Addiction - Ayahuasca for an ex addict?

[oggy]

Swim will be 6 weeks clean of 120mg methadone turkey this Friday, he was feeling great after about 5 days of a hellish withdrawal, he got a little taste of being spiritually enlightened but he got interrupted by the ambulance men and came out of his trip in the hospital that spoiled the whole spiritual experience. Swims feels that he's also getting fed up of all the material things in this physical money bound world, he can see the greed in others eyes when they talk about money and other material things. Bring on 2012

Swim watched the 'Ayahuasca, The Snake & I' videos and would like to do the whole, Ayahuasca shaman thing in south America. He's not too sure if he would want to do it here on his own.

Has anyone been to south America like in that video and taken ayahuasca with a shaman, could they pm Swim with details?

Also any places in the UK that do the same thing?

Swim can get ayahuasca from his local head shop so if he could find someone with experience to do it with then that would be an option but he would much love to go to the amazon. He was offered pure DMT to smoke a few years ago but wasn't ready for it then, also I think Swim would prefer to do it the more natural way.

[oggy]

Swim got some yopo seeds and syrian rue. The guy said to smoke it together in a bong but Swim couldn't find anything on the net about smoking yopo and rue together.

Swim smoked 13 yopo seeds (without rue) in 30 minutes, he did feel something, sharpened vision, clear mind, bright colours and felt happy, then drifted off and dreamed at last. Since Swim has detoxed from downers he's had no dreams and I think its important to dream.

Swim is asking if it would be safe to try smoking yopo and rue together and if anyone has a method then could you please share?

Swim has read about snuff and doesn't really like the idea of putting a gram up each nostril of plant matter and baking soda.

Any tips for an Ogg?

[69Ron]

SWIM has reached visionary states from 5 hits in a bong with JUST GROUND SEEDS. Adding rue or caapi will make the effects more like ayahuasca and they’ll be about 3 times stronger and last a little longer. It’s a very dreamy experience.

Yopo snuff is not very pleasant. SWIM tried that a few times and doesn’t like it.

SWIM says, "make a smokable extract". That avoids most of the unpleasant side effects of the snuff. Even snuffing an extract is unpleasant.

The shamans have used Banisteriopsis caapi with Yopo for hundreds of years. They usually chew on caapi while either snorting Yopo or smoking the seeds. Many shamans use just Yopo without the caapi because they usually have access to extremely potent fresh seeds. Most people out of the jungle rarely have access to such potent seeds.

SWIM tried smoking crushed Syrian rue seeds with a smokable Yopo extract and it works VERY WELL. The experience is ayahuasca like. But it’s better to use the rue orally. For best results, first take 3 grams of Syrian rue tea, or preferably 200 mg of harmine freebase orally (available on the web legally in most countries). Wait for about 30 minutes, and then smoke the Yopo seeds or a smokable Yopo extract. The effect is not as weird as ayahuasca, and probably easier for most people to handle.

For inducing dreams, I recommend 100 mg of harmaline freebase before bedtime. It works wonders. Harmaline is more of a sedative than harmine and is great for that purpose. The Yopo trip with harmaline instead of harmine is more relaxed. You can easily fall asleep on that combo.

69Ron added 35 Minutes and 29 Seconds later...

One thing SWIM forgot to mention: DON'T TAKE YOPO ORALLY! And especially not with rue, caapi, etc.

The only times shamans ever took Yopo orally was in extremely small amounts mixed with alcohol, and never with caapi or ayahuasca. There’s a reason for that.

The experience from a visionary dose of oral yopo is VERY UNPLEASANT and even worse when mixed with caapi or rue. The combo causes constant vomiting, pressure in the body, etc., and very little visual effects. Erowid has reports of such combinations and if you read them you’ll see that it’s pretty guaranteed to make you feel really sick.

SWIM likes yopo a lot, and tried it orally a few times. Very tiny amounts are pleasant, but if you take enough to have a little bit of visuals, you’ll be nauseated and vomiting through the whole experience. It’s definitely not an herb that is good orally.

Smoking is the best way to use Yopo unless you like using drugs intrarectally.

Yopo is apparently most pleasant when in as a suppository, which is the method used by some shamans. This method seems to bypass all the side effects for some reason. But most people, including SWIM, are not interested in taking suppositories. Out of curiosity, SWIM tried a Yopo extract once as a suppository, and it works VERY WELL. It was the BEST PSYCHEDELIC TRIP SWIM EVER HAD (and SWIM’s tried all the major psychedelics there are). But SWIM is never doing that again. He doesn’t like suppositories.

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[podge]

Im not sure what the current legal situation is in Britain.....but swims heard of Ibogaine treatment sessions which were held legally in in Britain, im not sure if Ibogaine has been since scheduled. But it may be something to keep in mind.

[69Ron]

Ibogaine sounds fascinating, and should be good for this type of situation. It's primarily a psychedelic used to treat drug addiction and to give a person insight into themselves and the world around them. It can be a life changing experience. It produces visuals effects, and has been described by a friend (who was lucky enough to try it legally) as an ayahuasca like visionary experience.

My friend says the effects last a very long time. It’s several days before you’re back to normal. So you need a week or so of vacation time to do it. And you probably want a sitter around.

It has the ability to reset the brain’s neurotransmitters back to normal, leaving the individual free of neurotransmitter imbalances caused by drugs. At least that’s one theory.

If it was legally available in your area I would give that a try. I know that several countries have banned it: US, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, and Switzerland.

It’s likely that just ONE TRIP with Ibogaine will bring your dreams back to normal permanently.

For a quite fix to bring dreams back, I think Ibogaine might be inconvenient because of it’s long duration.

YOPO is also likely to work but not as permanently. It contains about a dozen alkaloids that affect that portion of the brain from slightly different pathways.

Only one single 100 mg tablet of Harmaline freebase taken on an empty stomach before bed time is also very likely to do the trick. Harmaline is legal in most parts of the world. Harmaline is specifically a dream inducing sedative that is mildly psychedelic. It’s what’s found in Syrian rue mostly. It’s close relative, Harmine, also induces dreams but is somewhat of a stimulant. This is what Banisteriopsis caapi mostly contains.

SWIM has used Harmaline freebase as a sleep aid many times and found it produces dozens of dreams.

The psychedelic sedative LSA is also good for this purpose, if a low dose is used. LSA is unfortunately illegal in many places. The only good source for this are HBWR seeds, and they also contain LSH which is a LSD-like stimulant that’ll keep you up all night.

69Ron added 31 Minutes and 6 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by oggy

He was offered pure DMT to smoke a few years ago but wasn't ready for it then, also I think Swim would prefer to do it the more natural way.

Smoking DMT (and especially 5-MeO-DMT) is too freaky for most people. I'd stay away from DMT until you have lots of experience with similar less freaky psychedelics. Even long time psychedelic enthusiasts that are used to the effects of DMT occasionally get extremely frightening experiences from it.

Yopo is much more friendly to smoke than pure DMT. Yopo contains DMT along with a large mix of alkaloids that are similar to DMT, but friendlier, and it even has some harmala like compounds, giving it a slight ayahuasca feel. When smoking Yopo, bad trips are very uncommon.

You need to make the Anadenanthera seeds into Yopo first before smoking them. If you smoke the plain seeds as is, they aren't as effective.

There are many ways to turn the seeds into highly active Yopo. The simplest modern method is to cover the seeds in pure clear ammonia and let that sit for about 30 minutes and then fan dry it or dry it in an oven at about 125 F (51.6 C).

Another more traditional method is to mix 3 parts seeds to one part pickling lime (food grade calcium hydroxide) and enough water to form a paste. Let it sit about 2 hours, keeping it moist and kneading it occasionally, and then let it dry.

Baking soda can also be used instead of pickling lime in the same way. But many report it doesn’t work quite as well.

Basically these Yopo preparations freebase the alkaloids making them more smokable. The difference between smoking (or snuffing) plain seeds, and freebased seeds is quite dramatic.

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Thanks for your replies Ron. Swim tried to make snuff with edible lime and baking soda, he roasted 20 seeds, took the outer coat off, blended them, mixed with water and baking soda, dried some and smoked with no real effects, tried it as snuff with no real effects apart from a sense of well being (probably placebo). Next day went out and got some edible lime, mixed with the rest of the snuff he made the day before and left for another day to dry, snuffed to big lines and his eyes were watering like he was crying, felt a little of body rush that was nice and the tiniest bit of altered vision (maybe placebo?).

Swim is soaking the rest of his seeds so the shells pop off, he is thinking maybe the heat when roasting could have smoked all the goodness out of them?

He really wants to find a way to make it work but in a pleasant way. He has PH up (potassium hydroxide) and PH down (??) from his hydroponics kit. He's read about making a PH of 3 with water and PH down and yopo, then using calcium hydroxide to increase to PH 12? Then wash with alcohol, dry then snuff.

He doesn't want to make a mega strong extraction that blows him away (well maybe he will if he enjoys it). And there is no rush, taking one step at a time is fine and a weaker extraction will do for now.

He will try making the snuff 'without' roasting them, make it into a paste with water, add calcium hydroxide, mix and leave over night to dry. If this doesn't work can he make the rest of the powder into an extract?

oggy added 72 Minutes and 49 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by podge

Im not sure what the current legal situation is in Britain.....but swims heard of Ibogaine treatment sessions which were held legally in in Britain, im not sure if Ibogaine has been since scheduled. But it may be something to keep in mind.

Swim can get Ibogaine, he tried it once for fun and it was not fun, but he may be interested in trying it now. He never took enough and he still couldn't move, and it took a few days to recover.

Resetting neurotransmitters may be good as Swim has been depressed, anxious and happy from his ecstasy pill popping days. A few times he took far too many and got these electric shocks in his head for a few days it was like his brain was miss firing.

Swim thinks that if your unhappy and anxious constantly your brains neurotransmitters get used to functioning in that way and will automatically connect to the unhappy, anxious and fear transmitters when anything happens so it becomes harder to be happy. A reset may be the best way to go. Swim also believes you create your own heaven & hell and if you constantly see things as being bad then your heading in a downward spiral of hell, and the only way out is to climb back out. Ibogaine may speed this process up and it may seem hellish for a while but the end result would definitely be worth it.

Hmm time to research Ibogaine. Swim isn't doing this in fear of taking heroin again, but so he can read all of his HeLpMeEsCaPe thread and feel comfortable with himself as just now it brings back negative thoughts of fear and hate towards himself, and its like trying to work out a puzzle/maze that he can't escape.

Swim feels that he's done well and should be patting himself on the back, he is happy but these negatives sometimes pop back into his head. A job would help then he could achieve positive things but its still going to be about 6 months till he gets his driving licence back and with his trade a licence is required.

Swim found some betel nut in his house, he's chewing some now with edible lime and he's getting little waves of euphoria and warmth. Its also good for Swims fasting, he wants to re-do his diet from scratch with more whole raw foods. Cooking food too much destroys the amino acids that replenish the neurotransmitters and a fast is always good to get rid of unwanted toxins. Swim had been eating too much red meats, not good for the soul.

[oggy]

Damn it, Swim has bunk yopo!! He's tried every method/extraction on this forum with 0 results. He's ordered a new batch from a US shop that's selling them for growing use. So these ones should be nice and fresh. Hopefully!!

Here's the description.

Anadenanthera Colubrina is an attractive perennial tree growing to 50 feet in the wild but which is also pruned to manageable sizes and grown in cultivation. A. colubrina is native to the grasslands of the southern Andes where it has been used by various tribes to make a snuff called “Cebil,” which was a part of their mythology and divination practices. Archaeological find have uncovered evidence of such practices dating back to ancient times, and they are said to continue today. This species is characterized by mimosa-type leaves with white to yellow flowers and knotty bark. Flowering can reportedly occur after just two years of growth. It is not frost hardy and should be kept as a greenhouse plant or grown indoors during the winter in areas where freezing is prevalent.

Growing Information:

The most important thing to keep in mind when growing A. colubrina is that the seeds are quite susceptible to rot. As long as you avoid overwatering, this should not be a big problem. One method of germination is to sow the seeds on their sides (not flat) so that the top of the seed is level with the soil line. The seed will split open and the plant will emerge from the center of the split sides. Keep warm and moist, but not wet. Some growers recommend germinating in non-organic matter such as sand or perlite, but this is not essential. Along these lines, seeds may be germinated in moist sand in a plastic zipper baggie. During germination, chestnut compound may be used to prevent damping off. Planting with peas or other legumes is said to be beneficial. Once established, provide full sun and allow the soil to dry out between waterings.

The picture advertised on their site. Swims ones were darker and looked smaller. Should they look more like this?