GHB Sleep compared to Heroin sleep?

[Milk man]

SWIM wants to know how sleep induced from GHB compares to sleep that occurs when you fall asleep on heroin-smoked (swim not sure if it matters the form of administration). SWIM got very very good sleep on heroin and woke up all refreshed and not tired one bit. Swim does not feel refreshed when falling asleep high on weed, just falls asleep like a rock.

[trptamene]

Swim has taken ghb doses for sleep & with 8 hours wakes slightly drowsy but within 10 minutes and taking a minute to put in his contacts* this goes away and he feels refreshed.

Swim has never taken H for this purpose, but feels he has insufflated doses that if he wanted to use for sleep would be appropriate and does not feel that sleep on this would not be nearly as recooperating in comparison to g. Maybe it is just swim though, he has never been able to sleep on opiates (esp at higher doses) he may go into some semi-conscious state, but is not asleep by any means.

[Milk man]

Swim passed off into a semi-conscious state and had weird dreams, like swim was at school and didn't do the homework so the teacher was mad. Then swim's Dad knocked on door and woke swim up so swim said he was just really tired and went to bed. Swim felt awesome the next morning.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Nothing on earth is like h sleep,well or opium sleep in general.Swim doesn't know alot about ghb but he knows nothing can compare to going to sleep in opium land.

[EarlGrayUK]

Apparently GHB sleep is like REM sleep, the best kind of sleep. Don't know anything about H sleep.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

H sleep is odd.You can nod out on h and be out for two hours and it feel like ten minutes.And the dreams are so intense!Like an IMAX movie in your mind.

[Lehendakari]

GHB sleep can be nod-like too, depending on the dose, as for sleep purpouses opiates would be my last choice. The nod is fun but no refreshing in SWIM's experience.

[Milk man]

Swim wants to know if GHB sleep is deeply refreshing and if swim would feel groggy in the morning.

[trptamene]

GHB sleep has been deeply refreshing and most swims report little gogginess w/ reasonable doses. Swim takes 2-3g ghb to sleep and wakes fine most the time w/ 8 hrs asleep. Sometimes slight grogginess...but this is more just dont wanna get out of bed kuz are comfortable...after taking a minute and waking up this goes away.

Eat a banana to compensate for the sodium and the sugar will give a lil energy boost. Will be a fine day I tell you.

[Milk man]

Would GHB produce signs of addiction if used for sleeping purposes? Swim does not have sleeping problems. It seems with narcoleptic that they do not produce signs of addiction.
Also, would tolerances be produced from using GHB for sleeping purposes.

Swim would like to thank everybody so far who has answered Swims questions.

[trptamene]

here is a thread on GHB and sleep ...it is a few years old and has few posts but looks like some ppl have experiences in it

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15232

here is a thread on ghb addiction http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43390

the elephants have used it up to a few nites per weeks w/ no noticable addiction or increased tolerance. There is a lot of info you may be looking for in the GHB forum, you can tak advantage of the "search this forum" feature within the ghb forum to get information quicker. The "search titles only" function can be useful also.

[MrG]

GHB, as mentioned, provides quality slow wave sleep.

According to research, opiate users suffer from very poor quality sleep initially even though they may think otherwise. It is more to do with the impact of the opiates on the physiology than anything else.

Apparently though, once a user has developed a certain tolerance level, they pass this fitful sleep stage and can acheive "normal" sleep patterns again.

But this "normal" sleep is in now way the same as a GHB induced sleep. It simply means that their physiology has stabilised enough to the opiate use that they can manage regular type sleep patterns.

[Milk man]

Originally Posted by MrG

GHB, as mentioned, provides quality slow wave sleep.

According to research, opiate users suffer from very poor quality sleep initially even though they may think otherwise. It is more to do with the impact of the opiates on the physiology than anything else.

Apparently though, once a user has developed a certain tolerance level, they pass this fitful sleep stage and can acheive "normal" sleep patterns again.

But this "normal" sleep is in now way the same as a GHB induced sleep. It simply means that their physiology has stabilised enough to the opiate use that they can manage regular type sleep patterns.

So swim was actually getting bad sleep that just felt refreshing from h?

[cabal]

GHB can have the sometimes very inappropriate effect of taking SWIY to sleep after est. 5-10 seconds of sitting down and relaxing.
A friend of SWIM nodded off for around 30 minutes and denied having slept for even a second when he was awake again. SWIM made that experience too after taking one a bit too high dose of GHB and nodding off in front of the PC. SWIM was waken up by two friends who came in by the backdoor ... but well:

When SWIM took GHB shortly before he went to sleep, he always realized that he had extremely realistic dreams and could remember very many details.
Opioid sleep was more like ... dropping off in the evening, waking up in the morning and being full of energy.
SWIM heard that GHB should have the same effect, but he can't agree with that. For him, GHB sleep always was like normal sleep with very lively and interesting dreams, not more energy in the morning than after normal sleep.

[MrG]

That's probably because the GHB was not being dosed correctly. The correct dosage (allowing for a couple of weeks titration for a new patient to reach the optimum dose) is this:

1 x 4.5g NaGHB taken just before sleep. This induces an extremely beneficial slow wave sleep cycle for a period of about 4 hours, after which the user, usually, awakens.
1 x 4.5g NaGHB taken after awakening from the first dose to induce another four hours of slow wave sleep cycle.

The patient then awakens after an average of 8 hours sleep, but this sleep, especially for adults who often lose the ability to maintain a full slow wave sleep cycle, is incredibly beneficial to the body on a number of levels.

Note: These doses should never be taken if the patient has consumed alcohol or any other CNS suppressor.

[raven3davis]

SWIM can't sleep well at all on heroin or on any opiates for that matter.

GHB puts him down for the count. SWIM hasn't used GHB specifically for sleep but after a night of G, he can sleep well and does not wake up groggy in the morning.

[Armaghetto]

SWIM feel the same way as the above post. GHB gives swim much better (and shorter sleep). A day before swim has to do something important then swim sometimes take a little recreational dose to have a good time and a good nights sleep.

Swim has always been lazy in the mornings and can easily sleep for 10-12 hours if nothing swim has nothing important to do the next day.

But with GHB use swim can sleep like 6 hours and then wake up next morning feeling sooo fresh and that's is a wonderful feeling swim does not experience many times without GHB use.
SWIM thinks GHB's has many recreationally and other uses when used with caution and awareness of addiction.

[BumpBump]

there is a known opiate insomnia and not all people can sleep on opiates including swim.... this is normally in intollerant users of opiates