Effects - Head Candy effects

[ionlife]

I apologise for the length of this post but I want to add as much detail of my experience of using head candy as possible.

AFOAF has used head candy 4 times usually with alcohol in varying quantities. AFOAF enjoyed all times and usually feeling waves of elation and positivity even the day afer, and had no real side effects except for the anti cliamx of coming down.

If AFOAF explain his last experience of using Head Candy pills could anyone advise me what the problems \AFOAF encountered were due to most. AFOAF is 47 years old and in good health although he does tend to drink too much at the moment, am going through some hard times, and could probably do with eating healthier too.

So, Friday night AFOAF drank 8 cans of lager, 1quater bottle vodka and 1 bottle boost.

Saturday nothing to eat all day, took 1 Head Candy pill at 5.00 oclock, 1 Head Candy pill at 7.00 oclock, small glass of WKD at 7.30, 1 bottle bud at 8.00 oclock, italian meal at 8.15 garlic mushrooms starter made me feel a bit queezey ,half bottle of white wine with meal, took 1 pill at 9.30, 1 dbl vodka red bull at 10.30, from then untill 2.30 in club drank 4 dbl vodka redbulls, 1tequela shot, 1 blue VK (vodka), 1 bottle water and 2 bottles WKD.

Very, very slow coming up, slight buzz, quite chatty, danced a little. Smoked several cigs during the course of the night. Breathing shallow, movements quite sluggish, couldn't get into his dancing much. Got home at 3.30, drank 1 bottle orange juice. Felt a strong uncomfortable wave and didn't want to move but he had to get some air. Drank 1 bottle of water. Took dog a long walk at 4.30. Sudenly felt quite relaxed aand horney but couldn't feel any sensitivity where it mattered.

Went to bed at 6.00, felt very strange panicy vibes unlike the positive elation he usually feels. He couldn't sleep just lay there, music from the club pounding in my eardrums.

Got up about 10.30 Sunday morning. Couldn't concentrate on reading paper or watching TV, had to get out. Went to Manchester to take back some clothes. Had some water and fruit juce. Still felt quite edgy, panicky.

Thought he would have a hair of the dog. Went in pub at about 2.00 and had 1 pint lager. It helped. Sat in pub just staring around as if in a daze, didn't want to get up, movements felt sluggish. Went and had a cheese burger which I had to force down.

Had some more water. Felt a bit better. Was gonna go home and try and get some sleep but met his brother and stayed out till 1.00, had 7 pints of lager. Throughout the night my eyes were like saucers, and I felt a better buzz than the night before. I was quite hyperactive and talkative.

he don't suffer from anxiety but he does have bad nerves with some visible ticks and leg shaking when he's sat at my computer occasionally, which he can usually conceal quite well.

Got up 10.30 Monday morning after some sleep, still feel a light dizzy relaxed feeling and he is not as anxious as I normally can be-his leg shaking has stopped as I am typing this.

Oh he dont know if this matters but he also had several Zantac indigestion tablets while on the Head Candy pills.

So to sum up. Main concerns:

slight vaves of dread while coming down

felt like he didn't want to do anything but just sit still

shortness of breath during coming up

very slow gradual buzz but long lasting

at most intense when at home and not in club

quite uncomfortable when at most intense,

Sleep deprivation

Increase sexual feelings but reduced sensitivity to arousal

I know he should have stopped all this nonsense at his age but I have never
used any drugs at all up until a couple of years ago when I had my first Ecstasy pill at a club with some friends. He couldn't believe what he had been missing.

My friend recently had a really bad experience with E and collapsed inside a club. He now only uses the herbal stuff and I want to be able to experience it too in a positive way without any nasty side effects.

Please advise best course of action

Sorry for rambling but I think he is still feeling slight buzz from Sat night.

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	Dangerous, inaccurate advice. Please get a grip.
	Well intentinoned post

[Panthers007]

ionlife: Thank you for your report - but please go read the rules of these forums before posting. Pay special attention to the rules regards self-incrimination. Rules are here:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/ann....php?f=184&a=1

As a newbie, you cannot edit (silver members & up can). So I've called for a moderator to help you. Thank you.

[ionlife]

Fair point I, can I edit the post and reword so it appears hypothetical?

Sorry for any inconvenience

[Lobsang]

The first course of action is to read what is in this "head candy" and post it. Also there is an assumption made by many people that herbal means safer. That is not always the case. So what is in head candy? I am very curious.

Also SWIM says he is amazed that SWIy can do this at 47. SWIM sure could not. SWIM has learned that some of the "herbal" highs can not be such a good thing as we get a little older. Some can cause BP problems and heart problems that would not matter so much in a younger person but at 47 they could. Also SWIM would be concerned in himself with so much alcohol and other stuff at his age. No judgement meant. Simply an observation from SWIM's experience for SWIM.

[aerozeppelin123]

IMO it was the mixture with all that alcohol which caused such a bad experience, it's never a good idea to mix drinking with any kind of stimulant (even these 'herbal' ecstasy substitutes, which are very far from herbal) as it puts a lot of extra strain on your body. SWIM's friends always complain of feeling much worse if they've mixed alcohol with other drugs like that.

[ionlife]

Thanks for comments. I'm usually very careful about how much I drink if I take HC which isn't that often, probably once every couple of moths, but as they seem to take a long time to kick in, I assumed by the time I'd had a few drinks it would already be in my bloodstream, so should be ok, obviously not.

I am seriously thinking about quiting alcohol for a while and getting fit, (it does not give me the type of feeling I am looking for, (which is why I tried the HC in the first place), and I end up getting tired any way.

I am a young 47 and have never really experimented with alternatives to alcohol, didn't even smoke till about 4 years ago. I Started going out with a few mates to rave clubs, got into the music and enjoyed it much more than getting drunk.

I felt I probably missed out on all that when I was younger as it wasn't my thing at that time and I never touched alternative stimulants, even though all my mates were into them, so I don't think I'm ready for pipe and slippers just yet )

Obviously got to be realistic about it though-not getting any younger I suppose.

Thanks for your concern and advise.

Still feeling some effects from Saturday a little even now. Weird

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Please read the rules. Since you are new I did not take points.

[Panthers007]

Originally Posted by Panthers007

ionlife: Thank you for your report - but please go read the rules of these forums before posting. Pay special attention to the rules regards self-incrimination. Rules are here:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/ann....php?f=184&a=1

As a newbie, you cannot edit (silver members & up can). So I've called for a moderator to help you. Thank you.

Do I really need to do this again??

[Lobsang]

Not to beat a dead horse. But what does it say is in Head Candy? If this is a dream that SWIy is having. What in the dream does the bottle say is in it? SWIM would really appreciate knowing for his own "files". He has a personal interest in these things.

If SWIy does not want to answer that is oK. No push

[ionlife]

Got up at 10.30 today Tuesday felt light headed and heavy. Took dog for long walk, had some fresh orange juice and some food. Head starting to feel normal again now 2.20. Feel lighter, think effects wearing off now.

Don't really know whether bad effects were caused by the reaction to HC, or the amount of alcohol consumed. Therefore can't say for sure if HC is for me.

Got a feeling the alcohol counteracts the ingredients in HC and 'kills the pill' at the time of consumption, reducing the intensity of the high but stretching it so it lasts for longer and after the alcohol has worn off, the HC must still be there and thats why it has lasted so long. But I'm certainly no expert. Will not be mixing like that again anyway.

[purplehaze]

Trip report is useless.

Post whats in the head candy, stop calling it HC.

After properly identifying the herbal mixture to this community proceed with a trip report. Otherwise this thread is useless.

In the trip report do not combine the use of alcohol otherwise it is unclear the effects of the said head candy.

You basically described a night out drinking at age 47 and the week after effects. Possibly not even getting any effect from the herbal pill, which is why i stated the above.

Also please make sure you fully understand the rules before continuing to post, otherwise you will be neg repped until banned if you continue to self incriminate.

P.S. I hope i don't come off as a dick, but we like our community, please add to it, not destroy and spam it with rule breaking useless post.

[ionlife]

Fair enough, my apologies. Just wanted some feedback. Thanks for advise. Not much info out there about ingredients of head candy.

ionlife added 42 Minutes and 28 Seconds later...

SWIM thinks the active ingredient is a synthetic compound called diphenyl prolinol. A pootential analogue of the Class C5 drug pipradrol, a stimulant with side-effects ranging from insomnia to psychosis and convulsions.

[Lobsang]

Well OK. SWIy's origional question was "please advise". Also SWIy says he "thinks" the ingredient is diphenyl prolinol. SWIM is just curious how and why SWIy thinks this? SWIM only asks this as he has an interest in labeling and "herbal highs".

But remember SWIy asked for advice. So SWIM says with no disrespect or bad vibes intended. That SWIy should be careful. Good God man...SWIy is 47 years old. SWIy is drinking very heavely, combining with stimulents and alcohol. Talking about dizziness and shortness of breath, talks of shaking.

SWIy should understand that these herbal pills are far from "herbal". The companies lead people into believing they are safe but many times they are far from it. They can be much more dangerous in an older person. Such things like heart attack and stroke can happen, arrythemias ect...Especially when combined with alcohol and lack of sleep ect...

SWIM is in no way making judgement over SWIy. But is only responding to a question asking for advice. SWIy may beleive he is a young 47. But the body is still 47. From a medical standpoint the game SWIy is playing may work at 22 but at 47 it could end in disaster. Either in the short or long term.

Again no judgement morally or anything. Just responding to question.

[ionlife]

SWIM thanks SWIY for advice and agrees with the analysis and will take steps to moderate aforementioned activities.

[purplehaze]

Since this thread wasn't effective, although started with good intention, maybe I can give a bit of advice that will prove usefull in the future.

Saturday nothing to eat all day, took 1 Head Candy pill at 5.00 oclock, 1 Head Candy pill at 7.00 oclock, small glass of WKD at 7.30, 1 bottle bud at 8.00 oclock, italian meal at 8.15 garlic mushrooms starter made me feel a bit queezey ,half bottle of white wine with meal, took 1 pill at 9.30, 1 dbl vodka red bull at 10.30, from then untill 2.30 in club drank 4 dbl vodka redbulls, 1tequela shot, 1 blue VK (vodka), 1 bottle water and 2 bottles WKD.

Is enough to make one sick, mixing beer with wine is enough to throw up with a nasty hangover, mixing liquor of any kind with beer or wine is a big no no, in the future if you plan to drink vodka, drink strictly vodka. If beer, drink beer. And don't have a cheeseburger after filling your stomach with beer, you didn't have a hangover because eating bread helps absorb the alcohol, you most likely felt funny though. Anyway don't over do it, just because alcohol is legal for adults doesn't make it completely safe or all fun either, and is very probable that it was the culprit of more than one negative side effect.

Watch about fatty greasy foods because your blood pressure could get to high, eating a piece of bread before bed after a late night of drinking is sufficient.

Just a few tips that can hopefully prove helpful as phaze understands that swii got started late in life with these sort of experiences which phaze tends to feel is sort of dangerous without proper amounts of research done.

[ionlife]

Are you saying that it is most likely the negative effects were from the mix of head candy and alcohol rather than from the head candy itself.

[purplehaze]

Most likely just from the mixing of different alcohol. You can't go out and drink 50 different kinds of alcohol, you have to stick to one. If your trying to get drunk, it will definitely help to mix, but will result in throwing up, getting too drunk, and usually a hangover.

Mixing alcohol is how the worst hangovers ever are created.

Without the "head candy" even in the equation, mixing alcohol would have made you feel horrible. Even the best drunks can't mix there alcohol and hold it. I've seen people who never throw up drink to much wine and then think its OK to have a beer or two, then end up throwing up and dry heaving and have a hangover with a overall bad feeling the next day.

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Mixing alcohol is not that bad

[Durd1e]

Head candy are notorious, wherever they are sold, for causing a wide variety of serious ailments. Check out any of the many forums on which it is discussed.

As to mixing it with alcohol, it would definitely make the hangover worse...serious dehydration etc. However, alcohol is an anti-convulsant and there have been reports of head candy causing convulsions (it is also listed among its side-effects). So in actual fact there is a chance things might have been worse for swiy without the alcohol. I think it is unlikely that alcohol could have caused a hang-over similar to and as long lasting as the one swiy experienced.

From your report it seems that swiy took three Head candy...now this seems to swim, who has taken 1 before, a heroic (or foolhardy) dose. I guess the real problem with these is that the effects are so subtle as to encourage taking more until swiy finds him or herself in trouble.

As to their contents it seems that they contain both diphenyl prolinol and a small dose of glaucine, a synthetic opoid also contained in mind music. SWIM has found both these to be ugly unpleasant experiences and would suggest to anyone that they are best avoided.

All in all, don't let this put swiy off, there is far better out there to be enjoyed. Just be wary of redosing if it seems not to work.

[purplehaze]

For whoever neg repped me telling me that mixing alcohol wasn't that bad. Go buy some vodka and grab a 6pack of beer, take shots of vodka chasing it with beer.

Or better yet, try the OP's cocktail for yourself..

Keep in mind this man is 47 YO, filling his stomach up with beer then forcing cheese burgers down and poping indigestion pills to settle his stomach and mixing alcohol, there very well could have been a weeks worth of side effects, its called high blood pressure and health problems. Alcohol causes dehydration etc, i still believe its very probable.

Also what is a bottle of boost? Is it loaded with caffiene? That could be another issue.

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Agreed,Mixing drink is bad!

[illume.]

Swim would def have to agree with the mixing alcohol as causing said nastiness. however mixing stimulants and depressants of any kind has, In swims exp caused the anxiousness and tension that swiy speaks of.

Olny advice swim can give that hasnt already been addressed here is not to mix uppers +downers, Fullstop.

[ionlife]

SWIM thinks all above is good advice and makes a lot of sense. The effects cancel each other out and leave you uncomfortably numb, not really knowing whether you feel up or down.

[purplehaze]

Vodka Red Bull is sometimes referred to as a "speedball cocktail" since it contains the alcohol depressant and the caffeine stimulant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedball_(drug)

[kalininin]

hey swiys, someone being 47 doesnt mean he cant take drugs or drink without much moderation [for a while], u sound like ur average age is 74 !
n oh yeah, ionlife, get into mushrooms or piperazines if u wanna have a nice recreational drug to replace the alcohol...

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AGREED

[Zebedee]

Swim has just returned from Isle of Wight Festival having experienced one of the wort drug experiences of his life on London Underground Head Candy. He has been using ecstasy, acid, speed and coke infrequently for 15 years but nothing is like this poison. If this post puts you alone off taking Head Candy it may be your life that it saves. Swims experience goes as follows:

• Swim bought 3 Headcandy.
• 1st pill was taken around 6pm. At this point he had also consumed 4 gin and tonics and a couple of glasses of wine.
• By 10pm nothing had happened so he did as instructed on the packet and took another.
• 11pm, as he was waiting on the Sex Pistols to come on he started to feel his heart racing and coordination begin to go. He found it difficult to breath and was really thirsty.
• In a panic he stumbled through the crowd back to his tent he drank a small bottle of water. He then lay down.
• Then the agonizing stomach cramps started. Then the nausea. Then the dark thoughts and horrid visuals. Swim honestly thought he was dying. Swims heart rate was unbelievable. In fact, if he was not reasonably healthy he really suspects that he would have suffered a heart attack. He also thought he had wet himself. He became scared of people in his tent that were not there. He lay awake all night slipping in and out of lucidity until the speedy effects wore off. But the stomach pains just got worse.
• At 11 am the following morning he made his way to a portaloo to try and make himself throw up but all he could do was dry boak. His stomach has swollen up and his kidneys are in agony. It took until about 6pm before his heart rate stabilized.
• It is now 48 hours later and Swim needs to see a doctor. He cannot shake off the sore stomach and he can feel hard lumps in his intestines.
• Swim is pissing constantly and cannot get a stiffy. Not a nice thing to admit to but he is saying this all for a reason. Swim loves a nice pill but how can shit like this be available on the high street when MDMA is outlawed. Ridiculous.

Please, whoever has the power to outlaw this poison. Take a look at the facts and do something about it before someone dies. That is if they haven't all ready.

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A valuable report, thanks.

[Lobsang]

These problems from "legal highs" are common. The people that make them could care less about a SWIMMERS health most of the time.

So we appreciate the warning. But Please read the rules before posting again so you are off to a good start and welcome to the forum.

[yshy24]

hey guys, if swiy is going to post reviews on a product, please keep it legit. if someone is drinking multiple drinks, beers, or shots it really doesn't give us anything to go on. if swiy is really looking to try something out and review, alcohol is only going to confuse what the product will do in your body. it would be like being drunk and smoking green for the first time... swiy wouldn't even know what swiy was feeling and it will probably lead to a bad experience. keep it honest... because everytime swim tries something new swim like to know what it feels like before mixing and it makes a difference in the trip report.

l8tr sk8trs!

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good advice on proper experimentation.