Drug info - No-One Can Tell You How Many mcg Are On A Blotter

[dspy]

how do you figure out how many micrograms are in a hit? or how do you measure micro-grams?

[BA]

dspy,With a scale.


BA

[dspy]

what sort of scales? and if its on blotter how do you measure?

[BA]

dspy, sorry about that last post


A single tab usually contains between 30 - 100 ug of LSD.LSD measured in micrograms (ug). Micrograms are 1/1,000,000 of a gram. Because of the method used to make blotter tabs, there is no practical way to know the exact dosage of a particular tab without either trying it or knowing the chemist


BA

[Cheefin]

i took 1 lsd tab(blotter) and i sat here for 7 hours and was like a light mushroom trip. anyone have any idea how many micrograms one of these are? im kinda pissed at this fact, but i wanna be able to check my doseage.

[boredINbuffalo]

Are you so sure you did this, or are you speaking fictionally? Perhaps SWIM
(Someone who isn't me) did this?

(hint: look up "Who is SWIM?" on the search engine)

To answer your question, though, a typical LSD blotter dose can be
anywhere from 50ug to 200ug or higher, depending on batch. To think of it,
this should probably be moved to the LSD forum.Edited by: boredINbuffalo

[Solidly-here]

An LSD "Hit" containsexactly ??.? micro-grams.


Firstly, Cheefin is a one-Post newbie. If you would please Use the Forum's Search Engine (UTFSE), you will find an answer to your question.


Second, you said: "i wanna be able to check my doseage." Well, how could you do that? You've already taken the Hit. It's too late to attempt to measure the amount of LSD in that Hit. Even then, BoredINbuffalo explained that there is no National Standard for the amount of LSD in any particular Hit (too bad, though). The only way I can check my dosage is to see how the Trip goes: Hmm, that felt like 100 mics (or 50 ... or 150, if I'm REAL lucky).


Third, you said: " i sat here for 7 hours and was like a light mushroom trip.... im kinda pissed at this fact." Bad news for you. LSD (in many ways) is like a Magic Mushroom Trip. If you want something that isn't much like Mushrooms, try DMT or Salvia. Their Trips are quite different (and you don't have to sit around for 7 hours waiting to get through them).

[Pinkavvy]

50-200ug or higher?? maybe in 1966 when santoz lsd was still around.

the blotters that have come back this year have been tested at 20-120ug ... 120ug being something that was sold as "quad dropped" blotter.

it used to be that a blotter hit was 100ug and a windopane or 4way or quad was 280ug. you're lucky to find even 50-100ug anymore.

1 hit of blotter, even back in the day, is considered a mellow dose. 2-3 hits is ususally the world twisting dose you're looking for.

also it's possible you didn't get lsd at all.

[Hyperreal]

Pinkavvy, how was the strengh ofthese blotters tested? By whom? Do you have a link to the testing program or was it an underground thing? I really doubt that anybody is making blotters with only 20ug LSD - that's not even a threshold dose. The acid I get is always decent to excellent, and it's the same for most people I've talked to. I bascially think the 20-120ug thing is a bit of a myth.

[Pinkavvy]

Swim witnessed alot of white on white 'fluff' sheets get dipped at aprox 75u-80u this summer. (1g diluted into 340ml and absorbed into 120 sheets.)

one of swims chemist friends tested some 'bunk' blotters that swim picked up in mid spring time to find that it wasn't bunk but rather dosed at around 20u.

swim has also encountered very good blotters this summer that was claimed to be dipped at 120u.

And yes, swim has also read that the average blotter even in the 90's was closer to 50u rather than 100u. swim will find and post said link asap.

[dogcow]

Is there a simple at home way to test how much a blotter paper is dosed? Or is scientific equipment needed for that





regards


-dc

[armatitumor]

No, there is no simple way to tell how much LSD is on a blotter at home, unless you live in a lab.



Edit: Without eating it, of course.


Edited by: armatitumor

[Solidly-here]

Eat a Blotter: Are you Trippin? If no, eat two. Are you Trippin?


If you buy a load of LSD on a Sheet, you can assume that all of its blotters have about the same amount of LSD on them. Then "Scientifically" test one . . . Gulp. Wait an Hour. Are you Trippin? Now you know how many micro-Grams it has: either (1) enough, or (2) less-than-enough.


Even if you used the MOST sensitive scale, it would be difficult to weigh the LSD in a blotter. First, wash-out all of the LSD from the blotter (good luck getting every micro-Gram out of it). Second, evaporate all of the water. Third, weigh what is left.


If you did this, and it worked nearly perfectly (ha ha), you would have about one-twenty-thousandth of a Gram; and would have to use a microscope to clearly see it. I have a scale which could measure one-five-hundredth of a Gram. But you could go to a University Chem Lab and ask someone to weigh it for you.

[raven3davis]

Yea there is really no use just do what dolidly-here says. If one hit makes you trip pretty hard then it is probably around ~100ug. If one hit has an light effect then maybe you could estimate it around ~50 ug. If two hits is a really strong hit then the hits are probably around ~100ug. It seems that lsd gets pretty strong at the 200ug mark, so if it takes 4 hits to produce a strong trip they are probably weaker hits, and dosed around 50ug each. Good acid should be around 100ug maybe even more but its just hit and miss really. It sucks because acid is becoming like x. Back in the day if you bought cid, it was cid, and normally dosed 100ug or above. Now its weaker if you can find it, and sometimes just dome shitty RC. Just like xtc. Back in the day you could fine top quality pure MDMA but now you are likely to end up with some shit meth or maybe a pill with a bit off MDMA in it and lots of meth. Thumbs down, way down. I heard than back in the day some acid was even above 300ug!!!! Thats awesome, those old cooks need to come back but now its just all about the cash....everyone is like "FUCK THE PEACE AND LOVE, I GOTTA KEEP FOOD ON THE TABLE AND A FERRARI IN THE GARAGE." Ohh well, times change, people change, drugs change.

[dogcow]

Ok maybe its 50 then, cause the last batchSWIM gotSWIM's connection knew the guy who dosed the blotters and said it was 180ug (who knows..maybe) butSWIM definatly tripped REALLY hard off one hit. SWIMS gf found 2 hits to be too much, andSWIMS friend had complete ego death for 8hrs off of 3 hits.


However this time SWIMs connection bought the cid at a music festival of some sort and claims its just as good but it seems ALOT weaker. 1 hit SWIM just got kinda high and euphoric not even any anxiety really.


-dc

[Solidly-here]

Welcome to the World of: There's "Good" sources . . . and then there's "Lousy" sources.


If a Dealer is going to a place where he's going to NEVER see any of his customers again, for instance "at a music festival of some sort" . . . he can afford to give half the LSD (or a third) into each blotter. So, your connection overpaid for the amount of micro-Grams per blotter he got.


Then the deception moves to your connection. He knows that he must sell these half-Hits to someone. It certainly would have been "kinder" for your connection to tell you: "Hey, these are light-weight Hits." But he chose to pass them off to you as more-of-the-same ... when he knew that they weren't nearly as potent as the other batch.


One thing's for sure: You really Made-Out well with the first batch of Hits you bought. Good for you. Now it sounds like you got a batch which many people would be happy to have (and then just adjust the dosage accordingly to Trip the way they want).


Bargains are where you find them. Maybe the next batch will be Great, like your first one.

[dogcow]

SWIMs source charged somewhat less for the weaker acid (about xxx less per hit for the weak stuff) .. so SWIM didnt get completely skanked, however SWIM is pretty sad about gettin the weaker stuff.


-dcEdited by: dogcow

[joachimist]

conservation of blotters is also a problem :
some good strong acid blotters can began weak if they are not handed
with care, and if they are old.
so be carefull sometimes a dealer have some good stuff, but maybe just
more than what he could sell fastly.
so you first buy some good fresh, then next week it is little weaker, then
when finally you have earn enough money to buy more for all your friends
you get really weak stuff...

[1108]

Hey,

Swim recently tried a small (~1/32oz) dose of mushrooms for the first time and loved it. Swim is planning on trying lsd in a couple weeks, and is wondering the relative strength of lsd as compared to mushrooms.

Obviously there is a range of potency in different blotters/mushrooms, and the effects are different (mainly duration, but also more subtle effects), but what would you guys consider to be the lower bound and upper bound for the shroom dose roughly equivalent to 1 blotter of lsd (from santa cruz area if that helps).

For example, is a typical blotter closer in peak intensity to 1/16oz of 'shrooms, or 1/8oz?

As a less important question, how many micrograms of lsd is in a typical blotter?

Thanks.

[Nagognog2]

No one can tell you a real answer. Blotter strength is dependent on the person who makes it. Mushrooms are dependent on the species and growing conditions. I suggest you use the search engine and look for other threads that address the potency on LSD-25 on blotter as of late.

No one can give you more info on this. Look around before SWIM leaps.

[Henfer]

generally, blotters will range from 50 mcg to 150 mcg, or even nothing, or even not Alice on it. swim never did shrooms, but people who did both in gerenal tell swim that Alice is more intense overall, with strong visuals, and at the same time easier to let the trip go your way. but as in case of all psychedelics, that differs greatly from person to person...

just ask the guy who sold it to swiy....he can maybe give you a rough estimation based on other consumers, however, only if you can trust him

[raven3davis]

What kind of shrooms did you take? SWIM would say most lsd is definitely weaker than 3.5g (1/8th ounce) of shrooms. One hit might be comparable to 1/16th of shrooms but its a completely different drug and batches can vary but SWIM thinks lsd will vary more than shrooms. An 8th of shrooms will always ROUGHLY be the same but there will be variables. A hit of acid can be 50-500ug, or DOX, etc. Shrooms are shrooms. There are different species though but most people have access to p cubensis.

[Nargyle]

The last times SWIM has done lsd it has always been weaker than 2 grams shrooms, but don't take my word for it, potency varias a lot when talking about different blotters, SWIY's safest bet would be to ask someone who has taken those same blotters.

[Henfer]

as said, swim does not have shroom experience, that's just what people told him who did both. this is of course dosage dependant, and swim for example likes higher dosages of Alice (for solo tripping), at least 150 mcg (i.e. swim takes at least three hits now...). most people swim knows who did both like Alice better, mostly due to taste and side effects.. seems like swim has to test it himself some time.

[1108]

"No one can tell you a real answer. Blotter strength is dependent on the person who makes it. Mushrooms are dependent on the species and growing conditions. I suggest you use the search engine and look for other threads that address the potency on LSD-25 on blotter as of late."

I've done a fair bit of searching, and found that you believe they've been weaker lately ("Seems most LSD sold these days is quite weak compared to what it used to be"), but this isn't very quantitative, and I couldn't find a good answer to my question.

I'm not asking for an exact ratio, rather an estimite of the probability distribution. Knowing the probability distribution isn't knowing an exact answer for what SWIM may get, but it is definitely useful information.

In simpler terms, how many grams of shrooms/lsd blotter do you need so that 80% of the time, the lsd will be "stronger", and how many grams of shrooms/lsd blotter do you need such that 80% of the time, the shrooms will be stronger?


"generally, blotters will range from 50 mcg to 150 mcg, or even nothing, or even not Alice on it."

Ok, thanks.

"just ask the guy who sold it to swiy....he can maybe give you a rough estimation based on other consumers, however, only if you can trust him"

Swim can trust his friend, but his friend doesn't have all the answers.

"What kind of shrooms did you take? SWIM would say most lsd is definitely weaker than 3.5g (1/8th ounce) of shrooms. One hit might be comparable to 1/16th of shrooms"

I didn't take any shrooms, but Someone Who Isn't Me told me that he doesn't know what type of mushrooms they were, and that they were just shake left over from a rather large quantity of mushrooms. SWIM would assume that they were p cubensis, just because they are more common. Swim will try to find out.

Thanks for the comparison, that's exactly what I wanted to know (at least one estimate of it).

"but its a completely different drug and batches can vary but SWIM thinks lsd will vary more than shrooms. An 8th of shrooms will always ROUGHLY be the same but there will be variables. A hit of acid can be 50-500ug, or DOX, etc. Shrooms are shrooms. There are different species though but most people have access to p cubensis."

Are you saying that a hit of acid *can* be 500ug, or that 500ug blotters are actually found a significant portion of the time? That seems rather high for a single blotter.

"The last times SWIM has done lsd it has always been weaker than 2 grams shrooms, but don't take my word for it, potency varias a lot when talking about different blotters, SWIY's safest bet would be to ask someone who has taken those same blotters."

In the trips you are referring to, SWIY took one blotter, right? Your estimate agrees well with raven's, but SWIM will still try to find out exactly how intense a friend of a friend's 2 blotter trip was, and
try to relate that to 1 hit.

Swim thinks a good plan of attack would be to take 1/2 hit, wait for the effects to come on, and if desired, take the other half after the effects have set in. Since the come up time is short compared to the overall duration, it seems like it would be fine. Make sense?

Thanks for the responses.