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Old 22-09-2005, 03:45
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first off, if you don't know, triple stacks does not mean shit. its a
gimmick and it really works on a lot of dumb people. im so sick of
people telling me they can get me triple stacks. unfortunately for the
world, if you are a smart ecstasy dealer, you will market all your
pills as triple stacks and make money. thus every damn pill you buy
can't just be called by its name, it has to have that bothersome little
"triple stack" tacked on to the end. i wish the drug community could
just agree to forget that stupid term, but of course it won't happen
because people who are new to ecstasy will always get taken in by the
gimmick.

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Old 22-09-2005, 05:54
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Dealers look for everything to make more money. I just wish more
of their ideas were as benign as this little 'triple stacked'
ploy. Instead they fill their pills with DXM, caffeine, meth, K,
PCP (rarely), PMA, or if your lucky one of the other MDXAs. If
drug dealers could just replace the lacing agents with some lies about
its size etc. SWIM would be a very happy SWIM.



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Old 22-09-2005, 17:30
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SWIM's guilty of creating drug-dealing gimmicks himself. If he knows that the customer knows jack shit about what he's selling him, SWIM will skive him for every penny he has for not taking the time to research what they're getting. SWIM has used the triple stack bullshit, have claimed he's had pills directly imported from Amsterdam and has even dipped pills in blue food colouring to give them a more impressive appearance. He's a cruel bastard, what can I say?

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Old 22-09-2005, 19:58
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dunno , it depends really. i had a a triple and it fucked me up for like 9 hours lol
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Old 22-09-2005, 20:08
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that is why SWIM doesnt buy anything anymore, for the most part



you make stuff yourself, you have a less chance of getting caught, and you know exactly what is in everything



SWIM only sells to his immediate friends, and charges them exactly what
it cost SWIM, not even any costs for the time spent making





and if that isn't an option for you... as the old cliche goes, know your drug, don't let yourself get used


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Old 23-04-2006, 14:16
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Stacked?

Ok, well a friend is telling me he knows some guy who has "triple stacked" e, but me being a novice to this particular substance left me somewhat salty to the term. After searching around on the forum and google, it seems that its a marketing gimmick, but what exactly does an e pill being stacked mean?
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Old 23-04-2006, 14:48
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I've been told it means that it has 3 pills pressed in one if it's like say tripple stacked. I also say it is just a sales gimmick. Never noticed a difference in the stacked pills per say. Don't buy pills based on this. Just go with the e pills that you are sure have real mdma in them and not any other stuff. Make sure you know the dealer your going through is and he or she is trust worthy.
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Old 23-04-2006, 15:18
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Well SWIM doesn't know any dealers at all, SWIM just goes through SWIM's friend so SWIM guesses SWIM would have to just trust him. Hopefully he doesn't get stuff thats cut with powered glass, and/or bleach.
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Old 23-04-2006, 20:18
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SWIM was under the same conclusion that triple stracked means there are three pills stacked together into one. He has gotten pills that were sold to him as triple stack and they were significantly larger than normal pills and got him significantly more fucked up.

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Using the advanced search engine at ecstasydata.org, one will find that the largest pills tested by the project have been, over time, rather consistently the most likely to be adulterated by other substances than MDMA, or to contain none at all.
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Stacks mean nothing. The size of the pill means nothing. The logo on the pill means nothing. The color of the pill means nothing.

Tripple stack is tripple crap. Triple stacks normally arent even three times the size of the smallest pills. At most, they are about 1.5-2 times the size of the smallest pills.

bigger pills could POTENTIALLY store more chemicals but this is normally not the case. The smallest pills have enough room for a high dose of mdma. If a pill weighs only 200mg, then it obviously has to contain less than 20mg of mdma. If a pill is 300mg the it could easily have 200++MG so bigger sized pills can in theory be much stronger than smaller pills but this is almost never the case. Normally the extra weight is taken up either by binders or worse, by adulterants.

SWIM has seen some triple stacked pills that were bomb but he has seen even more single stacked pills that were bomb.
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Old 24-04-2006, 08:54
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Way back in the day, the "stack" did mean something. In the past a single pill would be 30-50mg of mdma. A double stack would be 50-100mg, and a "triple" stack was 100-150mg+ of mdma.

Of course in the last 5 years or so these terms have no meaning other than a way to upsell a pill.
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Old 25-05-2006, 03:39
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Tripple stack is just like double dippld with LSD, complete BS. If a person wanted to make stronger XTC pills he wouldn't press 3 pills. He would just make the pills he presses stronger. He would just add a higher % MDMA. Ditto for double dipped LSD.

The idea of triple stack and double dip works cause most people have little knowledge of how drugs are manufactored and thus can not see the absurdity of such notions.
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Stack difference?

SWIM is wondering what triple stacked, double stacked, and so forth means. His friend also recently aquired some pills and they looked pretty thick( thicker then ones he has gotten before) SWIM was wondering also if you can tell just from sight how a pill is stacked.
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Re: Stack difference?

i believe from other posts that its just a sales gimmick but theres been a few who have said they felt a difference in pills
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Old 07-12-2006, 02:06
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Re: Stack difference?

The idea is that the thicker the pill the more MDMA it has in it but swim believes there is little to no difference between the different stacks. Swim would agree that for the most part it's just a sales gimmick.
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Old 07-12-2006, 16:42
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Re: Stack difference?

Marketing gimmick indeed. I wouldn't suspect a triple stacked pill would have anymore MDMA/MDA in it than any other random ecstasy pill, more likely it would contain more contaminants and filler if anything.
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Re: Stack difference?

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Marketing gimmick indeed. I wouldn't suspect a triple stacked pill would have anymore MDMA/MDA in it than any other random ecstasy pill, more likely it would contain more contaminants and filler if anything.
SWIF follows this line of thought, generally the bigger and thicker the pill the more other crap that comes along with it hence the dirtier the pill. That said SWIF has had both large and small pills that have been awesome. It's so difficult to tell too due to the change of environment and mindset at the time affecting the experience.
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Old 19-03-2007, 19:48
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Double-Stack, man

"These are triple-stack, man.." Bullshit.

Dealers are business people who use marketing terms to sell their products, just like McDummys's and BurgerKrap and Ecoli-in-the-Box. Due to the illegality of these substances however, the marketing terms made by drug dealers aren't held accountable to "false-advertising laws" and fact-checks.

There was a time, years ago, before every kid and club-goer started selling pills, that certain terms DID mean something. There used to be a day, where a dealer had actual knowledge of the terms and used them properly.

In the early 90's, when ecsacy was first hitting the club scene where pills were stronger and cleaner, it wasn't unlikely to get stronger pills that were actually "stacked."

What the marketing terms USED to mean...

Single Stack = 100mg MDMA
Double Stack = 150mg MDMA (or 100mg MDMA, 50mg MDA)
Tripple Stack = 200mg MDMA (or 150mg MDMA, 50mg MDA, sometimes caffiene as well)

BUT IN TODAY's MARKET, these terms mean NOTHING. They are simply marketing terms. With bulk loads of boats (a boat is 1000 ecstacy) being produced by many differant organizations now, and being distributed all over, and mimicking each others designed... there is now way a user-level dealer could honestly tell you what is in their pill, unless they tested that specific batch themselves. (which most do not.) And even if they tested the pills, they do not know the QUANITY of what is in the pill... just an idea of what is in the mix.

The average pill in today's market contains an average of only 50mg of MDMA and often times many other actives, to seem stronger. (such as meth, dxm, bzp, etc.) The size of the pill means nothing anymore either.

So, in this day in age, if somebody is trying to sell swiy pills refered to as "double-stack" or one of the other marketing terms then swiy should be very concerned. It's possible the dealer is ignorant and is just repeating the marketing term givin to them, or they gave the term to their current batch themselves. Either way, they are ignorant to be using the useless marketing terms, or just trying to make a sell assuming you are ignorant. Pesonally, swip wouldn't want to support their behavior either way and would refuse to buy from the uneducated or over-abmitious sales person.

Swip for one would encourage all the swimmers out there to boycot the use of these marketing terms. If enough swiy's stopped buying when those terms are used as a sales-pitch, and made known the reason why the purchase isn't being made, then perhaps the marketing terms will stop.


So, stop listening to marketing terms, and stop depending on the picture and color of the pill to figure out what it is or how strong it is. If swiy can afford the pills, then there is no reason why swiy can't buy a marquies reagent pill test kit. (enough to test up to 50 pills can be obtained for about the price of 1 pill.)

When swiy gets pills, test them, and figure out the streangth by just taking 1 or a half of one at first.

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Thanks for clearing that up. I'll be able to explain it to others in future.
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Old 19-03-2007, 22:57
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Re: Double-Stack, man

I have no doubt that the terms themselves carry little weight, but wouldnt it make more sense for the dealer to label pills he experienced as being strong double/triple stack, rather then assign random names to anything? I can understand the marketing benefits of it, but if hes lying then itll be a one-off benefit in return for long-term loss. While if you think youre buying triple stack and get a stronger buzz (triple or otherwise), your going to go back to him. I dont really know what point Im trying to make though. Maybe that the world aint that bad a place? In that case, forget everything I just said.
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Re: Double-Stack, man

Swim has to say that he was severely disappointed by the quality of Ecstasy tablets in the US. Europe wasn't bad, had its ups and downs. The Middle-East was incredible surprisingly enough, and it wasn't the Euro imported pills that were the best either! The tablets in the US have been sketchy for the most part, with the Mid-West being the absolute worst place to try to find any. Its insane how much bunk, misrepresented (piperazines, ketamine), or extremely weak stuff comes around the Detroit area. East coast seems to have some good spots, and swim has heard decent things about some Cali stuff. Otherwise he isn't liking E in the US at the moment. Just not worth the money and effort unless swim can get fairly legit stuff and buy in small quantity so price isn't crippling. Agh.....
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Re: Double-Stack, man

Try this:

Go to www.ecstasydata.org.

Click on the "tablet size" column, so that the results are sorted by pill size, then click it again so that the results are sorted with the largest pills first.

Notice anything?

From the data available there, one quickly sees that the larger the pill is, it becomes more and more statisticly likely that it will be adulterated or fake.

A simple rule of thumb that SWIM has always followed with success is to always assume that the person selling you drugs is either ignorant or a liar.

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Incredble pick up on the big ones being fake... I'm embarressed to say I never would've picked up on that

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Re: Double-Stack, man

I couldn't agree more with this message. It seems so many kids in my area think that because some dude uses a 'test-kit' to test the purity of the rolls, they think that the dude knows the purity, and has grounds to claim whether the rolls are single, double or triple stacks.

People almost don't believe me when I tell them that using one of those test-kits determines only what substances are inside the pill, NOT how much there is of the substance. It could be 10mg or 150mg, and the tester would have no idea.

If someone mentions this around people who deal, he or she's going to get some cold shoulders or awkward situations. No dealer wants to look stupid when it comes to what he's pushing. It is perhaps for this reason that dealers have fallen into the groove of repeating these lies just to save face. If everyone were to believe something to be true, then it will be true...
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Re: Double-Stack, man

Write up a leaflet describing the definition of qualitative and quantitative analysis and why it's impossible for a test-kit to perform quantitative.

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