is tramadol the cause?

[someone111]

for about 4 weeks swim has been useing ecstasy once or twice a week. At the start of this 4 week period, all was good and swim was enjoying himself pretty well. Recently though, he's just not feeling much from them but being speed up. It's not like the pills are fake or nothing, because they are the same exact ones from the same person swim has always got them from, and all his friends seem to be rollin hard but swim just dont feel it. Another thing is when he uses it now, his pupils dont realy even dilate like they use to and like all of his friends do. Swim does take tramadol but always stops taking it for a day or two before doing ex. Is the tramadol causeing this because i dont think useing ex once to twice a week would stop swim from feeling it this bad...... maybe a break from ex would help though

[Expat98]

Originally Posted by someone111

..... maybe a break from ex would help though

I think you hit on something there.

If swim is going to take this much ecstasy then swim owes it to himself to do some research on it and find out something about it. I suggest doing some reading in this forum. A few thoughts:

1) It is very well known that doing ecstasy multiple times within a short time period usually will reduce the effects

2) Do you know what is in these pills you are taking? You say they're not doing much but "speeding you up". Have you considered that they may just contain speed?

3) Taking Tramadol together with ecstasy is contraindicated. Do some research.

[Mint boi]

What Expat98 said +1.

Tramadol combined with mdma can increase the chance of seretonin syndrome, not good.

[someone111]

i dont usally have time to research things so i just usally post in the forums if i have a question. and i do know for sure the pills are mdma (swim always gets the same ones from the same person and has tested them before)... and there are people who take mdma everyday and still have a feeling of rolling, swim is having a complete lose of the rolling feeling. I don't think a pill once to twice a week will cause that in 4 weeks, thats why im questioning if its the tramadol. I have heard that tramadol can reduce the effects of ex but never found much info on it. Thats why swim waits about a day or two from his tramadol use before taking ex.

someone111 added 3 Minutes and 48 Seconds later...

also i might add this.... the reduced effects didnt start taking place till after swim took tramadol once the morning after rolling because of a bad migrain.... a week after that, swim took ex and didnt feel the rolling and hasn't since..

[Mint boi]

Sounds like toleance/depleted seretonin to my ferret. Take a break.

[RaverHippie]

SWIY will definitely feel a loss of the rolling feeling in that time period with such frequent doses. SWIM attempted to roll 3 times in two weeks and the third time was awful, no rolling feeling just speeded out and anxious. that was after taking SWIM's normal 2 month break in between ectsasy use. It would be very intelligent to dramatically reduce the frequency with which SWIY drops E.

[Panthers007]

Tramadol is a mild SSRI (whatever the heck that means - just quoting here) and will block the entactogenic effects of MDMA. It also blocks methylone and other drugs of this class. Stopping a day ahead is not enough to restore the brain chemistry to normal levels (serotonin). At least a week would be needed. Due to tramadol's acting on serotonin, it is inadvisable to be using it recreationally. If it's actually needed for pain, that's another matter. Consult SWIM's physician.

I, too, would advise SWIM stop the MDMA (and whatever is in the pills) for awhile - perhaps 6 months. That should have everything back in working order.

[someone111]

swim just stopped tramadol a few days ago because his doctor might want to put him on a narcotic instead.... but besides that, (painfully) swim guesses hes going to have to take a vacation from ecstasy. Swim just recently started exploring with drugs like ex, lsd, and shrooms and loves everything about them.

someone111 added 1 Minutes and 28 Seconds later...

how long would swim have to wait to get a full blown roll effect again

[Mint boi]

Swiy will really appreciate taking a break in the long run. Spacing out ones use helps to extended the so-called "Honeymoon" period of mdma.

[RaverHippie]

6 months would be a good break, don't try and shorten it either. SWIY will find that other psychedelics can be just as fun as MDMA.

[someone111]

the problem is, swim can get mdma whenever he wants but other psychedelics are only around once in a blue moon

[RaverHippie]

Use some self-control or else SWIY will never be able to enjoy MDMA again. Is that a strong enough message for some sense to get to ya?

I don't mean to sound harsh but my friends say MDMA is incredibly enjoyable but needs to be shown respect if one is to enjoy it. Put out some effort and maybe something new will be able to be found. Go out to parties, make new connections. ya never know.

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by RaverHippie

Use some self-control or else SWIY will never be able to enjoy MDMA again. Is that a strong enough message for some sense to get to ya?

I don't mean to sound harsh but my friends say MDMA is incredibly enjoyable but needs to be shown respect if one is to enjoy it. Put out some effort and maybe something new will be able to be found. Go out to parties, make new connections. ya never know.

SWIM agrees with this whole heartedly. SWIM made the mistake of abusing MDMA, and after a year of using once a week (more or less) it gave SWIM serious short term memory problems and the buzz just become speedy and amphetamine like.

SWIM gave it a break for almost a year or more and tried again... SWIM was lucky and the magic came back, this isn't the case for everyone. As RaverHippie said, this drug deserves to be treated with respect!