Some advice on ergoline/LSA trips [please read]

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Advice on Morning Glory / HBWR / Rivea Corymbosa ergoline (LSA) trips:

- Extraction methods result in a significant loss of ergoline alkaloids (the chemicals that trip you out).
- Extraction methods typically result in only 1/2 to 1/4th of the total intensity you'd get from directly consuming the seeds.
- So to counter that, you'd have to use like double the seeds you want to trip out on for any extraction (pretty big waste..).
- They are also much more sedating due to certain other ergoline alkaloids being more pronounced from the extraction.
- Not to mention extractions are very tricky, often taking days to complete and can be very easy to fuck up on.
- It's often reported that even with extractions, nausea is still encountered (though markedly less discomforting).
- So bottom line in my opinion, is don't even bother with them at all! Not even CWE (cold water extraction). None of them are worth it.

- The absolute most intense, (and also conveniently the easiest!) best way (also with least sedation) to go is to take them directly orally:
- Grind up the seeds thoroughly with a coffee grinder, pulverize with a hammer, etc..
- Mix the result in some apple sauce, yogurt.. pudding.. etc., or put them in gel caps or just parachute (wrap in toilet paper).
- Gradually consume orally over a period of 30 min to an hour to reduce nausea.

- Take some dramamine pills or smoke some bud to get rid of nausea. Or pepto-bismol also helps. Dramamine is by far the best solution though.
- If you do still get nauseous, try and hold it off as long as you can and then go barf. You'll feel much better and your trip will still be quite intense.
- A trip will by far outlast nausea, so don't worry about it completely ruining the trip. It'll only fuck you over for the first 1-3 hours or so.
- Another method for escaping nausea is to consume the seeds, then go to sleep. Set an alarm for 3 hours later and you'll wake up tripping out, no nausea!

- Dose information estimates for Ipomoea Morning Glory seeds (can vary extensively with plant variety, these doses are based on the Heavenly Blue type):
- 50-100 seeds will result in threshold effects, up to a mild trip.
- Minor CEVs (closed eye visuals) may be present, general distortion present, and thinking patterns perhaps slightly altered.
- 150-250 seeds will result in a normal trip, and you will be able to control yourself pretty well.
- Thinking patterns noticeably altered, emotions flowing, CEVs and OEVs (open eye visuals) may be present, as well as auditory changes.
- Physical / visual impairment somewhat like being buzzed on alcohol.
- 300-500 seeds will result in a strong trip. In this level I experienced ego death and the trip was very intense. Could barely function alone.
- Auditory hallucinations very pronounced, extreme distortion, many OEVs and CEVs.
- Thought patterns much, much different. I remember on one trip I started thinking about myself and was fascinated by my own life.
- You may forget who you are (ego death), and what you're doing and etc. This level is where a trip sitter is a must.
- Extreme difficulty in communicating to people. Speech is heavily impaired.
- You may jabber speech and it may sound completely nonsensical to others, but perfectly sensible to you. Very frustrating at times.
- At this level the 'bad trip' phenomenon can be quite intimidating. So always remember set and setting.
- Physical / visual impairment resembles being drunk on alcohol.
- 500-1000 seeds will result in a 'psychedelic' trip. You'll almost certainly experience ego death at this level, and will trip out big time.
- You will see CEVs and OEVs everywhere, you'll hear extreme auditory distortions, and a typical, very strong distortion of reality.
- Thought may be very fragmented. You may feel the same physical / visual impairments as being extremely drunk.
- Don't even bother trying to talk to your trip sitter / others..
- 1000+ seeds is not recommended. Can be extremely dangerous due to vascoconstriction. Heard 1000+ leaves you in a sort of 'vegetative' state.
- As for effects.. most likely the same as what's listed above, just far more intense.
- 1500+ seeds: DO NOT DOSE!
- If I had to compare dose amounts to LSD.. I'd say maybe 150-200 seeds is equivalent to a single tab of blotter.
- Remember that LSD and ergoline (LSA/isoergoline/etc..) are different chemicals and give much different trips however.
- An ergoline trip is NOT an acid trip.

- Dose information estimates for Rivea Corymbosa seeds:
- Rivea Corymbosa is in the Morning Glory plant family, so the dose for them is similar to Ipomoeas.
- It is generally believed that Rivea Corymbosa seeds are about 1.5x to 2x as potent as regular Ipomoea Morning Glory seeds.
- So a strong trip would need 400 seeds for Ipomoea Morning Glory, while only about 200-300 or so seeds would be needed for Rivea Corymbosa.
- Dose information for Rivea Corymbosa matches what's listed above for Ipomoea MG pretty well, just with somewhat lower seed amounts.

- Dose information estimates for Hawaiian Baby Woodrose (HBWR) seeds:
- 1-6 seeds is a threshold to mild dose.
- 7-10 seeds is a normal / typical dose (somewhat equivalent to a single tab of blotter..).
- 11-14 seeds for a strong / heavy dose.
- 15-25 seeds for a 'psychedelic' dose.
- 25+ seeds is not recommended. The.. 'vegetative' state is encountered at this level. Can be very dangerous due to vascoconstriction.
- 35+ seeds: DO NOT DOSE!

- Also other notes:
- If you're consuming the seeds with water, DON'T USE TAP WATER. Tap water has chlorine which damages the ergoline alkaloids which you trip out on.
- Always use distilled water over tap water. Or other stuff works like orange juice.
- Don't expose the ground up seeds to heavy light or heat. They both destroy ergoline alkaloids.
- Ergoline alkaloids are extremely sensitive to heat, seriously. Try not to expose them to anything above 75 degrees fahrenheit.
- When storing the whole seeds before you're going to use them, store them in a cold, dark place. A fridge freezer is absolutely perfect.

- Final notes:
- I've also heard that Rivea Corymbosa seeds are the least nausea-prone ergoline sources. Highly recommended. HBWR seeds are second and MG last.
- Ipomoea Tricolor, Ipomoea Violacea, and Ipomoea Purpurea have the highest ergoline alkaloid content in the Ipomoea MG family, in that order.
- Heavenly Blue Morning Glory seeds from the Ipomoea Tricolor family have the absolute highest alkaloid content in the Ipomoea family.
- There is not a lot of variance in Rivea Corymbosa and HBWR seeds so you can get any kind of those and they should work just fine.
- Just about any Target or Home Depot sell Morning Glory seeds. Most nurseries also carry them. Pretty sure Walmart doesn't carry them..
- Not sure where you can get HBWR and Rivea Corymbosa seeds. Maybe try big nurseries.

- So yeah, I HIGHLY suggest not doing an extraction. Taking the seeds directly may get you nauseous, but the trip will be MUCH, MUCH more rewarding.
- Just try to counter the nausea in as many ways as you can and overall something should work and you'll be okay.