Oral use - Coca containing soft drink : Red Bull Cola

[anony]

Not sure if this is the right board, but I figured this is the board it'll make most underwears creamed.

So yesterday I was at work when the greatest thing happened. These 2 amazingly nice women were walking around giving out "Red Bull Cola" samples. I accepted and proceeded to drink it. Reading over the ingredients I came across this "Kola Nut, Lemon\Lime, Clove, Cinnamon, Cardamon, Pine, Corn Mint, Galangal, Vanilla, Ginger, Mace, Cacao, Licourice, Orange, Mustard Seeds and the main ingrdient COCA LEAF"

It appears they have recreated the old Coca-Cola somehow?

Anyhow I couldn't believe my eyes! I downed the can (amazing taste, must I also say), didn't feel too much physical affect, although for about 30 seconds my heart appeared to beat a little harder.

It's new in UK, not sure if it's hit USA yet as Red Bull are UK based.

[cosmicruler]

coca leaf??it must have such a small amount of cokcaine present that its allowed or something??or its BS??

[fonogoodreason]

definately legit. just checked red bull website and other sites.

[Tony Williams]

I call BS, I don't see why they could market what's illegal. Could you tell me where SWIY got it from?

[Benga]

moved to the coca forum.
very interesting. not so much for the coca soft drink aspect, as others, mostly south american brands ( Inka Kola) clearly coca containing soft drinks exist, but for the fact that red bull is an international corporation with plenty of distributors. very interesting from the possible consequences this might have, such as opening the way for more coca containing prodcts. Yet quite against the latest INCB recommendations, go figure...
It would not be illegal if the coca leaves are decocainized, or if the concentration of cocaine alkaloids is too low to hit the radar.

anyway, don't expect anything much from this product, well anything more than the strong caffeine taurine thing.
Coca drinks, as soft drinks or as tea, are rather healthy, but not very stimulating, pretty much like green tea. much less than chewed coca for instance.
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[Alfa]

I see it is available in the UK, but not in the Netherlands or Belgium.

[Panthers007]

Watch out, kiddies - Bongo had a cup of coca-tea. And 2 days later he was forced to pee in a jar for "God & Country." He blew a positive for cocaine.

[Mr. Giraffe]

I looked into this for a possible 'RED BULL HAS COCAINE IN IT' shocker, but boringly, the manufacturer explained that the coca leaf has been de-cocainized, and no longer has actives, it's just for flavour.

[Alfa]

Still coca leaf is a controlled substance. With or without cocaine.

[Mr. Giraffe]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Still coca leaf is a controlled substance. With or without cocaine.

That's what I thought too. But apparently the written laws don't really matter once multinationals say they don't.

Otherwise, Coca-Cola would be illegal in most of the world.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Mr. Giraffe

That's what I thought too. But apparently the written laws don't really matter once multinationals say they don't.

Otherwise, Coca-Cola would be illegal in most of the world.

this odd FDA tolerance for "decocainized" coca leaves is indeed tailor made for the coca-cola company, since coca has very little culinary uses, outside its traditional south-american socio-cultural context. In fact apart from the odd "machu pichu" pizza report on erowid and coca eating experiments i've never heard of food including coca as a flavouring agent, other than the famous soft drinks.
of course this is not true in the traditional south american context, where coca has many uses, and even more so today with the coca-everything exports ( coca candy, coca chocolate, coca toothpaste etc etc) of the coca producing nations, but it is highly unlikely that this was what the FDA had in mind when they mentioned decocainized coca leaves...
coca-cola was born in the wake of the coca then actual cocaine HCl containing tonic drinks of the 19th century, and as for coca flavour, interestingly enough most people actually don't appreciate the taste of coca that much... go figure

[Benga]

scheduled, but decocainized leaves have special status, at least in the influential USA. a very blurry notion this "decocainization",for many reasons...for instance "cocaine" and "egconine" are not the only active alkaloid in the coca leaf spectrum...
Anyhow, "decocainized" leaves which are then considered a flavouring agent and allowed special FDA ( hence DEA, for imports) authorizations such as the coca-cola company's. Or this redbull cola's.

this "decocainization" is also behind the 1980's "inka tea" mini scandal ( so called decocainized leaves were tested and weren't, hence promptly removed from shelves).

apparently the other legal workarounds, at least for mate de coca, would be found in the very blurry notion of decocainisation itself, which to swim's knowledge does not specify any max alkaloid content. which one of reasons swim has read might be behind the semi-legal importations of mate de coca packed in teabag, as one serving, roughly one gram of leaves, would be "under this limit". doesn't hold water, swim agrees, and would test positive for cocaine in a urine test, but actual ground coca leaf testing might strangely be the key to this situation.


from a US FDA site :
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/script...cfm?fr=1308.12

PART 1308 -- SCHEDULES OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES

Schedules Sec. 1308.12 Schedule II.

(a) Schedule II shall consist of the drugs and other substances, by whatever official name, common or usual name, chemical name, or brand name designated, listed in this section. Each drug or substance has been assigned the Controlled Substances Code Number set forth opposite it.

(b) Substances, vegetable origin or chemical synthesis. Unless specifically excepted or unless listed in another schedule, any of the following substances whether produced directly or indirectly by extraction from substances of vegetable origin, or independently by means of chemical synthesis, or by a combination of extraction and chemical synthesis:

(....)

Coca leaves (9040) and any salt, compound, derivative or preparation of coca leaves (including cocaine (9041) and ecgonine (9180) and their salts, isomers, derivatives and salts of isomers and derivatives), and any salt, compound, derivative, or preparation thereof which is chemically equivalent or identical with any of these substances, except that the substances shall not include decocainized coca leaves or extraction of coca leaves, which extractions do not contain cocaine or ecgonine.


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from another, the FDA food additive status list :
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/opa-appa.html

This Food Additives Status List organizes additives found in many parts of 21 CFR into one alphabetized list. Additives included are those specified in the regulations promulgated under the FD&C Act, under Sections 401 (Food Standards), and 409 (Food Additives). The list also includes selected pesticide chemicals from 40 CFR 180 for which EPA has set tolerances in food. FDA enforces those tolerances. Within the space available, the Food Additives Status List includes use limitations and permitted tolerances for each additive. For complete information on its use limitations, refer to the specific regulation for each substance. New regulations and revisions are published in current issues of the Federal Register as promulgated. Also refer to the CFSAN website on Food Additives and Premarket Approval to review several FDA databases of additive categories. For example, EAFUS (Everything Added to Food in the United States) is a helpful reference within the limitations described at the beginning of the database.

(...)
Coca (decocainized) - ESO, GRAS - 182.20

which stands for
ESO : Essential oil and/or oleoresin (solvent free)
GRAS/FS Substances generally recognized as safe in foods but limited in standardized foods where the standard provides for its use.

[Tony Williams]

Gah, that sucks guys, no coca then. Guess SWIM will speed dial his dealer.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Tony Williams

Gah, that sucks guys, no coca then. Guess SWIM will speed dial his dealer.

again, coca and cocaine are NOT the same thing. even if there was non-decocainized coca in there it would in no way be a cocaine substitute.
even though coca is a source of cocaine, high coca doses simply will not produce the same effects as extracted cocaine...
swim truly hopes this will one day be understood.

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[Tony Williams]

Sorry I meant cocaine *slaps forehead*

Any places that sell this?

[Alfa]

Well coca cola is not as addictive as it is, because of it's flavour. Ask any heavy coca cola drinker. So it may be decocainized, there is surely an alkaloid in it that makes it so addictive.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Well coca cola is not as addictive as it is, because of it's flavour. Ask any heavy coca cola drinker. So it may be decocainized, there is surely an alkaloid in it that makes it so addictive.

I also wonder about this. Is it just that cola is a better-tasting soft drink than say, lemonade, or is there something about it that is mildly addictive? And I don't mean caffeine. Tea has more caffeine in it than Coca-Cola but SWIM has very rarely had a real craving for tea.

[Ihsepitter]

Well I recently stumbled upon an article by Udo Pollmer, which might explain some of the addictive character of cola drinks.
I translated it myself so excuse any errors pls :

1903 the cocaine disappeared from the bottle. Today other components make the active ingredients, such as sugar and caffeine which are designated on the label. Both increase the serotonin levels and the mood is brightened. But that does not separate cola from a cup of coffe with a few pieces of cube sugar.
The foundation for the worlwide success lies in colas Aromamix. It contains some of the ingredients that we use in the darkest time of the year, at Christmas, to euphorise ourselves: gingerbread and mulled wine. The focus is an extract from the nutmeg with the active ingredients Myristicin and Elemicin. They are converted by the liver to amphetamines, chemically close to Mescalin and the fashion drug ecstasy. The worldwide success of cola as well as Christmas have a pharmacological basis. A merit of the marketing experts is that this success is bound to the name of certain companies.

Have a nice day!

[Apotek]

I would chalk that up to preference. If you don't like tea, you don't like tea. There is a psychological conditioning that the marketers over at Coca-Cola are engaged in as well. Go to the cinema? Coke is it. Mixer for your whiskey? Coke is it. What should you reach for? Coke is it.

Haven't heard the tea industry get together with a unifying message. Tea is it? Just doesn't resonate...

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Apotek

I would chalk that up to preference. If you don't like tea, you don't like tea. There is a psychological conditioning that the marketers over at Coca-Cola are engaged in as well. Go to the cinema? Coke is it. Mixer for your whiskey? Coke is it. What should you reach for? Coke is it.

Haven't heard the tea industry get together with a unifying message. Tea is it? Just doesn't resonate...

i'll bite... out of personal memory, "lipton time is the time we love the best ?"

and online
Tea can do that.
Lipton. We can do that.
100% Natural and 100% Real Tea.
Lipton's gets into more hot water than anything. Tylos Tea ... It's a part of your life.
That's better. That's Tetley.
Tetley loves you.
A cup of Tetley and you're ready for anything! (Irish campaign)
Only Tetley will do.
Tetley Make Tea Bags Make Tea.

Reputation Comments on this post:

That collection of tea slogans nearly made me vomit, i aught take points, but You suffered to get the research done.

[Apotek]

Touche!

Sounds like the Lipton marketing team is working a little harder in Europe.

Bon mot.

[guldenat]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

I also wonder about this. Is it just that cola is a better-tasting soft drink than say, lemonade, or is there something about it that is mildly addictive? And I don't mean caffeine. Tea has more caffeine in it than Coca-Cola but SWIM has very rarely had a real craving for tea.

Back in the 80's Coca Cola slightly changed the recipe of the drink. Consumers noticed (it did indeed taste different and not as good) and sales went down. The Coca Cola Company got wise and went back to the original flavor, thus renaming the drink "Coca Cola Classic".

The only truly addictive substance in the drink is caffeine. Through clever marketing many people simply view cola beverages as a real substitute for, say, water. People expect some fizzy flavored soft drinks with their meals these days. (More of a Dr. Pepper man myself ) I used to drink Coke all the time, but being a nicotine addict, I would find it very implausible for someone to complain of a real "addiction" to the drink, if you take my meaning.

[Benga]

sugar and caffeine ?

[fonogoodreason]

swim is a very big fan of this drink. he advises you to try it. but not if you want to sleep anytime soon!

[Spare Chaynge]

has any swim tried dissolving cocaine into a can of coca cola and if so what happened?