Opinions - how to ask for valium (diazepam)

[bloodred1889]

ok so swim is a long term user of opioids and has now been given tramadol for the pain, it dosnt work ect ect
so swim decided best to go through withdrawels and start again so her tollarence is lower ect ect.

she has read on alot of threads that valium is a good benzo to take for withdrawel, problem is, her doctor is one of those doctors moraly concerned with addiction and dependance ect and so asking for valium gets a big no from him.

so is there a sure way to ask a doctor for valium for only a short period, without letting them no im withdrawing.

swim even said she was anxious which isnt entially a lie, since pain can cause anxiety.
but he still said no, he just gave swim anti depressants.

[Solinari]

Basically, no, there isn't a sure way to get diazepam, in fact it's the last thing some one would get for anything. Tramadol withdrawal, well i don't know about that, there really shouldn't be any need to stop taking tramadol so abruptly that it would cause withdrawal. Surely a controlled reduction is the best way to go, and frankly i am not convinced therapeutic use of tramadol could cause withdrawal severe enough to require diazepam even although i am sure it would take the edge off.

As i am sure most of us know, UK doctors really really don't like giving out benzodiazepines and if there is even a hint of drug seeking then they will be even more reluctant to do it. Doctors don't like getting asked for drugs by name as well, at least not potentially abusable drugs, i mean you could ask for some Gaviscon or something and that would be fine, but diazepam, unlikely, especially if they said no before.

[bloodred1889]

well actually i just read a website from the nhs that has infomation about swims condition, which is fibromyalgia and it actually says diazipam can be used for its muscle relaxent effects, so i may just take that to him, i mean can he really argue with somthing written by the nhs when he works for the nhs.

when i said tramadol withdrawel, the withdrawel was from a previos opioid and i was just put on tramadol, but the tramadol isnt helping my pain.

thats why i asked.

[UpAllNiteOCXTC]

look up valium, see what its used for, go to the appointment, put on a good show, leave with an oscar and a script, laughin all the way to the pharmacy.

a valium habit is hard to kick, keep that in mind

[Solinari]

I see, well if there are withdrawals from coming off a previous opioid which the doctor has caused then i see no reason why this shouldn't be mentioned.

As for the condition, i don't know anything about it, but i still think asking for a drug like diazepam by name will start alarm bells ringing. I doubt very much that it will be prescribed and if it is it will be short term low dose and probably one off. Even although an NHS website mentions something about using a particular drug, i still doubt this would override NHS prescribing guidelines, like don't give out benzo's unless absolutely necessary.

Again, if the doctor gets even a hint of drug seeking behaviour then forget it, and forget getting anything else potentially habit forming without a lot of problems.

[Jatelka]

bloodred, listen to solinari. Your posts here and in opiods, quite frankly, seem like drug seeking: Any doctor in their right mind will run a mile and refuse to prescribe you stuff. As he so rightly says, alarm bells will ring.

Structured exercise programmes have been shown to be effective in fibromyalgia, have you looked into that?

What is your marmoset withdrawing from? Benzodiazepines are are short term fix for symptoms. They will not help you in the longer term.

Your doctor is quite right to be worried about dependence and addiction to benzos: It creeps up insidiously and before you know it...

Believe me, the flamingo knows all too well.

[JJx23]

Perhaps you should be put on a treatment program such as Suboxone. It's a treatment program for withdrawal symptoms of opiates, which I believe you have. If Valium is used as prescribed, it isn't that hard to kick. But if you are going to abuse prescription drugs, well you will have to deal with kicking it, otherwise you can go on a treatment program, if your doctor prescribes the required medication. It seems like UK doctors are very strict on prescribing certain medications, so it might be tedious trying to get Suboxone, but I think that's what you pretty much need, if the withdrawals are that bad.

* One thing, doctors need to have a certain license to prescribe Suboxone, so you can always check with your doctor first.

Regards.

[bloodred1889]

the thing is withdrawels in me are gonna happen since due to my condition i have to take painkillers, im not drug seeking to get high, im drug seeking for my pain.

i asked my doctor for valium because secretyly i knew it would help withdrawel, but also as a muscle relaxent for my pain, i said to the doctor my reasons and was very honest about it and he agreed and gave me some.

this is a thing i really find annoying when drug seeking behavior for a high is exacually the same for someone in alot of pain, you dont want to go home in agony knowing that nothing will stop it, so yeah your gonna beg and plead.

in my experience its all about the doctor, ive found one who isnt an uptight ass, and yes i have tried exercise and many other treatments, the fact is that opioids work the best so thats why i take them and thats why i wthdraw when a doctor takes me off them, but hopefully i will be given somthing else.

chronic pain is a bitch but it dosnt make us druggies.

[JJx23]

Well, that's good that you finally found a doctor "over there" that actually prescribed the needed medication. I swear, I have never heard of doctor's being so uptight. If you have a condition that requires narcotics, well then what's the problem? If the doctor puts you on narcotics, and you are suffering withdrawal, either you abused the drug, or you were on them for a long time, and need to be tapered off of them by your doctor. My pain management doctor made me sign a contract, and in that contract it states that they will taper me off of the drug I am on when it's needed. Are doctor's in the UK that stupid? Or is it just that NHS medical policy, that I thought was really good seeing Moore stated it was great in the movie 'Sicko', but I suppose that's the downside to it.

Regards.

Originally Posted by bloodred1889

the thing is withdrawels in me are gonna happen since due to my condition i have to take painkillers, im not drug seeking to get high, im drug seeking for my pain.

i asked my doctor for valium because secretyly i knew it would help withdrawel, but also as a muscle relaxent for my pain, i said to the doctor my reasons and was very honest about it and he agreed and gave me some.

this is a thing i really find annoying when drug seeking behavior for a high is exacually the same for someone in alot of pain, you dont want to go home in agony knowing that nothing will stop it, so yeah your gonna beg and plead.

in my experience its all about the doctor, ive found one who isnt an uptight ass, and yes i have tried exercise and many other treatments, the fact is that opioids work the best so thats why i take them and thats why i wthdraw when a doctor takes me off them, but hopefully i will be given somthing else.

chronic pain is a bitch but it dosnt make us druggies.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by JJx23

Perhaps you should be put on a treatment program such as Suboxone. It's a treatment program for withdrawal symptoms of opiates, which I believe you have. If Valium is used as prescribed, it isn't that hard to kick. But if you are going to abuse prescription drugs, well you will have to deal with kicking it, otherwise you can go on a treatment program, if your doctor prescribes the required medication. It seems like UK doctors are very strict on prescribing certain medications, so it might be tedious trying to get Suboxone, but I think that's what you pretty much need, if the withdrawals are that bad.

* One thing, doctors need to have a certain license to prescribe Suboxone, so you can always check with your doctor first.

Regards.

Buprenorphine with Naloxone is not available in any European country, only Bupe without Naltrexone, in the form of Subutex of Temgesic.

Originally Posted by bloodred1889

the thing is withdrawels in me are gonna happen since due to my condition i have to take painkillers, im not drug seeking to get high, im drug seeking for my pain.

i asked my doctor for valium because secretyly i knew it would help withdrawel, but also as a muscle relaxent for my pain, i said to the doctor my reasons and was very honest about it and he agreed and gave me some.

this is a thing i really find annoying when drug seeking behavior for a high is exacually the same for someone in alot of pain, you dont want to go home in agony knowing that nothing will stop it, so yeah your gonna beg and plead.

in my experience its all about the doctor, ive found one who isnt an uptight ass, and yes i have tried exercise and many other treatments, the fact is that opioids work the best so thats why i take them and thats why i wthdraw when a doctor takes me off them, but hopefully i will be given somthing else.

chronic pain is a bitch but it dosnt make us druggies.

How did OTC dihydrocodeine work? And has SWIY tried Tramadol? If not, maybe that would be something to try and ask SWIY's doctor before asking for stronger drugs. And has SWIY tried going to a painclinic? Painclinics are aimed at treating both chronic and acute pain, and they are less hesitant to prescribe stronger medicines in less severe situations.

Originally Posted by JJx23

Well, that's good that you finally found a doctor "over there" that actually prescribed the needed medication. I swear, I have never heard of doctor's being so uptight. If you have a condition that requires narcotics, well then what's the problem? If the doctor puts you on narcotics, and you are suffering withdrawal, either you abused the drug, or you were on them for a long time, and need to be tapered off of them by your doctor. My pain management doctor made me sign a contract, and in that contract it states that they will taper me off of the drug I am on when it's needed. Are doctor's in the UK that stupid? Or is it just that NHS medical policy, that I thought was really good seeing Moore stated it was great in the movie 'Sicko', but I suppose that's the downside to it.

Regards.

I've met plenty of people "over here" who were prescribed strong opioids. A friend of a friend of mine has some very serious back problems, which he had several surgeries for. He has been on Durogesic patches for many months now, and had 10mg OxyContin prescribed to him as well, when he was still taking the weaker 25 mcg/hr patches. He now takes plenty of 75 mcg/hr patches a month, and will soon switch to 100 mcg/hr patches. After that, it's 100 mcg/hr patches together with 10 or 20 mg OxyContins. He's actually the source for SWIMs Fentanyl patches, and because pharmaceutical opioids are completely unknown among recreational drug users in the Netherlands, SWIM pays practically nothing for them, he was even given some OxyContins for free. SWIM also bought several blister strips from a former chronic pain sufferer, who didn't need them anymore, and sold them on an online auction site. Another time, SWIM bought a big bunch of painkillers through an auction site as well, and for practically nothing. Among it was some MS Contin, Pentazocine and Tramadol. 12 years ago, SWIMs dad had a hernia. Our family doctor came over to our house and shot him up with morphine. Opioids are certainly available for those who need it, they aren't strictly reserved for dying people on palliative care ...

[JJx23]

Well, all I have been seeing is how strict the doctors overseas are. I mean from extracting a tooth to having a strained tendon, those are painful conditions, and stronger pain medication is needed in a lot of patients. I don't live in Europe, so I wouldn't know, but I do know that over here, it's quite different than what I have been hearing.

Regards.

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

Buprenorphine with Naltrexone is not available in any European country, only Bupe without Naltrexone, in the form of Subutex of Temgesic.

How did OTC dihydrocodeine work? And has SWIY tried Tramadol? If not, maybe that would be something to try and ask SWIY's doctor before asking for stronger drugs. And has SWIY tried going to a painclinic? Painclinics are aimed at treating both chronic and acute pain, and they are less hesitant to prescribe stronger medicines in less severe situations.

I've met plenty of people "over here" who were prescribed strong opioids. A friend of a friend of mine has some very serious back problems, which he had several surgeries for. He has been on Durogesic patches for many months now, and had 10mg OxyContin prescribed to him as well, when he was still taking the weaker 25 mcg/hr patches. He now takes plenty of 75 mcg/hr patches a month, and will soon switch to 100 mcg/hr patches. After that, it's 100 mcg/hr patches together with 10 or 20 mg OxyContins. He's actually the source for SWIMs Fentanyl patches, and because pharmaceutical opioids are completely unknown among recreational drug users in the Netherlands, SWIM pays practically nothing for them, he was even given some OxyContins for free. SWIM also bought several blister strips from a former chronic pain sufferer, who didn't need them anymore, and sold them on an online auction site. Another time, SWIM bought a big bunch of painkillers through an auction site as well, and for practically nothing. Among it was some MS Contin, Pentazocine and Tramadol. 12 years ago, SWIMs dad had a hernia. Our family doctor came over to our house and shot him up with morphine. Opioids are certainly available for those who need it, they aren't strictly reserved for dying people on palliative care ...

[bloodred1889]

Originally Posted by JJx23

Well, all I have been seeing is how strict the doctors overseas are. I mean from extracting a tooth to having a strained tendon, those are painful conditions, and stronger pain medication is needed in a lot of patients. I don't live in Europe, so I wouldn't know, but I do know that over here, it's quite different than what I have been hearing.

Regards.

well i live in the uk and i can tell you a few stories.

once when i was at a rumatologists, when my condition hadnt been diegnosed, she gave me an exam and i told her everything that i felt and about the pain, she had my records and saw that i had been on various opioids and that i was on DHC.
anyway she actually said she thought it was all in my head and that i was just lazy and didnt do enough exercise, like the fact i sat in my chair at the computer was proberly causing alot of my pain, ha yeah so my boyfriend and all my friends who sat in there chairs all day and didnt jog, or do any exercise.. what about them, why didnt they suffer from excruciating pain?

another instance was when i changed doctors once and i had my records on me and it said i had been in pain for 6 years and had tried many things and that i was on DHC. i went in and asked for a refill because i needed it.. anyway she flat out refused to give me them and said she never prescribed opioids exept for maybe cancer.
i told her how i felt and that they helped and my other doctor had given them to me, i also said i had been on them a while and taking me off them suddenly could be bad, she just said its not the kind of attitude this surgary has.
i started crying and said how bad the pain was and she said she would give me some paracetamol and ibeprofen.
this was inspite the fact she knew i had tried them before and that i was in so much pain i cried at night.

in the same clinic i saw another doctor and he read my records and seemed better but he said im taking you off the dhc, i explained again that they helped and thats ll i had found that even eased the pain a little somtimes.
he gave me some painkillers that were non opioids but unfortunatly they made me feel like i was on speed but really sleepy at the same time, thus i couldnt sleep even though i wanted to and i was shaking.. and the pain didnt go away. i changed doctors.

another time i went to the hospital for a kidney problem that i had had 4 times prevoius.
i kept getting excruciating pain in my kidneys and tummy every couple of weeks, each time i went to the hospital and was put on morpine, but the doctors couldnt see anything because there was too much gas when they did an exray and numerous tests, they said it was most lickly a stone but they couldnt do anywathing, they sent me home with oramorph each time and said if it happends again come in again.
obviously they were concerned beacuse it was happening so many times.
ANYWAY it happened again for the 5th time and i was in agony, i was being sick, i coudnt move but i was writhing around in pain.. this time i went in in an ambulance, now normally that got me right into a bed, but this time i had to wait 3 hours in the waiting room, i was crying and shouting and getting really angry, i coudnt even wee.
but they said i had to so they could do tests.
so finally i did.
then after waiting some more this women doctor came and prodded me and i told her it had happened 4 times already and what the doctors expected.
i was crying and saying can i have somthing for the pain.
she said she suspected that actually it may be gastritious and if i took these pills for it it would get better.
fine i was happy to do that, untill she said the tablets will take 48 hours to work.
so she said she would send me home with them, i asked for some pain relief and she said have you got any paracetamol at home because you can take those.. but do NOT take ibeprofen as they will react badly to the pills.
i expplained to her that yes but that didnt come anywere near to taking the pain away and that the other times they had given me morphine and other painkillers..
she looked at me in a really disaproofing way and said if you think im giving you morphine you are mistaken.
even though she could see i was in pain, i had come there in an ambulance and couldnt walk.
i was furious.
i was told to wait till i got my prescription and i was nearly screeming in agony so i asked another doctor who went past if i could get some pain relief, i explained i had been told i had gastritious but he just said take some ibeprofen!
not only was it stupid but if i had been nieve i could have poisoned myself.
oh and to add to the badness of the whole thing we were left to make our own way home, and me nor my boyfriend could drive.. plus the fact i couldnt walk.

it was without doubt the worse i have ever been treated.
and this is why i wish i could pay for my medical needs.

i think its really bad that if you have an accident in the usa and dont have medical insurance, they wont treat you, but im pretty sure its no were near as bad as the nhs in the uk.

sorry for the long post but some of the doctors i have come across have just sickened me and some have even nearly possibly killed me.

anyway thats my experience of the uk.

[drab4]

Originally Posted by JJx23

... Are doctor's in the UK that stupid?

Not at all, in my experience anyway. Over the years I've had some good doctors and a few not so good

As in any profession, you'll find the good, the bad, and the ugly. It's easy enough to switch GP's or even specialists if you're not comfortable with your current one though. In the past when I've had doctors I have not got on well with I've simply changed. As I have moved around the country a fair bit over the years, it's something I occasionally have to do, but in general I've been happy with the majority

I've never personally had any problems being prescribed the appropriate drugs to aid me with withdrawals (withdrawals from alcohol in my case)

Anyway I guess this is all a bit off-topic of me! Glad to hear things went ok for you, BloodRed

[cuddlesthefox]

Pleased to hear you managed to get some diazepam. They certainly do help with withdrawl from opioids. Other things I found helpful are camomile tea (yeah really lol), hot water bottles, a really addictive computer game, porn (maybe not in your case) and alcohol.
But diazepam and sleep are great. And your high tolerance will improve quicker than most people say.
Life on opioids for real pain reasons is a total bitch and luckily I just do it recreationally. After a life of taking just about every drug I can think of, opioids seem the cleanest and safest to me and even when I have stopped abruptly in the past the withdrawls sometimes are not all that bad. Especially with Diazepam.
Good luck pet.

[JJx23]

Taking opioids for pain is fine. That is what they are used for. I take them because I have a chronic pain problem, and I go every two weeks. I take Percocet 10 mg, and they work great. If you are going to a pain management doctor, they will take care of you, at least in the USA. I have heard some pretty bad horror stories over seas though, through the NHS healthcare system, which seems to have it's upsides and downsides.

Regards.

Originally Posted by cuddlesthefox

Pleased to hear you managed to get some diazepam. They certainly do help with withdrawl from opioids. Other things I found helpful are camomile tea (yeah really lol), hot water bottles, a really addictive computer game, porn (maybe not in your case) and alcohol.
But diazepam and sleep are great. And your high tolerance will improve quicker than most people say.
Life on opioids for real pain reasons is a total bitch and luckily I just do it recreationally. After a life of taking just about every drug I can think of, opioids seem the cleanest and safest to me and even when I have stopped abruptly in the past the withdrawls sometimes are not all that bad. Especially with Diazepam.
Good luck pet.

[bloodred1889]

Originally Posted by JJx23

Taking opioids for pain is fine. That is what they are used for. I take them because I have a chronic pain problem, and I go every two weeks. I take Percocet 10 mg, and they work great. If you are going to a pain management doctor, they will take care of you, at least in the USA. I have heard some pretty bad horror stories over seas though, through the NHS healthcare system, which seems to have it's upsides and downsides.

Regards.

wow i saw one of your previous posts about how you get 100 percocets every week or somthing.. or 2.
thats awesome, doctors in the uk will proberly never give me those as they are for extreme cases like cancer, even though fibromyalgia(what i have) is an all over chronic pain and fatigue condition.

i wish i could get a doctor to say right im gonna give you these and when you get addicted and tollarent we will help you through it, not no im not giving you those because you will get addicted, even though i know you suffer in pain so much you cry and cant sleep -.-

[JJx23]

That's definitely not right at all. I need my medication so that I can work and function, not because I am dependant on them in an addiction sort of way, but that the pain in my foot is so bad that I tear up and can't tolerate the pain. That is what pain management centers are there for. They put you on the medication(s) for as long as needed, and then taper you off when you are done with them, provided how long you have been on them, but normally it's for long-term usage, and you can't suddenly stop taking these types of medications.

Hope this helps,

Regards.

Originally Posted by bloodred1889

wow i saw one of your previous posts about how you get 100 percocets every week or somthing.. or 2.
thats awesome, doctors in the uk will proberly never give me those as they are for extreme cases like cancer, even though fibromyalgia(what i have) is an all over chronic pain and fatigue condition.

i wish i could get a doctor to say right im gonna give you these and when you get addicted and tollarent we will help you through it, not no im not giving you those because you will get addicted, even though i know you suffer in pain so much you cry and cant sleep -.-

[Jatelka]

Just for your monkeys info bloodred, from medscape (references can be supplied, if requested):

"A recent, four year, study of opiates in fibromyalgia discovered that the fibromyalgia patients taking opiates did not experience significant improvement in pain at the four year follow-up compared with baseline, and reported increased depression in the last two years of the study. These results suggest that opiates may not have a role in the long-term management of fibromyalgia. In addition, there is emerging evidence that opioid-induced hyperalgesia might limit the usefulness of opioids in controlling chronic pain. Although the mechanisms by which opioids promote pain are not completely understood, recent animal studies suggest that chronic use of opioids induces neuroadaptive changes mediated, in part, through the NK-1 receptor, that result in enhancement of nociceptive input. These results raise the possibility that prolonged treatment of pain with opiates may actually cause unintentional harm to patients."

[bloodred1889]

Originally Posted by Jatelka

Just for your monkeys info bloodred, from medscape (references can be supplied, if requested):

"A recent, four year, study of opiates in fibromyalgia discovered that the fibromyalgia patients taking opiates did not experience significant improvement in pain at the four year follow-up compared with baseline, and reported increased depression in the last two years of the study. These results suggest that opiates may not have a role in the long-term management of fibromyalgia. In addition, there is emerging evidence that opioid-induced hyperalgesia might limit the usefulness of opioids in controlling chronic pain. Although the mechanisms by which opioids promote pain are not completely understood, recent animal studies suggest that chronic use of opioids induces neuroadaptive changes mediated, in part, through the NK-1 receptor, that result in enhancement of nociceptive input. These results raise the possibility that prolonged treatment of pain with opiates may actually cause unintentional harm to patients."

right.
well that is a study, of other people, and like alot of people say its diffrent from person to person.
i have been on many other medications and exercise routines and opioids have been the only thing that work the best for pain, im on anti depressants aswell and now muscle relaxents.
they help, but when i have the really bad times of pain opioids by far are the best.
ive been on opioids for 2 or so years and all i can say is without them id proberly be in a worse situation.
i know the bad side of opioids but as a chronic pain sufferer i dont see the problem as the pain relief far outways the bad side of them.

the way fibromyalgia is treated as there isnt a cure is to manage the various symptons, not cure them, so there is things for the stress, things for the depression, things for the fatigue and things for the pain, and for me opioids have proven to be the best at pain.
not only that but they help me sleep and ease my stress, and thus me taking all these medications helps me to manage my condition and get on with everday things.

i appreciate the resaearch you have shown, but i belive all people are diffrent.

[beentheredonethatagain]

blood red, like Jatelka says , becareful to what you ask your doctor, from the months we have gotten to know you somewhat and you have had your share of pain issues and self medicating. your dr. knows about that and if you now ask for a valium he may quit.

Just go and be upfront. no trying to work him into thinking valium on his own.

you could just bring up the question if valium would take the edge off , and the edge could just be that the opiates give you a certain withdraw feeling, even when they are taken as directed.

or maybe dont say withdraw feelings just call it nervousness.

[bloodred1889]

ok sorry ive confused some people
here are the facts.

swim has tried otc codeine, and dhc.
then she went onto co-proxamol but was taken off, then went on various others for a while untill she got her regular remadine(pracetamol and DHC 30mg)

that worked very well but she got withdrawels and tollarence so she asked her doctor for an alternative or somthing stronger, he said no , but finally swim suggested tramadol and he said yes.

THEN swim moved and had to get a new doctor, the one she has now, he is very nice and seems more understandable.
swim suggested valium because she knew it helps withdrawels, but also for the muscle relaxent properties, this new doctor copmpleatly understood swims reasoning and gave her 20 2mg valiums to try.
he seems like the kind of doctor swim can ask for stuff as long as it makes sence, so swim thinks her furer is going to be better.

no swim hasnt seen a pain specialist but has been over the years to many rumatologists, had mri scans, been to chiropractors and had exercise routines.
swim even had a perioid of time when she didnt take any opioids, but is back on them as the condition got worse.

her new doctor says he is very keen to look after swim and will send her to a pain specialist and also he will look at another opioid to try and some other things.

thats all swim can think of but just wanted to clear things up, thanks for all your suggestions and concerns, hopfully the futer is bright

[bloodred1889]

yes i agree that kidney stones or whatever i had was the worst pain i have ever experienced, actually it was funny but i remember saying when i was in that pain at least my legs dont hurt.

im not sure if i did have kidney stones but the previous 4 times the doctors thought i did, and they gave me the proper medication, they gave me morphine iv, which when i got it was amazing because i could feel the pain gfloating away.
but the last time i went and that women saw me i was so angry, and upset and i went home in agony.. though i have to say that the pills for the gastritious seemed to work, although i cant be sure because everytime i had this kidney/tummy thing it went away on its own and then in a few weeks it came back, so we will have to see.. if it does come back i will demand to stay in hospital until they are 100% sure they know what it is.

i would love to move to the usa, although there are some things i dont like about it.
but i wish the doctors here wernt so uptight and afraid.
they call the us doctors irrasponsable but i think thats wrong.
maybe some doctors in the usa are to eager to prescribe narcotics and it can be a problem, expecially these celebs who all seem to be able to get valium and vicodin and oxys whenver they want even though they apear to have no need for them.
that is wrong i think, but nracotics and opioids are there for a reason, and they are very good at there job, taking away pain.
yes they are addictive and habit forming, but if you need them i think you should be given them.

i have been told alot of times that anything stronger then DHC is only for terminal people, like with aids and cancer or with extreme pain problems like lupus.
but i know me, i know my pain and i know it is really really painful and i wouldnt even wish it apon my worst enemy.

p.s it would be a totally diffrent situation if the doctor who was helping you had the same problem and was refused pain meds.

[JJx23]

Please explain why it wouldn't be neat living in the USA?? Lol, just playing. Morphine IV is very potent, as I was on it before, but I prefer my Percocets over that. Doctors over here are not irresponsible at all. If SWIM is on a pain management program, the doctor monitors that patient by setting a follow-up date to come back and see how the patient's condition is doing. Just like myself. I received my refill of my Percocet yesterday, I have went through about 6 of them because the pain in flaring up. I get 100 every 2 weeks, but there is a line where you can call and ask for a prescription refill if you run out, but the thing is, a doctor will know when you are abusing the drug (urine tests, assumptions that the patient is either selling or using the drug too much), and then calling maybe 4 or 5 days later asking for a refill. I believe I go back to my pain doctor a week before the end of May.

I have never heard of such strict doctors though, but maybe I just haven't experienced that, so I wouldn't know. I do know that I am happy with the way my pain management doctor handles my condition though. I can feel when the pain medication wears off, as the pain in my foot shoots up my leg, and it just throbs non-stop to the point where I can literally scream.

But yes, I love the good ol' USA, and wouldn't want to move anywhere else.

Regards.

Originally Posted by bloodred1889

yes i agree that kidney stones or whatever i had was the worst pain i have ever experienced, actually it was funny but i remember saying when i was in that pain at least my legs dont hurt.

im not sure if i did have kidney stones but the previous 4 times the doctors thought i did, and they gave me the proper medication, they gave me morphine iv, which when i got it was amazing because i could feel the pain gfloating away.
but the last time i went and that women saw me i was so angry, and upset and i went home in agony.. though i have to say that the pills for the gastritious seemed to work, although i cant be sure because everytime i had this kidney/tummy thing it went away on its own and then in a few weeks it came back, so we will have to see.. if it does come back i will demand to stay in hospital until they are 100% sure they know what it is.

i would love to move to the usa, although there are some things i dont like about it.
but i wish the doctors here wernt so uptight and afraid.
they call the us doctors irrasponsable but i think thats wrong.
maybe some doctors in the usa are to eager to prescribe narcotics and it can be a problem, expecially these celebs who all seem to be able to get valium and vicodin and oxys whenver they want even though they apear to have no need for them.
that is wrong i think, but nracotics and opioids are there for a reason, and they are very good at there job, taking away pain.
yes they are addictive and habit forming, but if you need them i think you should be given them.

i have been told alot of times that anything stronger then DHC is only for terminal people, like with aids and cancer or with extreme pain problems like lupus.
but i know me, i know my pain and i know it is really really painful and i wouldnt even wish it apon my worst enemy.

p.s it would be a totally diffrent situation if the doctor who was helping you had the same problem and was refused pain meds.

[bloodred1889]

Originally Posted by JJx23

Please explain why it wouldn't be neat living in the USA?? Lol, just playing. Morphine IV is very potent, as I was on it before, but I prefer my Percocets over that. Doctors over here are not irresponsible at all. If SWIM is on a pain management program, the doctor monitors that patient by setting a follow-up date to come back and see how the patient's condition is doing. Just like myself. I received my refill of my Percocet yesterday, I have went through about 6 of them because the pain in flaring up. I get 100 every 2 weeks, but there is a line where you can call and ask for a prescription refill if you run out, but the thing is, a doctor will know when you are abusing the drug (urine tests, assumptions that the patient is either selling or using the drug too much), and then calling maybe 4 or 5 days later asking for a refill. I believe I go back to my pain doctor a week before the end of May.

I have never heard of such strict doctors though, but maybe I just haven't experienced that, so I wouldn't know. I do know that I am happy with the way my pain management doctor handles my condition though. I can feel when the pain medication wears off, as the pain in my foot shoots up my leg, and it just throbs non-stop to the point where I can literally scream.

But yes, I love the good ol' USA, and wouldn't want to move anywhere else.

Regards.

oh i wasnt calling all doctors irrasponsable, i was saying that doctors over here say that.

100 percocets every 2 weeks is alot, im sure you need them.. can i ask what condition you have?
anyway its also amazing that you can call a line to get a refill.

here i was getting 50 DHC every month, although somtimes id go in every 3 weeks and ask for another, but everytime i went for a refill i had alot of stress because the doctor would always try and take me off them, and say he wasnt happy, id basically get a lecture about addiction and this made me upset, everytime i needed a refill or was getting close to one id get anxious thinking he might not give me anymore, id even plan what i was going to say each visit.
ive also been told i cant get a repeat prescription on any strong opioids because they would always want to see me each visit.
and doctors are always worried that people are abuing there opioids or selling them.
the fact is i only would take 3 tablets a day or 4 when it was bad.
but i know people who can take 20 a day, or like your self who need 100 every 2 weeks.
i doubt i will ever be able to get a steady medication of opioids and certenly not that many.
although thats the kind of treatment i dream of, where i can get what i need and not be lectured and just get a refill whenever i need it and not be afraid or anxious.

i know my pain, and i have flare ups too, when not even my usual DHC will help.
as good as they have been forthe most part actually they are fairly weak, and actually i belive a stronger of longer lasting opioid would be better for me.
but getting the doctors to see that isnt going to be easy.
some doctors over here iether dont know what fibromyalgia is or they dont think its that bad, some even say its not treated with painkillers atall.

because there are so many articles on it and some state that the best thing is exercise and anti depressants.
this is true, and i do both those, i swim and take amytripiline, but that only helps a little.
when i get flare ups, or sometuimes ill have good days or even good weeks, but then ill get perioids of excruciating pain, in my legs and hands and back
its throbbing, shooting, crawling pain, its just everything.
i even find it hard to breath somtimes.

but still i get doctors saying all i need is an anti depressant and a long walk.

hopefully my new doctor will be better though.

[JJx23]

Well, 100 Percocets is the norm I believe. They come in a bottle all sealed, so I know I am getting an extra fresh batch of them, not that it really matters ALL that much, but still.

Sure, I don't mind telling you what my condition is. I had surgery on my big toe (left foot), due to a granuloma that developed, which was also very very painful (which normally are), that when I even put a sock on or got in the shower, it hurt so much. So once the pain got so bad, I had a temporary procedure done, but that didn't work as the granuloma grew back. By the way, this was due to an ingrown nail, so my foot doctor had to perform a surgical procedure that cut a little less than half of the nail off, while injecting a chemical known as phenol. What phenol does is kills the cells that grow the nail back. Here's where the complications come into play. I am very sensitive to the phenol, and when I say sensitive, I mean VERY sensitive to the point where if I even would touch the injection area, it would go right up my foot to my ankle. It's been a little over a month since the surgical procedure, and no healing what-so-ever. The part where my foot doctor operated on is still open and very raw looking, as well as a bit infected. Just imagine your toe nail off, and 100 needles being pushed into the skin under the nail, and that's what I am feeling, along with the burning and throbbing sensation that takes place also. My doctor had to refer me over to a pain management center soI could be on a pain program, since he said this could take three months, five months, even more, he's not sure. So basically I just need to rest and wait until it heals. But I am in total comfort though (actually nodding off a bit now from my medication, so I might not even need my Ambien tonight).

As for the medication you are receiving. DHC is fairly potent as I have read, it's used for moderate to severe pain as well, and it's an opioid, so I don't see why your doctor is being anal about not prescribing it to you anymore. There isn't much information on Fibromyalgia, so a doctor telling you what is needed and what isn't needed isn't exactly the right thing to do, because they don't know exactly how it feels, nor what it totally consists of. I know a few people who have this disease and they're on strong narcotics (Percocet Extra Strength, Demerol, Dilauded), so whatever they are talking about, I don't know...

* Fibromyalgia (FM) is a disorder classified by the presence of chronic widespread pain and tactile allodynia. (Thanks to Wikipedia)

Send the above to your doctor, and maybe he will have a change of heart, or perhaps he will take the bone out of his rear end.

I mean, you are taking your prescription meds as prescribed. I mean my prescription calls for 1 or 2 tablets every four hours, so I average in between 6 and 10 per day, depending on my pain factor. There are nights where I am up until 5 in the morning, when I have woken up at 8 in the morning, so that's a very long day. But you wouldn't consider after midnight the last day either. Anyhow, you seem like the type of person that wouldn't abuse anything, so your doctor is just being a strict, anal, pain in the padded ass.

I wish there was something that could be done, because it must suck being in pain, especially to the point where you cry at times. I have even done so when my toe flares up, so I most definitely know what you are going through.

Best wishes to you,

Regards.

Originally Posted by bloodred1889

oh i wasnt calling all doctors irrasponsable, i was saying that doctors over here say that.

100 percocets every 2 weeks is alot, im sure you need them.. can i ask what condition you have?
anyway its also amazing that you can call a line to get a refill.

here i was getting 50 DHC every month, although somtimes id go in every 3 weeks and ask for another, but everytime i went for a refill i had alot of stress because the doctor would always try and take me off them, and say he wasnt happy, id basically get a lecture about addiction and this made me upset, everytime i needed a refill or was getting close to one id get anxious thinking he might not give me anymore, id even plan what i was going to say each visit.
ive also been told i cant get a repeat prescription on any strong opioids because they would always want to see me each visit.
and doctors are always worried that people are abuing there opioids or selling them.
the fact is i only would take 3 tablets a day or 4 when it was bad.
but i know people who can take 20 a day, or like your self who need 100 every 2 weeks.
i doubt i will ever be able to get a steady medication of opioids and certenly not that many.
although thats the kind of treatment i dream of, where i can get what i need and not be lectured and just get a refill whenever i need it and not be afraid or anxious.

i know my pain, and i have flare ups too, when not even my usual DHC will help.
as good as they have been forthe most part actually they are fairly weak, and actually i belive a stronger of longer lasting opioid would be better for me.
but getting the doctors to see that isnt going to be easy.
some doctors over here iether dont know what fibromyalgia is or they dont think its that bad, some even say its not treated with painkillers atall.

because there are so many articles on it and some state that the best thing is exercise and anti depressants.
this is true, and i do both those, i swim and take amytripiline, but that only helps a little.
when i get flare ups, or sometuimes ill have good days or even good weeks, but then ill get perioids of excruciating pain, in my legs and hands and back
its throbbing, shooting, crawling pain, its just everything.
i even find it hard to breath somtimes.

but still i get doctors saying all i need is an anti depressant and a long walk.

hopefully my new doctor will be better though.