Dose - Measuring out dosages

[Pseudo-leipä]

Next week SWIM and his friend are hopefully going to pick up a gram of ketamine. SWIM has read through reccomended doses on this forum and on erowid, and was intending to carefully measure out doses for himself and his friend to insufflate. However, he has just realized that his only weighing apparatus is only accurate to the nearest gram, and thus completely useless. Him and his friend have no experience of insuffating drugs, and thus has no idea what different measurements would look like. Would it be safe to try and work out dosages by dividing up what he has (i.e. halving his gram to have 500mg, halving that to have 250mg, and so on...) or would that be too inaccurate? Is it possible to buy cheap, accurate, scales of some sort? And if so, from what kind of shop would he buy this?
Or, perhaps, could someone give SWIM an idea of measurements of lines of different weights? (For example, roughly how long and wide a line of 50mg would be)
Sorry, SWIM is somewhat at a loss... he wants to be as safe and responsible as possible with his ketamine. Thanks for any advice.

[Tranquil Toad]

If you really wanted to be accurate you could find a scale at either a head shop or a jewelery store that is accurate to .01g. Its going to be rather pricey, however. IMO, just divide the pile in half then in half again. If its pure ketamine you don't have to worry about overdosing. Worst case scenario you don't reach the khole fully; or, if thats not what you're after, you unintentionally take a trip to the khole. You can always adjust the dosage next time once you get used to how big of a pile you need to snort.

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	Done a no-no, overdosing is real on K
	This sort of "advice" could kill someone. Please study.
	careful with potentially dangerous advices

[Samadhi]

Originally Posted by Tranquil Toad

If its pure ketamine you don't have to worry about overdosing. Worst case scenario you don't reach the khole fully; or, if thats not what you're after, you unintentionally take a trip to the khole.

Wrong, oh so very wrong. You can overdose on anything and pure ketamine is no exception, just because it's tabbed "pure" doesn't mean it doesn't carry the same risks. Remember people, your lab animal is dealing with an ANESTHETIC not pixie dust. Stay within boundaries of trials people have tested before. Start very small and for christ sakes, buy a scale to AT LEAST .002 accuracy.

This substance has caused overdoses and deaths and unless swiy likes the feeling of counting down from ten, swiy should probably start small and get his bearings.

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A bit rough - but very much called for. Sometimes....

[Pseudo-leipä]

Yeah, well if the quantity SWIM is thinking of taking the first time is 60mg, is he right in thinking that realistically the worst that could happen from miscalculation is that he takes an accidental trip to a k-hole, or accidentally takes too little and gets no real effects?

[Samadhi]

Swiy is supposing too much. Research the right way and start taking safety parameters to assure swiy's experiments don't go south. Eye-balling anything is not a good idea. getting a good scale is the only way to go. the phrase of "accidentally going into a k-hole" doesn't sound like a good time to swim because of an eyeballed dose. Check online auction sites for 0.001 gram scales and there will be some for cheap that are accurate for the most part in the weights swiy is suggesting.

swiy's above calculations are right. why risk it, get a scale.

[Tranquil Toad]

While overdose is possible, the amounts we are talking about here do not even come close to that dosage range. The subject in question has 1g of material, even if he snorted the entire bag he would not be in overdose territory (black out most likely, but not physical harm.) Remember they give this to people in the hospital in massive dosages well over what anyone takes recreationally. While I'm not saying you should take a blasé attitude toward ketamine, lets be realistic here, the dangers are primarily mental - ie, the khole can be freaky if you aren't prepared for it. If you really want to make sure of your dose, anything more sensitive than a .01g scale is unnecessary for ketamine. Thats a 10mg discrepancy, so if you measure out 60mg it will be between 50-70mg, not a huge deal when we are talking about a substance whose safe dosage range goes much higher.

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Agreed - he's being overly concerned.

[Samadhi]

A milligram scale would be ideal. A blackout is physical harm. Sedating your body and mind till you don't remember it... what does that sound like... oh yeah, an anesthetic.

If the user took the whole gram down in a dive you'd better bet there'd be little men with cars with flashy lights coming. swim has seen people who thought it was cool to snort enough to take down a bull-elephant, 375mg was insuffilated at once and the user slipped not only down the rabbit hole, but down into a hospital bed from hypotensive crisis. Dangers are not just mental. This chemical if overdosed can cause one to go into a hypotensive crisis and could possibly seriously damage someones functioning organs.

The scale bit stands... get an accurate scale before messing with potentially lethal or damaging chemicals.

[Panthers007]

General anesthesia can be freaky if you're not prepared for it. Okay. That makes sense. But SWIM wriggling to get out of the fish-net of needing to buy a good scale does not.

Perhaps ketamine has a forgiving nature regards killing you if you do a bit too much. Perhaps it does not. Those who might argue are not capable of expressing an opinion. They died! Now get SWIM up and out the door to buy a scale. SWIM should put safety in the front of all considerations. If you can afford to help SWIM afford his light bill, you can help explain that this is one investment that takes precedence over his journey to a K-Hole.

"Merdre." - Antonin Artuad

[Tranquil Toad]

I obviously don't know the exact lethal dosage of ketamine, especially since drugs react differently with different bodies, but samadhi123's account of an overdose is the first and only time I have heard of someone overdosing (speaking of physical harm here, not just blacking out) on ketamine. Perhaps this person had pre-existing blood pressure issues or was using other medication that interacted with the ketamine - hence why you should always start low until you know how your body reacts with a drug. Which is what this users is doing starting off at 60mg. So ere on the side of caution and buy a scale (even though IMHO I think this is unnecessary given ketamine's history and reputation), but surely anything more than .01g is overkill. We are talking about a 10mg discrepancy here, and given that .01g scales are much easier to find, don't require and internet purchase and are less expensive this seems a much more sensible option.

[Pseudo-leipä]

Okay, I will try to find a .01g scale tomorrow. But from where can I buy one? I'm fairly sure my local headshop doesn't sell them, but I'll check again. But is there no other kind of shop that would sell them? (We can count out the possibility of eBay for the moment)

[Nose Dive]

Does that mean you rule out internet shopping completely? Cause a certain popular auction site does look like it's the way to go. Around £5 for a decent looking set

[Pseudo-leipä]

SWIM's currently unable to do any internet shopping :/ Today he didn't have a chance to check any of his local head shops, but he take a brief look in a kitchenware store, and any scales there that went below a gram were £30+, which is a little out of his price range.

[Samadhi]

Originally Posted by Pseudo-leipä

SWIM's currently unable to do any internet shopping :/ Today he didn't have a chance to check any of his local head shops, but he take a brief look in a kitchenware store, and any scales there that went below a gram were £30+, which is a little out of his price range.

If that little amount of money is out of swiys range he shouldn't be monkeying around with chemicals.

One needs a scale to research these substances.

[Lettish]

Swim remembers his first time with ketamine, how a small amount affected him much more than it would now... Swim remembers a gram lasting a long time. If Swiy is in the same boat (first time), Swiy can eyeball a gram easily. If Swiy follows this: 1 gram = 1000mg. 100mg = "strong" dosage (according to erowid). So, if Swiy divides the gram into 10 equal lines (roughly), Swiy has 10 lines of 100mg. Take three of those lines, and work with that. Swiy now has 300mg in total, more than enough to K-hole (according to erowid). If Swiy can't snort a whole 100mg, split it in half and take 5-10 mins between administration. Remember, start low and work up, but if Swiy desires the K-hole, don't hang around, get that ketamine snorted or Swiy won't reach it. Swim recommends ecstasy or MDMA 2-4 hours before ketamine to amplify the effects.

Hope that made sense. Swim doesn't use scales. A gram is so managable.

[Masa]

half the G then half each 1/2g
you now have 4 stacks of 250mg
half each 1/4 so you have 8 wee lines of 1/8g or 125mg each
toot one of these or if its your 1st time and you want to take it easy ( no bad thing ) take half line to see what you think

yes i know eyeballing it this way is very ruff so dont bother posting to tell me : )

not every one had the cash for sweet scales or maybe you have left home with out them or about 100000000 other reasons that the might be

learning this is safer then taking a random looking line out of you gram so its worth getting the hang of

enjoy

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Exactly!

[Pseudo-leipä]

SWIM does want to be as safe and responsible as possible, but if the usual price for 0.01g scales is £30 (US$60) or more, SWIM is going to have to go with Masa. He'll take time and care over eyeballing as accurately as possible, and will do very small lines separated by ten minute breaks, to prevent him taking too much. SWIM won't try for a k-hole dose until he's got a better feel for the substance.

[Nose Dive]

That's exactly how my Bill would deal with the situation. Very sensible.
If swiy is just experimenting in it I think it would be a waste of money to buy scales for a possible 1 time outing. Just take it slow and steady.

[Masa]

yeah K is ace with MDMA but do the Molly first and use K for come down

with snorting it is pretty much impossible to OD , your nose would be blocked up with powder long b4 you where at risk , but dont go trying to prove me wrong : )

[dave-o]

Originally Posted by samadhi123

This substance has caused overdoses and deaths

Please provide proof of it causing OD or death at any non-ridiculous dose.

K is of extremely low toxicity, hence why it is used for children and horses (which have delicate nervous systems that may respond badly to opiates).

[Masa]

i have been told the Horse thing is a myth its only used on human and smaller

[Nose Dive]

Originally Posted by Masa

i have been told the Horse thing is a myth its only used on human and smaller

I'm not sure if that fits in here but...

It is actually used on humans and animals, any animals in fact, including things like elephants and rhinos.