Injecting - Purifying Street Ketamine for Injection

[Tranquil Toad]

SWIM only has access to powdered ketamine from a rather unreliable source (friend of a friend type situation), but is most interested in deep khole experiences which he has been unable to fully attain from snorting, even with .5g snorted at a time. IM looks the way to go, but he is very worried about getting an infection from impurities in the product or improper administration. Are there any reliable ways to purify street ketamine to make it safe to inject? I've heard of small filters they hand out at safe injection site, but SWIM lives in a small town and there aren't any such sites around. Would placing the powder in boiling water kill any bacteria, or would that also damage the ketamine? Any advice is appreciated.

[Lettish]

If Swiy can obtain some ketamine effects from the dose Swiy is taking at the moment, then Swiy should have no problem in reaching K-hole. Just up that dose. Give the ketamine a rest for a few months as tolerance grows quickly with ketamine.

Swim recommends ecstasy or MDMA about 2-4 hours before ketamine to intensify the ketamine effects and make for a more amplified K-hole.

[dr_haldol]

Bacteria aren't a too big problem, but chemical impurities are or could be...The ketamine can of course be washed (with solvents not dissolving it) or can be recrystallized; which SWIM thinks is a good idea. But with doing so, SWIY of course loses some...And if the powder isn't what is is to be thought, this can be a real problem...

[Tranquil Toad]

Originally Posted by dr_haldol

And if the powder isn't what is is to be thought, this can be a real problem...

Well SWIM has taken it nasaly before and it felt like nothing but ketamine, so he's not worried about other drugs mixed in with it. Is bacteria really not that big of an issue with IM injections? Who knows how many dirty hands this powder has passed through before it came to SWIM. How would he go about washing it with solvents?

[dr_haldol]

If SWIY washes it with solvent it will kill the bacteria...suppose it's Ketamine HCl (or any other salt) isn't it? (as usual)

SWIM would take a little amount (!) of alcohol (vodka should be fine), warm it and then dissolve the salt in the smallest amount of warm* alcohol possible. This will make sure SWIY won't lose too much of K. After SWIY did so, there are two possibilities:
1) let the solution cool down
2) boil off a bit to shrink the volume.
and then put it in the freezer overnight. Crystals should be formed on the next day. Then there are again two possibilites to choose from now:
1) these crystals can be scratched onto a coffee filter and the alcohol can then evaporate.
2) the solution is filtered, the crystals dried as in 1, and the solution is warmed to boil off some alcohol in order to get a smaller solution volume. This solution can now be putted in the fridge and then the workup is done as described in 1. But SWIY should be aware that by every time doing that step the impurities come back a bit since they're just dissolved and not destroyed.

SWIM would choose both times the option II.

But please be aware that SWIM can't give you any guarantee on that! For the chemical part of it, SWIM is pretty sure, but for the safer use part of it, it just feels better if SWIM tells you what he thinks.
Injections (in SWIM's opinion) are always risky, and SWIM doesn't like the idea of injections too much.

btw: Infections also happen via mucosa, such thing could happen by nasal consume.

* The alcohol doesn't need to boil off, just "pretty warm" is ok.

[dave-o]

Would simply boiling it on a spoon with water not help at all with bacteria?

[dr_haldol]

It would, yes.
SWIM's method (it's broadly known along chemists, SWIM didn't invent it, of course.) also takes care about chemical impurities that may contaminate the Ketamine. SWIM thinks it is always a good idea to get things as clean as possible.

In case SWIY has access to a melting point measuring device, SWIM would give it a try. The melting point tells you about identity and purity about the substance. (very clear MP => clean, "dirty" MP => not clean, needs further purification)

[Tranquil Toad]

Are chemical impurities that big of a concern with IM, considering the substance has been tried nasally before without ill effect? SWIM's primary concern was infection from bacteria. Also, would placing the ketamine in boiling water destroy any of the k? Obviously it doesn't for opiates, but we're dealing with a different compound here.

[dr_haldol]

Are chemical impurities that big of a concern with IM, considering the substance has been tried nasally before without ill effect?

SWIM doesn't think so either. But SWIU just want it as clean as possible, don't we?

SWIM's primary concern was infection from bacteria. Also, would placing the ketamine in boiling water destroy any of the k? Obviously it doesn't for opiates, but we're dealing with a different compound here.

SWIM thinks that boiling it in a small amount of water (remember the increased soluability in heat!) wouldn't damage the molecule.
It's not that sensitive...

[arman]

SWIM suggest dr_haldol's method for cleaning it, but if SWIY doesn't really want to do that. Then SWIM would suggest to pour some alcohol on it and wait for alcohol to evaporate (or by using SOME heat). then dissolve it in sterile water and then injecting with a clean new syringe.

Boiling water is good too, but SWIY should be careful not to burn K, it will happen if SWIY use too much heat, water evaporates quickly and K gets the chance to be heated without any water. In that case it will turn brown, and SWIY will loose some of his stuff, plus it should be filtered before injection.

BTW, SWIY should be careful with IM injections, it is much more suspectible to infections. I want to share my info and my monkeys experience on this, it may help some users after all.

So infections are much more common when IM'ing, the reason behind this fact, is that when SWIY inject something IV (in veins) it will instantly exposed to large number of white blood cells which present in blood, and the bacteria will be killed before letting them multiply. But with IM'ing, bacteria will go into muscle and as there is less white cells present there they will find the time to multiply and cause an infection there which can be fatal if not treated.

But remember that if the number of pathogenic bacteria in injection is large enough (e.g using dirty water or remains of nasal mucus) then the IV injection will be much more dangerous, as it may cause serious complications, like infective endocarditis (heart infection), which can be lethal. But generally risk of infection with IM is a lot more.

My monkey once had an infection from IM'ing ketamine by re-using a used needle, and also another infection by an accidental SC injection when he tried to IV and the needle slipped out of vein, this really stupid monkey used tap water. Although he did IV'ed tap water several times with no side-effect, but this doesn't rule out his stupidity. Now it is clear to him that his actions was plain stupidity and could lead to a drug-related death of another stupid monkey.

[Tranquil Toad]

Originally Posted by arman

it should be filtered before injection.

Any methods for filtering it? I've heard of using a micron filter, or just a cotton ball as is done with heroin.

[arman]

Originally Posted by Tranquil Toad

Any methods for filtering it? I've heard of using a micron filter, or just a cotton ball as is done with heroin.

SWIM meant that if SWIY burned his K by accident, then there will be brown particles of Ketamine which is insoluble in water and needs to be filtered.

Anyway, if there is insoluble particles when dissolving K in water, then filtering should be done, it can be done by a cotton ball. Note that Ketamine is very soluble in water, even in room temp, so if SWIY saw any particle not dissolving in water, SWIY should not apply heat (unlike heroin), cuz SWIY dont want the impurities, SWIY should just filter the insoluble stuff.

[Tranquil Toad]

Thanks for all the replies, this eases SWIM's fear of infection slightly. He will probably just place it in boiling water, since he isn't too concerned about chemical impurities, and try and be as sterile as possible when injecting.

[ketaminebinge]

Originally Posted by arman

Then SWIM would suggest to pour some alcohol on it and wait for alcohol to evaporate (or by using SOME heat). then dissolve it in sterile water and then injecting with a clean new syringe.

Could SWIM use IPA 99.9% to wash Ketamine of impurities?
SWIM has heard it leaves no residue, is this true?

Thanks