how to free base?

[zipoo]

i read that 5 meo dmt is best smoked in free base form. on erowid there's an artcile on how to turn hcl powder into smokeable free base.


does anyone have an easeir way of freebasing it?


or canonesmoke or ingetsed it in it's hcl powder and still get results?

[GDxCAT]

all 5meo-dmt that you buy from rc suppliers is already a freebase.
Edited by: GDxCAT

[QGdoxl]

what if for example you had another chem and wanted to try to turn it
to free base to smoke how is that done? i dunno say like
2c-whatever?

[hippie_lain]

...........I read once that you can rock them....baking soda(everyone knows that one) but depending on the chemical the freebase could be the oils that come out and not the rocks. Had a friend that used this method to freebase DPT and put the oils on weed. He said it works ok but i wouldnt try it.

[sunyata]

Swim made freebase by dissolving 60 mg 5-meo-Dipt in a jar with 100 ml of water, increased the ph to 11 with ammonia, added 40-50ml of naphta, closed the lid and shook the hell out of it. Waited until the emulsions had settled and removed the layer of naphta with a pipette. Filled another 50ml of naphta into the jar to get the last of the stuff. Evaporated the naphta, some water had gotten into it and needed low heat to be evaporated. What was left was a soft substance that was easily smoked in a pipe.

[sunyata]

Swim found a better way last night. He dissolved 50mg of 5-Meo-Dipt in a spoon filled with liquid ammonia, heated it until it formed freebase crystals. If you have any experience making cocaine freebase, this is the same procedure. It was a lot easier than the above mentionednaphta extraction and yielded solidwhite crystals, whereas the naphta method yielded a more greenishlooking, semi-liquid substance.

[QGdoxl]

Does swim suppose that method could be used with any HCI?

[sunyata]

Swim doesn't know. He will probably try the procedure on AMT as well, he'll let you know how it works out.

[zipoo]

Originally Posted by sunyata

Swim found a better way last night. He dissolved 50mg of 5-Meo-Dipt in a spoon filled with liquid ammonia, heated it until it formed freebase crystals. If you have any experience making cocaine freebase, this is the same procedure. It was a lot easier than the above mentionednaphta extraction and yielded solidwhite crystals, whereas the naphta method yielded a more greenishlooking, semi-liquid substance.

thanks for teh info. can you be a bit more specific for those who haven't made rock before, or refrence to a site that ha sthat info.

[sunyata]

It's very simple, actually:


Dissolve the hcl in a spoon with ammonia, heat it while using a pin to stir it around a little bit, when it reaches a certain temperature it will melt. When it melts you stop heating it anduse the pin to collect it, it will gather in lumps around the pin. Place the rocks on a coffe-filter, the filter will suck out the wetness. Some people like to evaporate all the ammonia and then collect the crystals, but I haven't tried this, and i think it might be difficult to scrape it all out of the spoon afterwards. I really don't know how to explain it more elaborately, you'll just have to try with a small amount and see how it works. Swim learned the technique years ago from a friend who was heavily into freebasing coke. Erowid probably has some info on how to make cocaine freebase.






Edited by: sunyata

[QGdoxl]

Thanks a bunch . I never really got into the coke don't really like it never tried to rock/freebase it

[sunyata]

Don't like coke either, except for the taste when freebasing. Imagine my delight when I found that 5-meo-Dipt had the same taste.

[zipoo]

Originally Posted by GDxCAT

most 5meo-dmt that you buy from rc suppliers is already a freebase.

thnaks for that info. swim has had some laying around and was convinced that it was hcl and needed to be converted to base, but now knows better.

[zipoo]

thnaks


here is soem more info from erowid


http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=2348

Originally Posted by sunyata

It's very simple, actually:


Dissolve the hcl in a spoon with ammonia, heat it while using a pin to stir it around a little bit, when it reaches a certain temperature it will melt. When it melts you use the pin to collect it, it will gather in lumps around the pin. Place the rocks on a coffe-filter, the filter will suck out the wetness. Some people like to evaporate all the ammonia and then collect the crystals, but I haven't tried this, and i think it might be difficult to scrape it all out of the spoon afterwards. I really don't know how to explain it more elaborately, you'll just have to try with a small amount and see how it works. Swim learned the technique years ago from a friend who was heavily into freebasing coke. Erowid probably has some info on how to make cocaine freebase.

[HippieD9]

How was the experiance with the smoked forms? SWIM is thinking of trying this with 4-ho-dipt, any ideas/thoughts?





Peace,


D.

[GDxCAT]

i would suggest you check what the melting point of iprocin is before attempting to freebase it.

That might end up being a waste of a wonderful chemical.

[QGdoxl]

oh I didn't realize that chems can melt at a low enough temp to not freebase em.



Learn somthing everyday

[sunyata]

You should be able to make a freebase of most alkaloids with the naphta method without using any heat, but the product(fromSwimsexperience with 5-meo-Dipt) will be less pure.Not allsubstances are best to smoke as a freebase,I heard methwas better to smoke as hcl than base. And there probably are some alkaloids that simply can't be smoked, or would be comfortable to smoke.Smoking a substanceis usually a lot more intense than dropping it, so one should be careful whensmoking something that no one else has tried smoking. But you guys probablyknow this.

[QGdoxl]

yes indeed.



I have been trying ways to make a stash last a bit longer, as well as
experimenting with administration types, the buzz, the length, and if
it is wirth wihile.

[GDxCAT]

QGoxl, you should look into plugging. Doses are usually lower with a quicker come up.

[QGdoxl]

Originally Posted by GDxCAT

QGoxl, you should look into plugging. Doses are usually lower with a quicker come up.

now do you mean IV? cause I am a bit nervous there but am no stranger to SC injections being a diabetic.



do you happen to know of a good info sorce? I have been on eworid
for a long time now but unfortujnatly there isn't much on there unless
you are looking at herion, ketemine not too much on RC's

[GDxCAT]

no not IV, i actually mean disolving the chem in a bit of water or alcohol and puting it in an enema and "taking it up the ass"

[allyourbase]

freebasing 101


dissolve in polar solvent


add NaOH or some other highly base material in solution


add a nonpolar solvent


the alkaloids unhook from their salts and become nonpolar, as such they are then soluable in the nonpolar solvent. you just seperate the nonpolar layer, leave behind the emulsification, emaciate and viola.

[GoaM]

Originally Posted by zipoo

thnaks for that info. swim has had some laying around and was convinced that it was hcl and needed to be converted to base, but now knows better.

Hey there SWIY. SWIM has a half gram vial of 5-meo-dmt. SMIM has noticed that the color of the crystals is yellowish. SWIM thinks if SWIY looks at HIS crystals and sees they are also a yellowish color, HE would be assured they are already in freebase form. SWIM sends HIS best wishes to SWIY and hopes SWIY has a breakthrough experience.


P.S. SWIM has really enjoyed this. Reminds SWIM of the HIVE. Perhaps SWIM should be more paranoid now. LOL

[allyourbase]

"plugging" 5meoDMT? would that be a viable vector? I would think that if its destroyed by the MAO action of the intestine closer to the stomach. the same would also be true of the lower intestine... either way....Id rather insufflate and deal with the drips than take a psychedelic enema