Injecting - TONS of air in barrel when filtering!!!

[blackdb1]

So swim knows he should not be IV'ing drugs but has been experimenting recently cause of shortage in amounts of opiates he can obtain. So the past couple days swim has not been able to get a shot cause he keeps getting air in the barrel and is only pulling maybe half a cc of water out of the 3cc's he put in the spoon???

Swims technique is put the oxycodone in a spoon and stir

after the color of the mixture is consistent he drops a cigg filter in

now when he puts the needle in the filter and draws back he gets TONS of air before he can get ANY LIQUID TO COME IN THE BARREL!!!

This is very irritating to swim cause he knows that the first couple times the CLEAR SOLUTION would come right into the barrel!!!

One factor is swims now using the Actavis 5mg tabs instead of the ethex capsules he was using at first. He wonders if the actavis are tamper proof? Maybe thats why a gel like substance is left in the spoon while a load of air sits in the barrel of his rig???

Swim is SUPPOSED to be going on bupe maintenance as of friday but the doc keeps bs'ing swim on when he'll call swim back!!! Swim really wants to slam one last time before going on maintenance! But will not do so if it is not safe!!!

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do some research

[fnord]

1.) Do not use a ciggerette filter,local needle exchanges have special cotton filter. if you must use anything else grandmas gotten good results from a lil ball of cotton off of a Q-tip.

2.)air can be pushed out by holding the needle pointy side up(carefull of your eyes)tapping the side untill all bubbles go to the top then slowly pushing up untill you see no more air.

I have no idea of the type of pill mentioned maybe someone else can add advice.

[OhCasey]

Do they make any immediate release oxy's that gel up? I can see it preventing abuse but I thought they only did that on time release oxy's.

[runfrom MURDER]

Originally Posted by blackdb1

So swim knows he should not be IV'ing drugs but has been experimenting recently cause of shortage in amounts of opiates he can obtain. So the past couple days swim has not been able to get a shot cause he keeps getting air in the barrel and is only pulling maybe half a cc of water out of the 3cc's he put in the spoon???

Swims technique is put the oxycodone in a spoon and stir

after the color of the mixture is consistent he drops a cigg filter in

now when he puts the needle in the filter and draws back he gets TONS of air before he can get ANY LIQUID TO COME IN THE BARREL!!!

This is very irritating to swim cause he knows that the first couple times the CLEAR SOLUTION would come right into the barrel!!!

One factor is swims now using the Actavis 5mg tabs instead of the ethex capsules he was using at first. He wonders if the actavis are tamper proof? Maybe thats why a gel like substance is left in the spoon while a load of air sits in the barrel of his rig???

Swim is SUPPOSED to be going on bupe maintenance as of friday but the doc keeps bs'ing swim on when he'll call swim back!!! Swim really wants to slam one last time before going on maintenance! But will not do so if it is not safe!!!

SWIM has been having this same problem with his Oxycodone 15mg IR (with no APAP).

All air, barely any solution! Read his thread that is above or under this one.

[Handle]

Yes, firstly, air goes in, air comes out. It's common getting it in there, what's important is tapping with the needle pointing up until it's all gone [careful not to lose your hit instead]

But the real problem seems to be, the stuff sounds too thick, like particles are stopping the liquid, so air is coming in instead.

I should mention this now [and wait for it, read to the end so you'll se I'm not preaching] injecting pills is a really bad idea, BUT before I lose your attention, let me tell you to get a wheel filter, also called a pill filter. It snaps on syringes and gets out all the fine and nasty stuff that fucks up your lungs.

Again, needle exchanges will be a source for this [hope you got access to one]

[Solinari]

Are we sure this is air, and not just a vacuum being formed? Air in a syringe really shouldn't be a problem, not difficult to get rid of. Some people can mistake a vacuum for air, this is just when nothing is getting drawn in to the syringe because something is blocking it.

Sounds to me like the solution is too thick and won't draw up, if it draws up slowly with air then repeated attempts are required, no big deal. If the solution is just too think or is blocking the needle immediately then something isn't right and it is not a good idea to stick that in a vein.

[Handle]

Yeah, when I wrote that, about "sounds too thick" I thought it could just be vacuum, but surely then if it was just vacuum and there wasn't any air at all it would just go away when the tension is released?
Then again, I have seen some filters send air up the barrel even when you draw from below the water line.
I think the fibres can conduct air like capillary action in reverse.

And yes, it's then the thickness that becomes a worry, hence the suggestion about a pill filter.

Seriously, they might have changed the recipe.

[blackdb1]

Swim finally figured out a technique that successfully works!!! However the other night swim was VERY STUPID and decided to shoot up .5mgs of xanax (alprazolam). When he entered the vein he could not register at all!!! He kept poking and finally some blood came onto the barrel but not by pulling back the plunger it just went in? so swim pushed the plunger and felt it strongly so knows he hit the vein!

His question is about air coming into the syringe while inserted in the vein? He would slide in the vein and pull back and it was difficult to pull back and was only getting air??? He like said above eventually when blood shot in the barrel pushed the plunger! STUPID!

blackdb1 added 8 Minutes and 52 Seconds later...

Swim finally figured out a technique to get the solution just right! However the other night swim was intoxicated and made the DUMB decision of shooting .5mgs of alprazolam (xanax)!!! He got a clear solution in the barrel and slid in the vein. When he tried registering only air was coming in??? He kept pokin trying to find a vein, even though he is 99% sure he was IN the vein!

Finally he poked in a vein, slid in and blood came into the barrel but not by pulling the plunger! He STUPIDLY slammed the solution in and felt it a second later so knows he hit a vein! Afterwards he was looking at the rig he used and realised when pulling the plunger back that somehow vacuum was pulling the plunger back down instantly??? He wonders if the needle wasn't bent, faulty or what? He really wants to know why he wasn't able to register??? Could something have happened to his vein causing it to not be able to register anymore???

Any advice is appreciated and swim knows what he did was stupid but wanst to know next time he goes to shoot something that he can successfully register and whatnot!!! Thanks in advance for any replies!!!

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Good, honest. But be careful.

[Solinari]

When you insert a properly attached needle in to the skin, regardless if it's for a vein or muscle, there really should be no opportunity for air to get in to the syringe, it just should not happen.

A vacuum WILL form unless it is in a blood vessel, and then it should be checked to be sure that vessel is a vein. My fiend has never had blood forced in to his syringe, but i suppose with a tourniquet it might be possible. However, apparently this can happen with an artery without the presence of a tourniquet. There is a saying i have read, "if it's pink stop and think, if it's red go ahead". By pink this really means bright red blood which can only come from an artery and by red this means dark red that comes from a vein.

The other thing is the angle of insertion, it is not being inserted perpendicular to the vein is it? It should be at an angle of 45° at most, my fiend probably goes less than 45 degrees but it depends on the area.

The last thing i can suggest is to look at A Guide to Safer Injecting and see if that gives any new information. I probably should mention that this was written for UK drug users and not all the information applies, particularly the use of acids for heroin, other things may differ as well, so double check if there is any doubt.

[Handle]

I should say this here, does anyone else know this???

Your swim ever had that funny thing, when you try a couple times for it to hit right, it won't hit right, you keep getting vacuum, the plunger sucks itself back down, but then without any good explanation you notice blood, but it won't draw,
it's just like a little mystery spot of blood, right down the bottom, just in the very tip of the barrel but if anyone's ever seen this weird event, you know 100% that it does not mean you've actually hit the vein right.

What is that? What's going on there? And where does the tiny little spot of blood come from that appears in the tip of the barrel, is it perhaps just a random bit of blood in the tissue that the vacuum yanked out or what?

I think it might be that you get a bit of blood when the barrel was still at slightly low pressure. But definitely not the same as hitting an artery. I've heard that is unmistakable, because it is so painful, and can bleed very intensely and worryingly. And I hear from a doctor it is also very difficult to hit an artery by mistake, since they are mostly well guarded.

What I'm talking about sounds like what my swim has observed on rare occasions, just a little mystery spot of blood, but my swim would DEFINITELY never shoot at that moment, because he knows it really isn't right, and it's a miracle to me your fiend didn't
get a big nasty lump out of that leap of faith [and even more of a miracle that your fiend got a hit]

[Solinari]

It probably would be just a random bit of blood, or the tip has just pierced the end or a smaller vessel, but i know exactly what is meant my fiend has seen it many times especially when trying new sites, definitely don't go at that point. When it's in, then it's in, and drawing back should be a possibility at any point during the injection.

There are times where a needle can be in a vein yet blood is not being drawn back, this is usually when the eye is against the wall of the vessel and there is an almost valve effect where drawing will suck the eye against the wall and there will be little to no drawback, this will be more common with smaller vessels but should only happen on occasion. The other times is where a blockage occurs and the suction of the syringe isn't enough to break it but pushing down on the syringe will, this can happen when there is difficulty with finding veins with multiple insertions and opportunity for blood to congeal. I have seen this in other users with one user trying to find a vein on another (my fiend has been that other user trying to find one) and it really is not a pretty site. If finding veins was never a problem to begin with but recently it's starting to become a problem, then seriously, this is where a drug users career is coming to an end (slowly but surely) and something has to be done to save what veins they have, or even their life.

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Yep I know that effect all right.

[Handle]

Oh god, don't get me started on the [tragic] sight of a poor old desperate druggie who is trying to inject, literally, into their fucking fingers because every other vessel more than 1mm across is ripped to pieces and totally collapsed.
That shit is fucking tragic and disgusting, I feel sorry for them, but lord god I hope I don't end up like that. Something i never want to see again. Over and over, blood everywhere, this don't work, that don't work, tears and a wimpering sound, the barrel ends up totally opaque with black blood but it goes on and on.

Horrible.