hours. OUch says SWIM, so SWIM went back to drinking. SWIM is still freaked and has given up the spiritual side of life. This trip started fantastic, but SWIM can't beleive what goes on in India, and the poor, and the destitute and SWIM to get kicks off things that are unnecessary. At the end of Baraka SWIM needed a beer to push down all the emotion that built up through the movie. SWIM thought it was the most miraculous experience he has ever had, and has chosen the sober way of life. SWIM couldn't imagine mixing a drug with that much 2ce but could still see it done at 20 mgs. 22 mgs pushed every brink of sanity SWIM had and collapsed it on top of itself all while donald duck beat it in like a hockey player in remission. False teeth and a depressed mind SWIM leaves with and has to say goodbye. For a drug website is pointless when sobriety is in the forecast. Hope you folks enjoyed as this is the end, SWIM's only end, SWIM's friend.

[radiometer]

I had a funny feeling things might have been heading this way.

All the reports I see treating 2C-E like a lightweight thing are highly concerning to me. I really wish that more people would take what Shulgin wrote about 2C-E a bit more seriously.

Best of luck, SSM! I suspect we'll be seeing you around these parts yet...

[enquirewithin]

I guess 'uncomfortable' was an understatement. Many of the phenylethylamines are very potent, the only limit to their intensity being death, eventually. With LSD and psilocybin, people seemed to be able to take high doses without going into spaces that were too intense.

Didn't 'Shura' himself have a difficult experience with 2C-E whilst hiking?

Interesting report-- Donald Duck!