Experiences - So ive got many free months of oxycontin and general opiates.

[Ragnar Danneskjöld]

So my kidney goes nuts and im stuck in a treatment window until it can be fixed... thus i am currently prescribed-


60 40mg oxycontin per month with 60 vicodin hp per month....

I feel fantastic and it certainly is also of happy pills for a lucky guy like me...


Im just scared after doing this for so long that Im gonna have a mean habit to kick...

In the mean time im not complaining.

[purplehaze]

I agree you will have a habit to kick if you continue recreational use everyday. I would space it out maybe once a week, opiates are a mean thing when your addicted, better be careful.

[Ragnar Danneskjöld]

yea... but i have 60...

im directed to take two per day... this is nuts to suddenly have so much value for so little money and it being perfectly legal and under a doctors orders...


its kind of like my doctor saying "here is my daughter who works for Hustler... have sex with her until you pass out"

[purplehaze]

For a doctor to write OC's to a 22 YO is odd IMO. I wouldn't take them inless I was in pain, if for recreational value maybe once a week as I stated above. You can't have fun with a whole bottle of Oc's and expect everything to be willy nilly afterwords. When the doctor downs your dose or cuts you off its more misery than its worth to kick addiction.

Just saying be careful.

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this is true, wize advice...helpful if op listens

[OhCasey]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

For a doctor to write OC's to a 22 YO is odd IMO. I wouldn't take them inless I was in pain, if for recreational value maybe once a week as I stated above. You can't have fun with a whole bottle of Oc's and expect everything to be willy nilly afterwords. When the doctor downs your dose or cuts you off its more misery than its worth to kick addiction.

Just saying be careful.

Age shouldnt be a factor in a doctors decision to prescribe pain meds. As far as the OC's go I'd take as few as i need for pain and if i wasnt in pain id keep 5 days in between use and not use for longer then 2 days at a time.

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	Good advice to avoid addiction.
	Sound advice and good correction on indications

[purplehaze]

I disagree, drugs that are dangerous like Oxycontin & Benzos like Xanax etc. addictive drugs - are usually not prescribed to patients under 25 in the U.S. per Phazes doctor. He says that serious meds like that are addictive and would rather prescribe something else, for backpain the doctor says patients over 30 are going to get OCs easier than a patient who is 22 because of age. Depending on the health of the patient i think its understandable to not prescribe harder pharm drugs to younger people.

But, i do agree here.

As far as the OC's go I'd take as few as i need for pain and if i wasnt in pain id keep 5 days in between use and not use for longer then 2 days at a time.

[ironmics]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

I disagree, drugs that are dangerous like Oxycontin & Benzos like Xanax etc. addictive drugs - are usually not prescribed to patients under 25 in the U.S. per Phazes doctor. He says that serious meds like that are addictive and would rather prescribe something else, for backpain the doctor says patients over 30 are going to get OCs easier than a patient who is 22 because of age. Depending on the health of the patient i think its understandable to not prescribe harder pharm drugs to younger people.

But, i do agree here.

I can vouch for that. I have 2 years history of chronic back pain, but my university will not prescribe anything that does not have apap in it. I don't have very good insurance, so I'm forced to live with the pain and a bottle of vicodin once a month. If I went to a pain specialist than it might be a different story though. I only get bottles of 20, which I kind of appreciate, since I'm motivated to save them, until the pain prevents me from going to class.

[OhCasey]

Pain is Pain. Young people hurt just as much as old people. That makes not one lick of sense. Prescribe meds based on the amount of pain a patient is in not based on age or looks or anyother trivial info. Doctors are prescribing medication for pain on the bases of age instead of pain and its a reason why we have so much addiction to pain meds in our country. In most cases people dont get addicted to opiates when they use them as directed for real pain, young or old.

[machine_elf]

Originally Posted by OhCasey

Pain is Pain. Young people hurt just as much as old people. That makes not one lick of sense. Prescribe meds based on the amount of pain a patient is in not based on age or looks or anyother trivial info. Doctors are prescribing medication for pain on the bases of age instead of pain and its a reason why we have so much addiction to pain meds in our country. In most cases people dont get addicted to opiates when they use them as directed for real pain, young or old.

Swim agrees completely, iatrogenic addiction is rare so just make sure you take your meds as prescribed.

[y0ssarianlives]

Accept that you're going to end up physically addicted as I seriously doubt ANYONE with that much laying around will have the willpower to space it out. Welcome to hell. Make sure there's a methadone program in your area for when you're cut off instead of turning to heroin or buying shit off the street is my advice.

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Good advice, i like that blunt and honesty.

[purplehaze]

I agree, that is my point clearly, opiates are not something to play with. And if you do not heed our warnings and space the use out you will be in a methadone clinic or on suboxone. Trying to ween yourself off after you have fell in love with the drug not to mention addicted to the drug and have a physical dependance for the substance. Phaze has seen many people in methadone clinics and on suboxone for over 10 years, and for what?

The truth is, doctors do prescribe strong medicine to younger patients who really need them when there in severe pain were lower meds like loritab etc wont kill the pain, its a bad idea, me and my doctor had a social relationship and just talked for atleast 45min-1hr evertime i went in and basically shit like this is prescribed to people with no hope its a last resort. Taken in moderation it can kill severe pain, but it could also take your life away. Thats why phazes doctor says basically people who are old or are going to die anyway get prescribed medicine like this, unless ofcourse it temporary like this is for surgery or something like that temporary pain.

Id be damn careful because you dont want to keep travelling down this road for sure, just read some of the storys about addiction to opiates you will hopefully have a little fear and think better before dosing everyday to stay happy and fucked up. Yeah it feels good, for now. But this is something that you need to take into consideration and do the right thing, the doctor prescribing you opiates wasnt for a fun time or a playground of drugs, be ware because when withdrawl and depression sets in addiction follows and could last a long time. Just pop into the addiction recovery forums and read up on some storys of peolpe who are addicted to herion and opiates for yourself.

I hope everything works out for you.

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Good harm reduction advice.

[OhCasey]

Oxycontin is not just for palliative care. I think its easy for alot of members here to assume that everyone who uses opiates will become addicted which is not true. I understand the sentiment of trying to discourage use of an addictive substance.

[Ragnar Danneskjöld]

ive taken 3 and until recently was having a very hard core nod....


im going to wait a full day before touching them again... every month i get shocked by how powerful they are....potent shit if ya chew one.

Anyway as for why i get it legally...

Ive had a chronic kidney problem for 16 months... ive been in the hospital twice and have had several kidney stones, infections, and hematuria with crippling pain the entire time. OC when taken normally gives 10 hours or so of decent relief. I chew one on occasion to have a good nod.

My doctor knows me well and while i do occasionally take one for dropping out I do need serious pain relief and fentnyl patches made me trip balls.


im am itchy as hell even with benedril in my system.

[purplehaze]

Originally Posted by OhCasey

I think its easy for alot of members here to assume that everyone who uses opiates will become addicted which is not true.

I disagree with this statement, anyone who uses opiates out of moderation will become addicted.

In fact. The word addiction was originally used for opium.

Addiction is a state in which the body relies on a substance for normal functioning. When this substance is removed, it can cause withdrawal. It was first used in 1906, in reference to opium (there is an isolated instance from 1779, with ref. to tobacco). The first use of the adjective addict (with the meaning of "delivered, devoted") was in 1529 and comes from Latin addictus, pp. of addicere ("deliver, yield, devote," from ad-, "to" + dicere, "say, declare").[1]

(From Wikipedia)

Oxycodone is an opiate analgesic, and as such is a variation on an ancient theme beginning with the simple consumption or smoking of the alkaloid-bearing parts of Papaver somniferum, the opium poppy, first cultivated circa 3400 BC in lower Mesopotamia.

(Again, from Wikipedia)

Spacing it out one day is not good enough. It is highly recommended that you do not use unless your in severe pain.

Telling someone they can use opiates and not become addicted is bad advice, any prolonged use will result in physical addiction and lead to serious withdrawl.

Taking opiates one time is a completely different story, but prolonged use even for a short time is not recommended.

I also thought this could go well here.

Addiction is caused by ABUSE and MISUSE of oxycodone. This is when the drug is not used for valid medical reasons, is used for recreation ("fun" or "pleasure"), not used as instructed by doctor and pharmacist, or when the drug is used to get a "high", "rush", or "euphoric feeling". Using the drug for these purposes will quickly cause addiction. This is primarily caused because too large of doses are taken far too often, which in turn causes the brain to be unable to function properly without the drug. The brain will need a certain amount of the drug to be able to release or create serotonin and dopamine. Without the drug, the brain can not produce these endorphins, and it will cause SEVERE depression in the addicted person. It will also cause the addicted person's brain to be totally unable to properly deal with pain signals and other unpleasant stimuli. It will cause their nervous system to "go haywire" and nervous dysfunction will occur. The person will have an EXTREME over-sensitivity to pain, and will even feel pain that does not physically exist. The person's body will ache, burn, and writhe with pain upon absence of the drug. Most of these aches and pains will not be from an actual pain stimulus outside the body, but simply from the lack of the drug. Also, without the drug, addicted persons will have other profound withdrawal symptoms, including, but not limited to, extreme nausea and vomiting, diarrhea, cold and hot flashes, profuse sweating, shivering, watery eyes, excessive and unnatural yawning and sneezing, runny nose, and an overall feeling of unbearable sickness and discomfort. (As if the emotional and painful symptoms were not enough!) This is because the body and brain have become extremely accustomed to very high and unnecessary doses of oxycodone, and TOTALLY and COMPLETELY depend on the drug to function all together. The body begins using this drug more like a "wheelchair" rather than just a "helping hand" or "crutch", and can not properly function at all without it. Addicted persons will also become very irrational and illogical in their thinking without oxycodone. Their thoughts will be totally consumed with getting and using the drug. They may steal, cheat, and lie just to get their hands on it, or the money to buy it. Though it is rare, some people have killed other people to get drugs (usually crack-cocaine, however). This can also be better understood with an analogy similar to, but not the same as, the analogy about being carried around by someone else instead of walking. In this example, the person will absolutely require to be carried around by the other person, EVERYWHERE they need to go. Their muscles are so weak, and their joints so stiff, that they physically and mentally lack the strength and willpower to walk on their own. The person is "addicted" to being carried by someone else to go places. When they no longer have that person to carry them around, they can not get up or go anywhere. They are too weak, and can not do things on their own. This is very similar to how being addicted to a drug is and how it feels. Addicted people simply can not physically or mentally function without the drug. Drug addiction is a horrible and meager form of existence. Some people, including my uncle who was addicted to crack, have committed suicide because of the depression and ill-effects of drug withdrawal.


***WARNING***
Oxycodone is a schedule II narcotic under federal law. Possession of this drug without a valid prescription can and WILL result in being arrested and prosecuted. Oxycodone is also HIGHLY addictive if abused, misused, or used for recreation. If you abuse Oxycodone, you WILL become addicted. Maybe not at first, but eventually, you WILL. Some people believe that they are "too strong, smart, tough, or cool" to become addicted to oxycodone. Other people think that they can "handle" the addiction. This is WRONG and simply UNTRUE! NO ONE is above becoming addicted to this drug! The withdrawals to this drug will make anyone regret ever abusing it. If you are considering using this drug for "fun", "recreation", "pleasure", or just to get a "high", PLEASE, do NOT do it! You will one day be VERY SORRY if you do. The first time you can not find this drug, you will feel extremely sick, depressed, worthless, and your body will burn, ache, and writhe with the most horrible and excruciating pain you have EVER experienced. You may also become suicidal and/or kill yourself! This drug can be very helpful to people with severe and/or chronic pain, but it will DEVASTATE all of its abusers! This drug definitely seeks revenge on ALL of those who MISUSE and ABUSE it! I have seen this happen to several of my close friends, all of whom I thought would NEVER get hooked on a drug. DON'T let this happen to you! Considering using for your first time? THINK AGAIN! DON'T DO IT!

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a lot of useful info for the op

[OhCasey]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

I disagree with this statement, anyone who uses opiates out of moderation will become addicted.

In fact. The word addiction was originally used for opium.

Well guess what you are wrong. I had a serious accident where the major nerves in my arm were severed and i was on Hydrocodone & Fentanyl among other opiates for 4 years. 75 mcg/hr patches & 6 10/325 mgs norcos a day. I recently tapered my use and havent touched opiates for 28 days and i have a full bottle of 180 norcos sitting on my dresser. I feel no desire to use them, I'll just save them and when my pain level increases in the winter ill have that many extra. "The word addiction was originally used for opium" who cares? Opiates are addictive. Not all people who use them for prolonged periods get addicted. When opiates are used for pain under doctors orders and people dont abuse the script by taking more or using other ROA the chances for addiction are slim. Read up on the subject.

[Ragnar Danneskjöld]

ok im taking as directed for the next 3 days.... the oxy should prevent me from withdrawl if even already it would occur.


however willpower to not touch them is very difficult and i keep having to tell myself "bad brain!" to keep from thinking about it...

it is way too easy to just say "why not one more? ive got over 50 left."

[Swift Serenity]

jesus thats alot.. i have never heard someone being prescribed THAT many pills.. but like the other posters said, be careful. i know if SWIM had that many pills, he would end up addicted. so much of a temptation seriously be careful

[vdogg420]

thats the equivilent of 300 - 5 mg percs and 120 - 5mg vics. i have noooooooo idea why a doc would lay you with that much hydro and oxy. please use discretion.


ps- its abs. bullshit that i cant even get 30 tylenol #3's when my back acts up , and this doc is RX'n you this. wtf

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sounds more like jealousy than a real issue this poster is arguing

[Fantasian]

Im sorry im with Purplehaze on this one. Opiates can be amazing drugs and they can certainly do great things for those in severe pain no matter what the age BUT....

If someone is taking higher than theraputic doses to get a euphoric effect then addiction comes on very rapidly. Those suffering from large amounts of pain do not find it addicting as it's much less euphoric. As a general rule of thumb opiates especially the stronger ones should be safeguarded from as much use as possible except in acute trauma or pallative care neither of which the original poster is. Working in the medical profession i find it sometimes a little upsetting seeing young people on high doses of opiates, they're not themselves and often if they are on those doses they're often stuck with that for the rest of they're life. An SWIF can speak from personal experience that opiate addiction is utterly debilitating and horrible.

I think a big part of the argument here is the label of addction, often legitimate users of prescribed opiates become dependant, however that is in terms of definition differant to addiction. It's still is very unpleasant though. While opiates act on the endodorphin pathways they're is quite a big legitimate argument that suggests they can affect reward pathways (dopamine) even permenantly with chronic use.

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Honest post, cuts out the BS.

[pixplzthx]

Strolling aroung the neighborhood the kid around the corner had a lot to say on this matter. I'll recite what I can (a talkative bugger that one).

In short physical dependance is different from addiction. It is amazing the number of health professionals that wonder when TKATC is going to be off of pain killers.

The answer is never. Unless some medical "thing" occurs this thirty something year old "kid" that lives around the corner from me realizes that opiates (specifically hydromorphone) will be a constant part of life.

But there are steps that are taken to keep the dosages low. They are as follows: Once a per day and only once per day dosing. The pain gets built up. The pain gets knocked down. Against the opiate, pain is a castle made of sand being attacked by the tide.

Number two, decide on the lowest possible dose for comfort. If you think that opiates are going to obliterate the pain you are tripping on delusions of grandeur. The waves may knock the castle over, but the sand is still there. Realize that the drug will make you more comfortable.

As possible, take a break every third day. No matter what, take a break on the seventh day. This ensures a cleansing if you will. It also gives a greater appreciation for what the drug is doing. And on occasion it even allows for a re-thinking of the lowest possible dose.

I've been around TKARTC on day seven. It isn't pretty but it's manageable.

I asked the kid if a recreational dose was ever taken. Without hesitation:

"I may joke a lot but the reality is that I have experienced recreation without the intent of recreation. In eight months I've miscalculated the extent of my pain about four times. I just didn't hurt as much as I thought I did. It's too much for me. I can't view this as more than medicine. The moment it becomes a toy, I might as well stop taking them. I need them to help me not hinder me. What point would it be to take my greatest ally and turn it into my greatest enemy?"

Like a said: a talkative bugger that one.

[Ragnar Danneskjöld]

ran out early...

another week or so and i can refill and get another 60 oxy.


i regreted running out early.... 2 days of severe withdrawl that i fixed with a Dextromethorphan night...

DXM is an absolute life saver and reverses your withdrawl...

ill be clean for another week and i feel ok now.

Dhadz22 added 3 Minutes and 7 Seconds later...

as for pain the colic of kidney pain makes me want to insulate myself against the waves...


i want to build a wall 30 feet thick made out of sand and get some time before the waves wash it away...

[Nateup7]

Originally Posted by Ragnar Danneskjöld

ran out early...

another week or so and i can refill and get another 60 oxy.


i regreted running out early.... 2 days of severe withdrawl that i fixed with a Dextromethorphan night...

DXM is an absolute life saver and reverses your withdrawl...

ill be clean for another week and i feel ok now.

Dhadz22 added 3 Minutes and 7 Seconds later...

as for pain the colic of kidney pain makes me want to insulate myself against the waves...


i want to build a wall 30 feet thick made out of sand and get some time before the waves wash it away...

PLEASE expand on the DXM curing your severe withdrawl! How much taken? Really worked from one trip?

[Herbal Remedy]

good luck with your kidney pain and be safe with those meds. Its a tough spot to be in, but most anyone who has been there knows that physical pain isnt so bad compared to all the mental and physical side effects of opiates..

[Ragnar Danneskjöld]

just refilled it two days ago...

60 more 20 mg oxycontin... this is unreal... and they are very effective at this point for my kidney pain.

[ro3bot]

swim doesnt want to dip into ops business so feel free to ignore swim if hes outta line, but what was the reason for the lower dose? are they tryin to ween swiy off the narcotics or is swiy getting healthier or something?