Fastest, Easiest and Best Kratom Recipe

[mobzor]

SWIM's dog was laying around and discovered an awesome Kratom extraction method that is super easy.

1: Get your powered kratom and put it in a small glass cup (choose your dosage maybe about 7g)
2: Pour vodka, rum or whatever har liquer SWIY has laying around into the cup and cover the leaves with the alcohol (let's say about 4 shots for 7g of crushed leaves).
3: Microwave on high untill it comes to a boil (microwave times vary), then shut off the microwave. Wait for it to cool for about 10 seconds, then repeat. Don't overdo the cooking, just get about half of the alcohol to evaporate.
4: Filter the mix with a clean sock (works best, because you can twist the top of the sock and SQUEEZE the hell out of the mix to get every last drop out) , coffee filter or SWIY could consume it with the leaves (best but it's not that wonderful going down my dog said).

The reason this TEK works well is because Kratom alkaloids do not dissolve in water, so mixing kratom with water and drinking won't give SWIY NEARLY the same buzz. The alcohol also amplifies the buzz.


Enjoy!

[Br00klynB0y87]

Originally Posted by mobzor

...because Kratom alkaloids do not dissolve in water

Where did you hear such a spurious assertion? Water is quite effective at pulling out most -if not all of the alkaloids.

Aside from the quid method, the tea method is quite a common method practiced by natives traditionally. -So to say water doesn't water doesn't extracts the alkaloids is quite absurd.

My friend Joey has been making ketum tea for quite awhile now and has tried everything from using water diluted with: vinegar, to something acidic like lemon, to high proof alcohol and has noticed no significant increase in terms of overall potency. Plain water has done just as good of a job.

Joey does like to add a minute amount of alcohol to his brew specifically to lessen the bitterness.

In conclusion, I wouldn't necessarily say the method you pose is the 'BEST' - methods will vary upon personal preference. -But hey if your fond of this method, more power to you.

My friend on the other hand prefers whole/crushed leaf brew into tea.

On the rare occasion when he obtains finely powder material he tends to simply T & W the material.

.peace.

[mobzor]

Originally Posted by Br00klynB0y87

Where did you hear such a spurious assertion? Water is quite effective at pulling out most -if not all of the alkaloids.

Aside from the quid method, the tea method is quite a common method practiced by natives traditionally. -So to say water doesn't water doesn't extracts the alkaloids is quite absurd.

My friend Joey has been making ketum tea for quite awhile now and has tried everything from using water diluted with: vinegar, to something acidic like lemon, to high proof alcohol and has noticed no significant increase in terms of overall potency. Plain water has done just as good of a job.

Joey does like to add a minute amount of alcohol to his brew specifically to lessen the bitterness.

In conclusion, I wouldn't necessarily say the method you pose is the 'BEST' - methods will vary upon personal preference. -But hey if your fond of this method, more power to you.

My friend on the other hand prefers whole/crushed leaf brew into tea.

On the rare occasion when he obtains finely powder material he tends to simply T & W the material.

.peace.

I hate to be a jerk, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Your friend who makes Kratom tea with water wastes tons of the alkaloids. The natives never made tea, they chewed the leaves.

"Best" method has nothing to do with personal preference. In face I challenge somone to compare my method, even will ALL of the alcohol boiled off to the regular "water" extractions.

The strongest active alkoloids in kratom will NOT dissolve in water. Just like Dextromethorphan HBr will not dissolve in water.

Sure if you make kratom tea with water only, you will get a buzz, but it's not getting all of the alkoloids, and when you throw away the leaves, you are wasting the kratom.

KK thanks.

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by mobzor

I hate to be a jerk, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Your friend who makes Kratom tea with water wastes tons of the alkaloids. The natives never made tea, they chewed the leaves.

"Best" method has nothing to do with personal preference. In face I challenge somone to compare my method, even will ALL of the alcohol boiled off to the regular "water" extractions.

The strongest active alkoloids in kratom will NOT dissolve in water. Just like Dextromethorphan HBr will not dissolve in water.

Sure if you make kratom tea with water only, you will get a buzz, but it's not getting all of the alkoloids, and when you throw away the leaves, you are wasting the kratom.

KK thanks.

when asked to give source one's argument it is then usually polite to give one, not to launch into a contentious tirade reiterating previously said points which have already been called into question.

[radiometer]

Originally Posted by RaverHippie

when asked to give source one's argument it is then usually polite to give one, not to launch into a contentious tirade reiterating previously said points which have already been called into question.

He/she did not ignore me, we were posting simultaneously.

mobzor, links to sources of any product whatsoever are explicitly forbidden here, so if you can edit your post you should do so. I do thank you for providing a reference, though it has not quite convinced me yet that water extractions are not useful. The natives have tried both making tea from and simply eating powdered kratom, and have not noticed a substantial difference in potency. One does, however, see claims of the opposite.

In my point of view the jury is still out on this one, until I see some hard numbers regarding solubility. I note that the article you referenced does not explicitly state that mitragynine is insoluble in water.

[Richard_smoker]

Originally Posted by radiometer

thank you for providing a reference, though it has not quite convinced me yet that water extractions are not useful. The natives have tried both making tea from and simply eating powdered kratom, and have not noticed a substantial difference in potency. One does, however, see claims of the opposite.

In my point of view the jury is still out on this one, until I see some hard numbers regarding solubility. I note that the article you referenced does not explicitly state that mitragynine is insoluble in water.

yeah, i'm sorry, but I know that it seems like I'm going against progress, but I've just GOT to agree with radio on this one. If there's anything I know--it's that god-awful tasting shit which whose purchases suddenly came to a screeching halt when swim realized that he was being delivered as powder product that seemed very likely to be frickin CUT (with damn, sawdust i guess... or some other kinda dried up leaves or tea leaves that are placed into their "industrial grinders."


to settle this debate, Radiometer, you know you're correct because swiy is well-versed in this subject,

What I'm going to say, is probably going to make you slap yourself in the forehead, Radiometer, catch this...HOT water has very different solubility than when the water is cold or room temperature... HEATED water will dissolve MUCH MORE of a comparatively UNwater-soluble compound. think of hot soup as an example...now as the soup cools, grease bubbles might appear on the surface of the liquid, but when you're adding heat to the water (as in the tea-method for kratom), this method increases the energy level of individual molecules of water, and as their respective energy level rises, there is increased bouncing around of H2O molecules....and for whatever reason, your shit dissolves in this...this warm...and really good stuff called tea....or in swim's case, tea with a generous helping of regular sawdust...mmhmmm good...

Think about how shitty the tea would be if you just soaked the leaves in cold or room-temp water...and then tried to drink only the water for the same effect! lol...
-DICK

[mobzor]

Mitragynine is the most abundant alkaloid in the plant, and for this reason was long assumed to be the major chemical responsible for the effects of kratom. It was first isolated in 1907 by David Hooper, a process repeated in 1921 by E. J. Field, who gave the alkaloid its name. Its structure was first fully determined in 1964 by D. Zacharias, R. Rosenstein and E. Jeffrey. It was not until 1995 that H. Takayama et al. at Chiba University were able to synthetically produce mitragynine. It is structurally related to both the yohimbe alkaloids and voacangine. It is more distantly related to tryptamine-based psychedelic drugs such as psilocybin, ibogaine or LSD. Chemically, mitragynine is 9-methoxy-corynantheidine. It has the molecular formula C23H30N2O4 and a molecular weight of 398.49. Physically the freebase is a white, amorphous powder with a melting point of 102-106°C and a boiling point (bp5) of 230-240°C. It is soluble in alcohol, chloroform and acetic acid. The hydrochloride salt has a melting point of 243°C. It appears that it may be a fairly stable compound, as a mitragynine ethane disulphonate reference sample tested after fourteen years by TLC produced results not substantially different from fresh mitragynine picrate.

http://www.wholesaleshamanicherbs.com/kratom-alkaloids.htm

[Br00klynB0y87]

Originally Posted by mobzor

I hate to be a jerk, but you have no idea what you are talking about...

No need for such a strident response especially when your not considering all the points and are quick to denounce all my statements.

It is quite nonsensical referring to mitragyna speciosa and dextromethorphan in the same sentence, frankly I don’t see the correlation.

As I previously stated, my friend has tried many methods when brewing tea, and water has proved to be more than efficient.

Also, as radiometer pointed, not all care to combine their kratom with alcohol. -Especially those who have starting using kratom for the sole purpose of kicking their drinking habit.

As I previously stated, the method one chooses to consume their kratom is all a matter of personal preference.

.peace.

[radiometer]

Interesting idea.

The crazy natives out here find that alcohol and kratom do not always combine happily together in the stomach when taken closely together, so they probably wouldn't be too hot on consuming a couple shots of liquor with their kratom. It might be better to use a double boiler arrangement with a saucepan or something to reduce the liquor, rather than microwaving, to avoid high temperatures.

Kratom alkaloids do not dissolve in water

Say what? Got a reference for this claim?

[radiometer]

Could you kindly provide a reference for this claim?

[RaverHippie]

Thanks

On a sidenote I found it very interesting that the commercial site stole all that information directly from wikipedia...

[mobzor]

I guess I have always understood this as a fact. When SWIM tried kratom for the first time, he thought it was ok until SWIM read a book, then realized he was doing it all wrong.

Like SWIM said, it's like some guy telling you mixing water with robotussin cough syrup and straining off the water and drinking it helps "remove the alkoloids". It's nonsense. Certain alkooloids such as most of the ones found in kratom are not waterborne.

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great post

[mobzor]

SWIM never said they are not useful, they just are nothing close to the potency of an alcohol extraction. Try it yourself.

[TabuIsMe]

SWIM agrees with the post above SWIM.
Its all down to personal preference, whats the best for SWIY might not even be an option to somebody else. He's provided information to back up his claim thats its efficient, which is useful and good to know and if somebody wants to use it they now can because someone has provided a good recipe for it. If SWIY still thinks your method is better, than just use SWIY's own method. Its all opinion and not fact.

TabuIsMe added 0 Minutes and 51 Seconds later...

Quick addition to post above:
Its all opinion and not fact when it comes to SWIY's personal reaction since everybody wont react the same.

[sirdrugalot]

has swim considered it seems stronger when made with alcohol because there are two shots of rum, vodka, whiskey or so froth in the tea?
like when swim skulls a few beers with some codeine.