Drugs that don't destroy brain cells

[mr.stark]

Apparently alcohol knocks out a small amount of brain cells and reefer alters them (opposed to the years and years we were told that pot destroys brain cells). what goods are out there that don't have a negative effect on brain cells?? i've been researching different herbs and such (brownie points on natural substances) and am intrigued by some of them. where are the experts on the matter? what safer, herbal routes are out there (not marijuana) that don't play battleship with your dome??

[skissors]

To my knowledge, many psychedelics don't specifically damage the brain. Psilocybin, LSD, Mescaline, DMT for example. I believe they simply mimic serotonin and make your brain act "differently" for a period of time. I don't know too much about it, though.

[ADVOR]

Any drug can be bad for you (and your brain!) if you abuse it.

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[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by mr.stark

Apparently alcohol knocks out a small amount of brain cells and reefer alters them (opposed to the years and years we were told that pot destroys brain cells). what goods are out there that don't have a negative effect on brain cells?? i've been researching different herbs and such (brownie points on natural substances) and am intrigued by some of them. where are the experts on the matter? what safer, herbal routes are out there (not marijuana) that don't play battleship with your dome??

Every psychoactive alters the braincells somehow. Altering does not always result in damage as such however, therefore the risks may not be too high depending on what we're talking about here.

[Durd1e]

Originally Posted by skissors

To my knowledge, many psychedelics don't specifically damage the brain. Psilocybin, LSD, Mescaline, DMT for example. I believe they simply mimic serotonin and make your brain act "differently" for a period of time. I don't know too much about it, though.

There is plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that heavy lsd use damages the brains...just look at all those serious acid casualties.

Originally Posted by ADVOR

Huffing gasoline is good for your brain. It'll make your I.Q. rank jump!

Alternatively you could try just hitting yourself on the head really hard.

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you should quote that "anecdotal evidence" that shows neurological rather than psychological damage

[mr.stark]

How about some herbal facts? Marijuana aside, do we have any knowledged minds on other plants,roots,etc that give worthwhile effects?

[Durd1e]

Sinicuichi (the herb of the golden vision) gives a great boost to memory while in efeect but may cause damage to memory if abused long term.

There is evidence to suggest that GBL improves liver function among other thing (it makes lab rats live longer) but this is balanced by addiction potential.

SWIM has always found infrequent doses of mushrooms to be extremely beneficial in removing mental clutter but this is largely psychologial rather than neurochemical he reckons.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by Durd1e

SWIM has always found infrequent doses of mushrooms to be extremely beneficial in removing mental clutter but this is largely psychologial rather than neurochemical he reckons.

Psychology and neurochemistry are essentially bound together. Psilocybin's use as a cure for cluster headaches indicates that indeed, low dosing may improve neurochemical functioning.

[skissors]

[quote=Durd1e;424708]There is plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that heavy lsd use damages the brains...just look at all those serious acid casualties.

That may be true, but extremely heavy use of just about anything isn't good for anybody. I believe it's realistically impossible to overdose on LSD or Psilly Shrooms or THC, very much unlike alcohol and other hard drugs. And too my knowledge, conservative use of these psychedelics doesn't do any noticable damage to the brain. I would even argue that in some situations it's beneficial!

[Lobsang]

I think that we cannot be sure of anything and it depends how log you do many things

[MrG]

Please avoid posting one line "funnies", unless they are hilarious and, so far, they are not.

As for the OP, one should be wary of believing the myth that just because a substance is herbal it will be benign to the human physiology or that if something is chemical it will be damaging.

The poison is in the dose.

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"The poison is in the dose." good line man, I'll remember that one.

[cosmicruler]

most if not all nootropics!!!!

[Omalley]

true story: 500lb woman gives D.A.R.E. Bullshit speech in front of class when i was still in school, telling how bad MJ is for you, and she can only take tiny baby steps in order to move, but her gluttony is not even close to how bad Weed is? yea that's a real good representative for children not to do drugs.

[vinylmesh]

GHB. It's found naturally in every cell in the body.
and LSD.

they're the only ones i know of for sure. I've never heard anyone talk about prescription opiates and neurotoxicity though...

[stoneinfocus]

Not toxic to brain cells are heroin, many if not all opiates, nearly all or the majority of amphetamines, probably 2-C drugs, THC, although there seems to be some inactivation of brain parts, as can be easily seen on swim -just kiddnin´ , some drugs with recreational effects might even be considered neuroprotective. So the "feel good with chems and then suffer in hell" -attribute, is not merely given when drugs are being used responsibly, with the given knowledge and valuable experiences of others.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by stoneinfocus

Not toxic to brain cells are heroin, many if not all opiates, nearly all or the majority of amphetamines, probably 2-C drugs, THC, although there seems to be some inactivation of brain parts, as can be easily seen on swim -just kiddnin´ , some drugs with recreational effects might even be considered neuroprotective. So the "feel good with chems and then suffer in hell" -attribute, is not merely given when drugs are being used responsibly, with the given knowledge and valuable experiences of others.

Erm, amphetamines have actually been found to be neurotoxic, but of course dose and longevity of use must be considered.

[Song]

Originally Posted by stoneinfocus

Not toxic to brain cells are heroin, many if not all opiates

That's nice to know

[Lobsang]

GHB. It's found naturally in every cell in the body.
and LSD.

LSD is found in every cell of the body?

[todaywasyesterday]

Lobsang, LSD is not produced by the human body. You need ergot fungus to synthesize the stuff and last I heard that grows on rye, not human cells . Don't know about GHB in cells. Anyone know about that?

[MrG]

Yes GHB is a natural part of body chemistry. It is also found in meats and wines, in very small amounts of course.

[vinylmesh]

No!!! :L

I meant GHB-it's found in every cell in the body.

LSD is another non-toxic drug but it's not natural.

Amphetamine is very slightly neurotoxic and methamphetamine is VERY neurotoxic.

I think all phenylethylamines are oxidising so they can cause damage (taking anti-oxidants is always good with any drug I reccomend vitamin C).

Nicotine is actually neuroproctective but all the other "natural" plant shit makes tobacco nasty.But because it works on your dopamine system it's very addictive when inhaled (just like crack).
Also If you were to touch pure nicotine you'd die. Also nicotine destroys your stomach.

So just spend LOADS of money on nicotine gum and get high (yes,you can get high off nicotine,it just doesn't happen with smoking coz you'd need to smoke loads) knowing that you're actually protecting your brain cells.

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good tidbits of info

[Panthers007]

It's all about dosage. gamma-Hydroxybutyrate (GHB) is a natural breakdown product of metabolizing certain foods, etc. Yes it is. So, technically, you could be arrested for being alive. Lysergic acid and it's various additions is not found in people. It is found in Ergot, Ipomeacae, so forth. In small amounts gHB passes unnoticed (so far - just wait), while even a tiny amount of most Lysergides have a demonstrable effect on the human body/brain.

Ain't chemistry wonderful? Someday people will find that inhalation of certain concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) can cause an alteration of consciousness. Then the government will step in and outlaw it. The movie "Waiting To Exhale" will take on a new meaning altogether.

[vinylmesh]

I'm just after reading that nicotine breakdown releases free radicals all that typing for nothing. Drink some tea and take some vitamin c)

[Salvinorin A]

DMT's the one that's produced in the body (as well as GHB).

It can be found in many herbs like the MHRB and certain vines. Haven't read anything about it damaging the body, swim still has to do research. But swim has certainly come across way less health defect reports than most abused drugs (if any).

Sal-A

[ShawnD]

Originally Posted by mr.stark

Apparently alcohol knocks out a small amount of brain cells

bullshit
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Most drugs do not destroy brain cells, but you can use your intuition to get a general idea of which ones can or will. If meth is causing huge dopamine surges in the brain, is it really a surprise to anyone when research shows that it damages dopamine receptors? MDMA does the same basic thing, but with serotonin instead of dopamine. Would you then expect MDMA to damage serotonin receptors? Of course. Does it? It's up in the air right now, but I put my money on yes.
As brain chemistry gets farther and farther from the normal operating range, the more you can expect to see brain damage.