BZP / TFMPP piperazine mix

[msumegi]

I have become interested in trying a BZP/TFMPP combo after reading this :


http://www.annalsnyas.org/cgi/conten...act/1025/1/189


The conclusion of this scientific study is as follows:


"Our results support the<SUP> </SUP>hypothesis that the BZP/TFMPP combination mimics the neurochemical<SUP> </SUP>mechanism of MDMA, providing a basis for recreational use of<SUP> </SUP>these agents"


I have found out that legal (in my country) smartshop pills called Charge and Rapture contain BZP and TFMPP respectivly, but I have been unable to determine the exact amount of the active ingredient in either pill. If anyone has knowledge of the exact content of BZP in Charge or of TFMPP in Rapture please post that information here.


I am also interested in any other information or trip reports regarding either BZP or TFMPP, but especially those involving a combination of the two.


If anyone has direct experience with Charge and/or Rapture (with or without the knowledge of themgs. of active ingredients) please post your experience here and include the quantity and name of the pill(s) as well your approx. weight.
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[BlueMystic]

As of yet. Have not been able to determine the exact amounts of BZP & TFMPP in the two pills. However, you can find a ton of trip reports at the link below on either of those and combinations of the two.


http://www.erowid.org/experiences/su...erazines.shtml

[macamaca]

bzp is nice and as far as I am concerned this is the only piperazine woth the effort, the tfmpp ads some kind of diziness to the cocktail which personally I dont like


i have done 100mg+50mg (bzp+tfmpp) or only 100mg BZP

[PenguinPhreak]

Dosages of common party pills:



Pulse - 100mg BZP

Voyager - 90mg of BZP/TFMPP Mixture

RavePillz 250mgs - 250mg BZP

Clear Light - 100mg BZP, 50mg TMPP

Uppers - 200mg BZP



Sorry the list is so short, but I was unable to find the dosages for any other Party Pills.

[GoaM]

I ordered some Rapture Gold and should get it sometime next week. I was unable to find ingredients but I'm sure its a BZP, TFMPP combo. I'll let you know how it works in a club situation.

[freakybass]

Other brand names in New-Zealand:



TheGoodStuff - BZP 80mg - TFMPP 40mg

Up - BZP 100mg


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[JewishNazi]

Charge - 80mg of BZP, two is the recommended dose and dose an alright job


Rapture -60mg TFMPP. Not as much stimulation but much more tactile sensation

[GoaM]

I popped some Kandi and some Rapture gold. A BZP and TFMPP mix. The comeup was very stimulating and lasted about 2 hours. Body rushes started after an hour. Very nice. Then it mellowed.


It was very fun and worth trying, but MDMA is so MUCH better.

[Cuberun]

BZP sure does the trick, lasts fairly long but boy does it wear you out. Possible fatigue for 2-3 days

[MescalinePirate]

Kandi has got to be my favourite BZP pill here. None of the others come close. Excellent mix with weed aswell.

[GoaM]

Kandi was definitely much stronger than Rapture Gold. I was emailed that the Kiwis are gonna regulate the strength of the pills and prohibit advertising and free samples. You might want to order more Kandi's now.

[Cuberun]

Originally Posted by GoaM

Kandi was definitely much stronger than Rapture Gold. I was emailed that the Kiwis are gonna regulate the strength of the pills and prohibit advertising and free samples. You might want to order more Kandi's now.

How much is in them?

[JewishNazi]

i thought that 'two mive tickets' was a bit too much to pay for just 3
pills (generally only one dose). And then its '3 movie tickets' for the
"Multipack". Where is the saving?



I like that charge is about 5 tickets for 9 - 6 doses.



I have never been worn out the day(s) after using BzP and have only
once had a small headache from taking a tripple dose. Biggest waste
ever; didnt even get a bigger buzz

[MescalinePirate]

BZP, like other legal drugs [not everywhere of course] do tend to be
expensive. I think I might wait until it's regulated so I can get it
cheaper

[moeBius]

bzp is quite cheap and available from several chem companies. and you
can be sure that bzp wont be produced in clandestine labs when it has
been made illegal.

[MescalinePirate]

It is made in illegal drug labs by some people I know who have them. They sell them cheaper than any legal supply will.

[JewishNazi]

Why dont they use the BzCL to make amphetamines?


MoeBius, your inbox is full

[MescalinePirate]

They do. However, Amphetamines don't have infinity demand. Some people just like to snort or eat BZP...

[moeBius]

might be possible, but it wont become a major underground drug as amphetamine or mdma.

[MescalinePirate]

Of course not. But not everyone goes for the major drugs.

[JewishNazi]

Personally, i like BzP and its relatives, but if I had the choice of which to synth, I would go for the amphetamine





NOTE: Dont make drugs kids, its illegal

[MescalinePirate]

I'd make both, really.

[Cuberun]

It's like making espresso and coffee.

[MescalinePirate]

Exactly.

[Cuberun]

I've had bzp with pleasurable effects. What difference does tfmpp add? Some people say they don't get any effects off tfmpp alone.
What effects do you get with a bzp tfmpp mix compared to just bzp?Edited by: Cuberun