SWIM fell in love with Opiates

[SunnyHours]

SWIM had his first Opiates saturday with 2 percocets (unknown doosage, not written). He loved it! SWIM when to bed feeling very good. SWIM also used it on sunday with 1 perc and 3+1(later) Empracet(30codeine/300APAP). SWIM felt even better thant the last time.

Yesterday SWIM wanted to burrow some Oxazepams from his mom because he was having a very hard time finding sleep. SWIM didn't find any, but SWIM found some Hydrocodan. SWIM imidietely new it was Hydrocodone. SWIM counted the pills: 13 - 5mg hydrocodone pills! Yeah!
He proceded crushing 2 pills for insuflation which he found had no effect at all! SWIM, after waiting 45mins for the effects to come on, decided to swallow 2 - 5mg hydrocodone pills. 1h later he felt the effects but not to his desired level. SWIM crushed and swallowed another 5mg pill. This night was the best of all. SWIM really enjoyed the high and went to sleep having really good dreams.
Now SWIM already did 3 - 5mg hydrocodone pills 2hours ago and he's still not feeling it! Should he take the other 3 - 5mg hydrocodone he has left due to his tolerence?

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Stealing meds isnt cool

[Nature Boy]

SWIY appears to be going down a very irresponsible path. Powerful pharmaceutical opiates should not be fucked around with on a regular basis. It's one thing to experiment or use recreationally keeping in mind how addictive they are and how tolerance builds up, but scouring around your mother's medicine cabinet for a quick fix is quite low. If SWIM was in your shoes, he'd have a serious think about what he was doing.

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Is this harm reduction or just self righteousness

[JJx23]

Agreed. You don't want to go down that path, and you don't need the meds. If you were in pain and had a valid prescription, that's a different story, but you are just trying to get high. Not good.

Regards.

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

SWIY appears to be going down a very irresponsible path. Powerful pharmaceutical opiates should not be fucked around with on a regular basis. It's one thing to experiment or use recreationally keeping in mind how addictive they are and how tolerance builds up, but scouring around your mother's medicine cabinet for a quick fix is quite low. If SWIM was in your shoes, he'd have a serious think about what he was doing.

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adds nothing not already posted

[cra$h]

go ahead, have your fun. but the more fun you have, the harder it will be once the supply runs low. respect the drug, and respect yourself. but a good hint to as when it becomes a problem is when you start to change. things like irritability from stupid things is the 1st step. hate to lecture, but just watch yourself.

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Good advice IMO. Respect all substances and be careful with dosages.

[mickenator]

Swiy Is In A Sorry State If Swiy Is Raiding There Mothers Cupboard To Get High> Trust Swim When Its Best You Stay Away Before That Beast Takes Hold And You Really Get Swiy@s Self In Trouble> Doing Anything In Moderation Is Cool But Only In Moderation>

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might as well quote the whole thread

[moda00]

Be aware that many hydrocodone pills also have APAP/acetominophen.. so that one must calculate not only the dosage of hydrocodone but also the APAP, which is often more damaging- something to check out.
edit: apologies if swiy already specified this, swim is not familiar with "Hydrocodan" but perhaps this is a formulation without APAP? If it is just the hydrocodone 5 mg, one could probably safely take three, but may be best to start with one or two and see if one achieves the desired effect.. best to up doses slowly, especially as a new opiate user.

Also, it is certainly okay to have swiyour fun and get swiyour kicks, but just be aware of how one uses the drug and if one is planning to continue using once these pills are gone- think it through to the end. But overall, swim would say check on the other active ingredients before taking the rest, and look into CWE (cold water extraction) if necessary. Best of luck.

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redundant

[SunnyHours]

SWIM would like to make it clear that SWIM does take his mom's meds to get high but those are old meds that SWIM's mother does not use anymore...so he's actually giving them a use :P

[runfrom MURDER]

Ah, another new user who still thinks drugz R teh koolzz!!111

Heh... you'll learn.

[cra$h]

we all know about the acetomenophyn, but how many mg's can be tolerated before using a cwe?

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Ah yes opiates seem sooo wonderful when you first start out.Well swim's whole life is pretty much fucked now because he also fell in love with opiates.Swiy will learn if he keeps on.

[disturbedfuel15]

Everyone here is making great points which shouldn't be taken lightly. SWIM understands that you're probably feeling the same way that he felt when his friends told him about the horrible effects of Salvia Divinorum. SWIM would tell his friends, "I'm not some sissy; I can handle it. You guys are just being overly dramatic. Big deal." Reality is, the day after SWIM tried it, he was warning other curious SWIMers the same way his friends warned him.

SWIM had a great friend of almost 15 years who he lost due to the same thing SWIYour experimenting with. SWIM remembered a time when he and his friend each swallowed a 20mg OxyContin. SWIM had a relaxing, controlled buzz while his friend slaved under the extreme "high." It was a sad day when they met up again a few months later and SWIM's friend required five times the milligrams than SWIM was using to feel any sort of "high."

I'm not saying that SWIYou will end up like SWIM's friend. SWIM isn't saying that the pills SWIYou're using will necessarily have you "hooked" in a few days, or even weeks; SWIM is just asking you to please be careful- consider the consequences of too much frequency. Listen to the advice given from these forum members. I don't believe there are any members who give out false advice just for the hell of it. Most of the SWIMs here know opiate's upsides and downsides and give SWIYou advice so SWIYou don't end up on the wrong path.

With that said-

Enjoy SWIYour opiates, and remember what's been said

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	Try to stay on topic in the thread and be constructive with the post.
	Slightly off-topic but still responsible advice.

[wOrship]

Read these posts well swiSunnyHours, opiates are dead easy to fall in love with but you will find they're a bitch to divorce.

SwiYou is incredibly naive - learn from this forum, read through Recovery & Addiction SwiThey know much more than swiYou, read and learn from them and swiYou may stand a chance of having years of trouble free opiate "love" ahead of swiYou, depending on your personality.

Swim is 'lucky' (if you can call it that) in this respect, he had this hell vicariously. Heroin cut through swims friends like a scythe in the '90s, a couple of deaths, many ruined lives. Swim watched helplessly as some of his closest friends were pretty much destroyed by opiate use and believe me "destroyed" is not too strong a word to use (bear in mind he is talking about some of the survivors here).
Yes admittedly swim is talking about dirty street heroin and it's the adulterants that do most of the physical damage but Hydro and Oxy can certainly get you going for it, once your supply of nice clean pharms runs dry.

Swim also 'loves' opiates, but he loves them in much the same way as a zookeeper might love a bengal tiger in his charge, swim keeps his distance and a very close eye on it all the time - this is not an easy thing to do, somebody on this forum put it this way and I cant think of a better way to describe it "opiates find a way to work themselves into your daily life". Keeping an eye on this is difficult enough for a regular(ish) recreational user, swim cannot imagine how hard it must be for someone going through WD.

Fail to respect this family of drugs and they'll drop swiYou flat on swiYour arse in the worst hell swiYour tiny mind can imagine.. I am saying this but it sounds like swiYou are halfway there already, you just don't quite realise it yet.

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by cra$h

we all know about the acetomenophyn, but how many mg's can be tolerated before using a cwe?

4,000mg spread over a day is enough to cause liver damage. Take that information as you may.

Originally Posted by disturbedfuel15

15 year olds need to stay away from their mom's medicine cabinet before they hurt themselves.

Flaming isn't tolerated on this site. It should be everyone's aim for harm-reduction first, no speak on moral grounds. Posts like this are better off not being made

[runfrom MURDER]

Originally Posted by wOrship

Read these posts well swiSunnyHours, opiates are dead easy to fall in love with but you will find they're a bitch to divorce.

SwiYou is incredibly naive - learn from this forum, read through Recovery & Addiction SwiThey know much more than swiYou, read and learn from them and swiYou may stand a chance of having years of trouble free opiate "love" ahead of swiYou, depending on your personality.

Swim is 'lucky' (if you can call it that) in this respect, he had this hell vicariously. Heroin cut through swims friends like a scythe in the '90s, a couple of deaths, many ruined lives. Swim watched helplessly as some of his closest friends were pretty much destroyed by opiate use and believe me "destroyed" is not too strong a word to use (bear in mind he is talking about some of the survivors here).
Yes admittedly swim is talking about dirty street heroin and it's the adulterants that do most of the physical damage but Hydro and Oxy can certainly get you going for it, once your supply of nice clean pharms runs dry.

Swim also 'loves' opiates, but he loves them in much the same way as a zookeeper might love a bengal tiger in his charge, swim keeps his distance and a very close eye on it all the time - this is not an easy thing to do, somebody on this forum put it this way and I cant think of a better way to describe it "opiates find a way to work themselves into your daily life". Keeping an eye on this is difficult enough for a regular(ish) recreational user, swim cannot imagine how hard it must be for someone going through WD.

Fail to respect this family of drugs and they'll drop swiYou flat on swiYour arse in the worst hell swiYour tiny mind can imagine.. I am saying this but it sounds like swiYou are halfway there already, you just don't quite realise it yet.

Well put man... well put.

Every time one fucks around with opiates (especially the stronger ones), the time that they start fucking around with you gets that much closer.

[SunnyHours]

Alright SWIM feels that he need to say that he is not at ALL addicted, nor is he 15 years old haha.
This was just a brief summary of my "experiences" and how I liked it.
I do agree with all of you since I have seen a couple relatively close aquaintance get in this addiction pattern and also there downfalls so I can understand really clearly.
Sorry not to have made it clearer.

SunnyHours added 4 Minutes and 57 Seconds later...

sorry forgot a couple SWIM and cannot edit.

[nicelymixedup]

I think it good that your asking advise and arent just going ahead with whatever you think works, a bit like i used too, just be careful what ever you decide, only you will really no what your going to do so i guess choose wisely, its good to research these things, and talking to old skoolers like alot of peops on this site wil help too cause they really know what their saying, but then again its so individual,,, someone already said you will learn...either way you will learn....and hopefully in a positive way x best of luck

[BlondieUK]

So many users on here up their own arse..

[ihavequestions]

Originally Posted by BlondieUK

So many users on here up their own arse..

LOL. swim noticed that too. some of the moderators are even worse though. nazis.

as for the topic, swim would reccomend watching APAP as others have said. if swiy are aware of addiction potential and swiy watches it swiy should be fine.

but swim would also like to know the highest dose a person can take at once. anyone know?

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Well if you two aren't satisfied here no ones forcing you to stay.

[nicelymixedup]

Originally Posted by BlondieUK

So many users on here up their own arse..

tell me about it lol

[ihavequestions]

Originally Posted by Orchid_Suspiria

Well if you two aren't satisfied here no ones forcing you to stay.

dont get me wrong. i think the site is good. and almost all of the users are good too. the info on the site is great etc. its just sometimes the moderators needlessly merge threads making it a jumbled mess or they lock or close threads for rediculous reasons. and every one in a while some users get kinda full of themselves but its mainly moderators. and some users (us) end up getting off topic LOL

[nicelymixedup]

orchid? thats such an overly sensitive and strange comment to make in my opinion, still are you pleased you have the right to express it? and we're not in iran or somewhere were you get hung for using drugs or being gay for e.g anyway i still have my opinions and will continue to stay big up to "i have questions 2 very well put my friend thanks you didnt let us down xxx

[waltz#2]

If SWIM remembers right, alcohol can reduce the amount of APAP one can handle dramatically, keep that in mind.

Always ID any pharm's taken. The difference between a 5mg and 100mg hydromorphone can be as small as two digits stamped on the pill. SWIM used to work in a pharmacy. If SWIY had been there, SWIY would check every pill, even if it's written on the bottle what it is. This goes for all pharms, antibiotics, antidepressants, etc. Know what SWIY should have, and what SWIY actually has. It's all out on the internet.
I.E.
http://www.drugs.com/zyprexa-images.html
The difference between the 2.5mg and the 10mg is minute (10mg is bigger, but not having both handy to compare, there is no reference.)

The rest of this is the preachy shit you didn't want to hear in anyone else's posts, but nothing says one can't give advice : D

Some people find that they can get off for a few days, feel shitty for one or two, and drop it for a week/month/ever. SWIM isn't that dude, and most SWIMers aren't. SWIM is probably an addict, even though he uses less than once every month or so. Even if one has a tiger in a cage, one is still bound by the need to feed it, least it die. SWIM deals with a lot of pain to keep the tiger from being strong enough to break out, he knows it would consume him.

SWIM thinks the old time SWIMMERS are put off by the "fell in love" portion, as they've been there. Also, having seen others go down this road, sometimes people think they can see where others have made mistakes and can avoid them. Some people do, others don't, and the people on this forum can't decide for SWIY, but they can tell you the best idea is to forget it ever happened, assuming SWIY can. Assuming SWIY can't, be safe about it.

[OhCasey]

Originally Posted by waltz#2

If SWIM remembers right, alcohol can reduce the amount of APAP one can handle dramatically, keep that in mind.

Always ID any pharm's taken. The difference between a 5mg and 100mg hydromorphone can be as small as two digits stamped on the pill. SWIM used to work in a pharmacy. If SWIY had been there, SWIY would check every pill, even if it's written on the bottle what it is. This goes for all pharms, antibiotics, antidepressants, etc. Know what SWIY should have, and what SWIY actually has. It's all out on the internet.
I.E.
http://www.drugs.com/zyprexa-images.html
The difference between the 2.5mg and the 10mg is minute (10mg is bigger, but not having both handy to compare, there is no reference.)

The rest of this is the preachy shit you didn't want to hear in anyone else's posts, but nothing says one can't give advice : D

Some people find that they can get off for a few days, feel shitty for one or two, and drop it for a week/month/ever. SWIM isn't that dude, and most SWIMers aren't. SWIM is probably an addict, even though he uses less than once every month or so. Even if one has a tiger in a cage, one is still bound by the need to feed it, least it die. SWIM deals with a lot of pain to keep the tiger from being strong enough to break out, he knows it would consume him.

SWIM thinks the old time SWIMMERS are put off by the "fell in love" portion, as they've been there. Also, having seen others go down this road, sometimes people think they can see where others have made mistakes and can avoid them. Some people do, others don't, and the people on this forum can't decide for SWIY, but they can tell you the best idea is to forget it ever happened, assuming SWIY can. Assuming SWIY can't, be safe about it.

I was thinking the same thing but didnt write it as i would come off insulting plus posting a thread like this is asking for the preachy advice from multiple members that this recieved. People are only trying to help i know but it comes off as redundant and you start to skip the sound advice in here when its force fed, he will either control it or learn the hard way no one can or will change it, imo. Off topic I've had a chain pharmacy short me a half of a Norco on a script, I used to count most scripts when i got them and in 4 years its happend once so didnt even mention it. Plus i had it home already and i imagined them looking at me like i was crazy if i went back and complained about half a pill. Another time i filled a script for 60 celebrex (i think) and 30 Baclofen and they gave me the 30 Baclofen plus 60 baclofen instead of celebrex even though the bottle was marked as celebrex. I rather have the Baclofen so i kept it. Sorry to drift off waltz just made me think of that.

[Alfa]

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