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Old 12-05-2008, 16:40
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is not better use oil instead of water in the push-pull tank?

beacuse HI dissolve in water and is not soluble in oil.
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Old 12-05-2008, 17:24
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Re: is not better use oil instead of water in the push-pull tank?

Swiy will have to elaborate on what exactly they are asking. It is soluble in h20, and as far as Swibf can tell it isn't soluble in any organic solvents.


MSDS(anhydrous salt):
http://www.ilo.org/public/english/pr...3/icsc1326.htm

EDIT: Swibf realized what was being asked, above MSDS not really applicable. He's always gone h3po3 w/ codensor + drying tube. He can't remember what roll the push-pull apparatus is intended for. Is some of the water supposed to be sucked back in at some point? if so this oil ploy isn't going to fly, Swibfs already lowering expectations.

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Re: is not better use oil instead of water in the push-pull tank?

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Is some of the water supposed to be sucked back in at some point? if so this oil ploy isn't going to fly, Swibfs already lowering expectations.
it is true;
and swiy need find and share solution for this problem to use less materials(I & Rp)
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Re: is not better use oil instead of water in the push-pull tank?

Swibf was mistaken fluid should never be allowed enter the reaction from the push/pull apparatus. The combination of red phosphorous and iodine is an extremely intense and the level of intensity is exponentially related inversely to the available h2o and directly to the temperature. This isn't revealing much of any thing, but it is the motivation behind the creation of the push/pull method. There is one and only one simple fundamental difference between a long wet reaction and one utilizing push/pull setup, the rate of reaction.

A long wet reaction calls for the volume of h2o and temperature levels that are manageable for a ghetto or equivalent condenser. The push-pull method reduces the volume of h2o and increases the temperature levels. The level of energy released and volumetric expansion of reactants is worlds apart from what is seen in the other reaction. The quality of the final product yielded in both methods is exactly the same, but the push-pull method in essence reduces the reaction time to completion as well as the yield. The push-pull tanks are simply an apparatus that cleans the gases expelled in the reaction nothing more.

There is nothing that would warrant a replacement of the water within the system with oil. If Swiy is worried about an insufficient level of HI to reduce the pseudo available the answer is LWR. Push-pull saves half a days waiting time, but the sacrifice is in the yield... What leaves the reaction vessel and enters the tanks is a loss and can/will not have even the slightest of impact on the conservation of HI within the reaction vessel.

Push-pull = Tweak sooner, clean the massive gaseous exodus released at the higher rate of reaction so Swiy's neighbors don't get upset when billows of smoke escape Swiy's window.


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