Trichocereus cuzcoensis

[xctico]

I'm getting myself some Trichocereus cuzcoensis and I have a few questions.





I've heard that Trichocereus cuzcoensis has a larger concentration of
alkaloids than Trichocereus pachanoi. I was wondering if anyone ahs
experience with both cacti and can help me compare.



What should be the minimun dosage of this cacti[dry skins], and what should be the dosage for a strong trip?

[bman1]

use syrup as your dosesyrup canbe standerdised. One can not use weight or lenght to tell potency every cacti isdifferent. The syrup will consistantly be the same no matter what cacti it comes from there is only slight difference if syrup comes from different cacti

[.rar]

The place that I saw that sells that says: "The effects are very similar effects as good Peyote active at only about 10gm." I might get some and see what works.

[indjuwandjuwa]

.rar


strange place. Peyote simply has many more alkaloids in it then most tricocerei. although the main alkaloid in both is mesc. a peyote trip is usually regarded to be a much fuller ( visual ) experience then trichocerues allone.


As for trich Cuscoensis. I have oneTrouts books"sacred cacti" - I coul look it up and report back on the alkaloid profile. I am not sure it it mentions the Cuscoensis alka profile, I'll check. do not have net access at home yet.


cuscoensis (if active)is probably more or less the same in potency as peruv or patcha. (claims that peruv is muchstronger then patcha)

[QGdoxl]

Latly I have been reading a lot about mescaline and I must say it
sounds very interesting, enough to go find a local store where I could
buy some dried cacti, So that's what I did, here is what I bought





Trichocereus peruvianus hybrid




This hybrid contains simmilar
alkaloids to Trichocereus peruvianus, Trichocereus tershekki and Lophophora
williamsii cacti. Comparable in quantity of alkaloids to Lophophora williamsii.
We have this harvested and prepared nicely without the core, spines or white
flesh present. Traditional dosage is equal to 10-25g's of material

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I put 10g in a coffee grinder and mixed it in a milkshake (the
shopkeepers suggestion) aparently you don't taste it much this way
according to him. It tasted BAD but I got ot down over an hour or
so.

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I must say I am
very dissapointed. Next to no effect, I went back to the shop and
it turn out that there is a problem with this batch no one is getting
off. I will be getting a full replacement soon as the real deal
coms in.

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Shit how
dissapointing. Oh well when I get the new stuff I will report
back and let you all know how my first real experience goes!

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cheers

Q

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[indjuwandjuwa]

yeah mannnnn kill your cactus!


Let it grow. be patient. i mean how big is your cactus? Fresh weight you need atleast 200 grams of cactus to get a nice buzz if your cactus contains betweenapprox 1.0 and 1.5% mesc fresh weight.


Do not know if the hybrid you have, has that percentage either. If it does.,...that would mean that your cactus would have to be at least 10 to 15 inches tall is what i estimate.

[indjuwandjuwa]

better you buy bridgedsi, patchanoi or peruvianus.

[jose1]

I purchased Cuzcoensis as well. I prepared it by boiling it down,
the same way I prepared some Bridgessi. I boiled down about
100grams of it for about an hour or so.



I drank about 200 grams of the syrup and achieved nothing except
violently throwing up and crapping out the contents of my stomach for
the whole night. I was so sick I didn't even want to move.



I am inexperience to say the least. I to heard that Cuzcoensis is
as strong as Peyote, that is why I purchased it. The Bridgessi I
purchased only took me into a begining stage of other
consciousness. That was at 28 grams boiled down. I was
expecting cuz to take me further into the egoless.



So, I was pretty preturb that the Cuz didn't have any affect. I
think it might have something to do with how long I boiled it
for. Two hours might have boiled off the ethono properties of the
chemical.



I still have some left and I think I will ingest it raw. The
Native Americans say this can be done and that anyone who can suffer
the bitter taste with out makiing a disturbed face is of pure
heart. And further to the point there should be no question of
it's purity in raw form.



I am in an Native American Indian concil. I have just begun any
real study of my spirtual nature. When I go to see my teacher
this spring I will have many questions regarding the use of the
medicinal cacti. I will pass on any information that I am allowed
to.

[QGdoxl]

Here is the write up about the cacti I bought. 100g dried skins.</span>




"Trichocereus peruvianus hybrid





This hybrid contains simmilar
alkaloids to Trichocereus peruvianus, Trichocereus tershekki and Lophophora
williamsii cacti. Comparable in quantity of alkaloids to Lophophora williamsii.
We have this harvested and prepared nicely without the core, spines or white
flesh present. Traditional dosage is equal to 10-25g's of material"



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[indjuwandjuwa]

yeah yeah yeah,.... just a sales pitch. I mean they are correct in saying that the hybrid has the same alkaloids as the other they mention,... but keep in mind that t. Tercheckii and L. Williamsi have other alkaloids in them as well.


some studies claim that terscheckii has and indole alkaloid ( I forgot which,.. I thought that it was DMT)


And peyote has many other goodies in it that peruvianus hybrids will never have in them.


Comparing it to Lophophora W. and Terscheckii is just to make it sound better.

[xctico]

excellent to have a native american here to talk about sacred cacti. Welcome.

I've eaten raw dry peyote before. Small amounts, and I actually liked
the taste of it. It didn't seem so bitter as some might say. And it was
a very powerfull substance, 1 ate just a couple of pinches and trip for
several hours.



It would certainly make sense for the cacti that are indegenous to the
old Inca capital to have special qualities, when we see it from the
historic point of view.



What do you know about the technique of injecting dopamine into live cacti to raise mescaline concentration?



I haven't tried any sacred cacti in years, but when I do. I'll let you all know.

[jose1]

I guess I shoould have been more clear. I am not Native American,
although I have been aloud to join a Native American Council.
Which acts like teaching platform for the study of the true nature of
human beings and there place in the universe. They will let people join
if they trust you. I am at the begining of my spiritual studies
with the chief in my council. I have gotten to the part about the
use of medicinal plant to get one past the ego state. I will
share any information I am aloud to share.


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[xctico]

Oh. Ok. Sorry for the confusion. Anyway, you are in a position to give
us valuable insight to the whole cultural aspects of sacred cacti. So
that we might understand the importance of such plants beyond their
psichadelic qualities. As well as the importance of such experiences as one might have under the effects of this plants.

[indjuwandjuwa]

Hi jose1


That'ssuper super super cool, being able to hear and learnit from a long and oldtradition.


The NAC,...What indian nation are most members from? Sioux?


I am really fond of hearing of their traditions. Most old traditions / cultures are super cool!


Do share!


B.

[jose1]

I am just at the begining of my studies but I would be glad to pass on
anything I am aloud to. Just to make a point if you are
interested you should check out getting into a council yourself.
They will teach anyone they feel wants to learn and won't disrepect the
ways. Coiencedently,the Native Americans prophesized that many
would seek out instruction in the way of our nature around this period
in time. So, they will propably be even more reseptable to
someone wanting to learn now.



I don't really know any numbers from which natioin, but it does seem at
this present time the Lakota Nation seems to run the show. I
would assume that,that also means that they have the most members. All
in all I have been told that whole of the indian population has grown
considerably after their almost mass exstintion in the past 500 years.



I can pass on a book name my teacher told me to get in reference to the
use of Peyote. It is "Peyote and the Yankton Sioux, the life and
Times of Sam Necklace". It's basically the story of the indian
Peyote church. His says this might clear some questions I might
have. You should also check out any Native American book that
teaches you your spirit animal (totem). These books are good
because the next time you take some cacti and find yourself in another
state and you come across an animal you'll be able to decipher it's
message to you.



You see they teach about alot of things that are right in front of everyones face.









I will tell you one thing about the Native Americans. I know that
no one is completely good hearted but these folks come real close.

[QGdoxl]

lots of patrons of the store say the stuff is top notch but this was
just a bad batch. He also has a non hybrid I may try that too.

[GDxCAT]

The hybrid you mention also goes by the name of trichocereus
cuzcoensis. And 10g will give threshhold effects. If your plan is to
work you way up slowly than start with 10g otherwise 20g will be ~300mg
of mescaline.





</span>indjuwandjuwa, where did you hear about
terschekki containing DMT? Im willing to bet that it isnt true because
oral DMT without an MAOI is not active.

I have read that terschekki contains only minute quantities of
mescaline and has mostly N-mono-methyl mescaline, which is psychoactive
in its own right.





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[QGdoxl]

So would it be better to buy the Peruvian Torch?



here is there wrtie up







Trichocereus Peruvianus (peruvian torch)


This is an alkaloid rich cacti containing a similar alkaloid
composition to Peyote. It is a powerful entheogen used by the shamans and
medicine men in <st1:country-region><st1lace>Peru</st1lace></st1:country-region>
for spiritual quests. They use this cacti in <st1:country-region><st1lace>Peru</st1lace></st1:country-region>
much the way North American Natives use Peyote. Traditionally prepared either
powdered and eaten or brewed similar to Ayahuasca boiling and concentrating it.
Our cacti is ethically harvested in <st1:country-region><st1lace>Peru</st1lace></st1:country-region>
and prepared the way it has been for hundreds of years. It is first de-spined
then the skin and flesh are separated from the rest and allowed to dry.

[GDxCAT]

Well P. Torch is the only one i've tried and i can tell you for sure
that it works at 35-45g. All you have to do is grind up the dried up
cactus chips and put them in capsules or whatever method you prefer.



Cuzcoensis works aswell perhaps you just need a higher dose or wait
until he gets a new batch of the stuff since it is supposed to be more
potent.

[QGdoxl]

aparently the hybrid gives good doses between 10-30g about 2x as potent as the P.T.

[GDxCAT]

10g would only give a weak trip though. Ofcourse its always smart to
start low. So if you buy 100g than you should definetly start with 10g
and then work your way up. But if you only buy 1oz than your best bet
would be to eat ~20g.

[indjuwandjuwa]

indjuwandjuwa, where did you hear about terschekki containing DMT? Im willing to bet that it isnt true because oral DMT without an MAOI is not active.
I have read that terschekki contains only minute quantities of mescaline and has mostly N-mono-methyl mescaline, which is psychoactive in its own right.


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It was all over the web in the past that terschekii contained DMT However that was not confiremed to be true or false anywhere. DMT might not be orally active,... but then again when eating plant material there can be MAOI's present,... same like they found out with Mimosa Hostiles in the North East Brazil Caatinga cultures.

[indjuwandjuwa]

I still think that it is more of a sales pitch. i have eaten Peruv, Patchanoi, bridgedsi,... and all of them around more or less the same dosage. I found bridgedsi the give the mellowest / cleanest trip. probably because it has less other active alkaloids.


I think it is possible to produce a hybrid Trichthat produces more then most other Trichs,... but that would take lots of time to make. Lots of Bioessaying and or good scientific research to determine which are the most potent Trich spp and crossbreeding them for potency.


All trichs would then have to bredin controlled enviroments. leaving nothing to chance.


perhaps if one can do DNA sampling and find genes responsible Mesc production, then you can do more straight to the point determination of which spp produces teh most. But if you are already thinking ofgoing so far you might as well look into meddeling with Bacterial genes and thus mass producing Mesc in vats.

[GDxCAT]

actually there is a hybrid of peruvianus called cuzcoensis with higher
alkaloid content. Apparently only 10-30g dried are needed to trip.

and as mentioned earlier when you are eating terschekki you are tripping not on mescalin but N-mono methyl mescaline.



I have one question though, you said you ate all of them at around the
same dosage, but by my understanding pachanoi has less amount of
alkaloids thus requiring a higher dose. My question is how did you
experience the same effect from X amount of pachanoi that you did from
the same amount of peruvianus if one is more potent than the other?

[dove]

Hi all, Question: What is a good way to dry out the cactus to make the chips? Anddothe big green new shoot buds (size of a golf ball) on a 2 foot tall SPcontain anypotency? Does a 2' SP with a 3" diameterhave any potency? I have a couple of these smaller ones now, but Im taking it step by step in experimenting. thanks.