The Fourth Dimension (DXM trip)

[Euthanatos93420]

Edit 01/09/09: Wow, reading this thread again is amazing. Swim was so egotistical to put this here instead of DXM reports. Ah well. Swim now understand why using exact terminology is so important and can't even fathom how he allowed this to be so convoluted and not clarify himself accurately. Still, this is why he loves this forum. THese mistakes show him how far he has come. Like a journal. So, this edit is to clarify that by Dex, he meant Dextromethorphan. That might make some more sense now.

Swim has been telling about his absolutely fuckd up Dex&Mary trip. Yesterday Swim went to the mall trippin balls on 800mgs of dex (9.75 mgs/kg). He had to buy a USB game pad for his emulator (Which he called a 'Controller' which was just a bit trippy). So he drinks 64 oz of WGFJ starting at about noon and dosing with the last of it at 4pm. (WALKS out to the mall at 5. As he crosses the parking lot he has an experience that he reckons to be much like a salvia trip when dexing but he felt more lucid and was through the experience much more quickly with the message sent to him.

"This is a test. Just keep on going"

This phrase repeated OVER AND OVER AND OVER again the entire time he was at the mall tripping balls. Now, Swim was trippin pretty damn hard. He's pretty sure that anyone who got a good look at his eyes could tell. Swim had to fend off paranoia from setting in by reasoning that it didnt matter squat if anyone could tell as long as he kept his bearings, people wouldnt know just how fucked up he really is. Swim cannot express the point to which that phrase helped him maintain his cool, and make decisions during his trip. It seemed to be both a deep insight to the universe as a whole as well as specific instructions for handling every moment of his experience while at the mall. It was also everything in between at the same time.

Swim theorized what the fuck was going on while he walked around the mall. He came to the conclusion that he was being contacted by fourth dimensional beings. Himself to be specific. These beings exist in the fourth dimension. We are merely 3rd dimensional projections of these beings. It gets REALLY complicated when you realize that we actually extend to an infinate number of dimensions but it really starts to lose definition at a certain point. At the third and fourth dimension we gain the most defenition before it spills out into redundancy. Tripping opened certain portions of my brain that allowed them to send messages through. Which is what the message was about, they were testing to see if they could contact me. They also needed to have me function in an interactive and dynamic environment they could manipulate to communicate with me. So they said, "This is a test, Just keep on going." I could say stuff back. One i was fond of repeating was "Roger, coming in loud and clear."
When it was dawning on swim that this is was was happening, (4th dimensional beings contacting him at strange angles) he was more than a little freaked. He thought 'This is a test just keep on going...' but received a new message. 'No, this is the real thing, just keep on going'. He felt as if stuff was being crammed into his brain and he felt like his head was expanding like a balloon. Then he started having epiphanies about 'them'. He realized at this point that 'they' are HIM. Swim IS 'them'. They're multiple facets of the same 4th dimensional creature looking for ways to communicate with itself across multiple dimensions. Swim realized that his body was only a projection of the 4th dimensional being on a three dimensional plane.

So, now that swim realizes all of this, and is sober. He's also put together a thousand connections between this and other theories as to what the hell is going on at it makes so much damn sense he feels like he's fucking insane.

Fortunately he's not still hearing voices in his head lol. Still, the weird part is that it wasn't just a 'voice in his head'. The message, the words, were objects, a part of swims being, they flowed through his form and were one with him and came into understanding in his mind through his self awareness and by looking at himself in third person he could see the words spelled out with his 'astral body' if you will (for lack of any better terminology).

Any ways....make of it what you fucking will lol. Swim doesn't REALLY think he's crazy but a part of him feels that this is really REAL. Fortunately the voices in his heard aren't telling him to do crazy shit....they're not telling him to DO anything. They're just explaining to him what reality is. There is SO much more that they conveyed to me that I wish I could put down here but the ideas don't really match the words I would associate with them. When I say, 'They have extremely advanced technology' I don't think it is the same as one might think that means. It FEELS more like their 'scientific understanding of their 'world' and their ability to manipulate it is stronger than ours and they're trying to help us catch up.'

I think time IS the fourth dimension. I think that's how things happen that seem like coincidences but aren't. There is a certain lack of randomness to the world around us that seems to be couched in coincidence but never is. I think some people call it God. And maybe it is. Maybe we are God. Which is more or less the theory i hold to, and WE, never I, for I is not God. I&I is, I always like the way that was put. Anyway, there's definitely something much bigger going on here.

This just in:

Time is repeated. ALMOST exactly the same every time. DEJA VU happens when they change something. This is the fifth Dimension. So on and so forth.

Angels are 4th dimensional beings. God is the 5th.

Dimensions become infinate and redundant and like the mass of an electron, require a NEGATIVE INFINITY to create balance.

If I'm getting this correctly, Self-Awareness is produced by manipulating the lesser dimension.

I may be wrong about my dimensional assignments. In Khabbalistic mythology there were eleven total dimensions If one assigns 2+Malkuth for 3D reality, 2 archangelic, 1 Voice of God, ain, ain soph, & ain soph aur, and finally, God. Now that I think of it...Didn't superstring theory say something about 11 dimensions?

Wait that's only ten...

From what I understand one can supplicate up the tree of life. The higher up one goes on the tree the larger the 'adjustments' one might request. Those who talk about crossing the abyss report it to be like crossing a void, or a huge hole in the ground. Perhaps this is another dimension, one present by proximity of nemesis adjacent to all the dimensions.

The opposite of something is nothing. Not to say that nothing is not real. Nothing is very real and can impact our lives and define our every move. Whose to say nothing isn't better. It's just a choice. It doesn't matter anyway because...this is a test, just keep on going.

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[Euthanatos93420]

Sorry for double posting, but I have so much to add, and with no responses yet but so many reads, I though it'd be good to notify and update with a bump.

First of all, this has resulted in a series of epiphanies with a little bit of calculation. Assuming their are multi dimensional beings (More specifically, beings that encomass various dimensions), I've come to consider what a fourth dimensional being would look like. Or more specifically, what WE would look like. i had the image of a tree.

WE ARE BEING GROWN. It seems to me that a 4th dimensional creature with 'technology' (Or a relative sentient ability to interact with it's environment in a meaningful way), could, easily travel to a particular planet, affect it's development at crucial points, then take advantage of a particularly fertile point in the planet's development to PLANT a new species.

If we correlate this to biblical metaphor, Then, theoretically, God COULD have created the earth in JUST SEVEN DAYS. Sure, a few hours here and a couple of changes, Poof, we have a sun. Another day, go back and put in the water. All it would take is a IMMENSE understanding of terraforming and 4th dimensional star charts and records. Find a good Sun (Day1). Affect the settling of the dust cloud into planets (Day2), Get water, (day 3) Plant Genes for life, etc. Sure, Darwinism works....but we've kinda been studying the odds...yeah sure it's a little...rare...but the universe is big, right?

The question is then, if we were 'planted,' why? Well, if we were planted with a specific purpose, and our DNA pretty well mapped out...but maybe it wasn't. Maybe they had to take steps to let A certain natural DNA develope. Making changes that boosted 'evolution' Probably only take ONE DAY to do that, considering that they probably do it in a matter of hours. Having enough statistical data on the common development of life in a certain environment. They could know when to jump to, whaty changes would need to be made. THey could easily make observations a couple of minutes of changes calculated by a comp If they screwed up they can undo, redo etc. Evolution seems like a massive process that takes a lot of time. But if you exist in the fourth dimension, then you can achieve things relatively quickly and then skip to WHEN IT COUNTS. The human race. It's like watching a tree grow. It's one of the reasons we're afraid of the APOCOLYPSE. It's sort of like a stop-run on a computer program that a software engineer is developing. So it's happen, and on a fifth dimensional scale, it's happend A LOT of times. And every time it happens, it was engineered, the flood, the meteor that destroyed the Dinosaurs. They, have to keep the race from errantly developing a destructive force before it develops the self control to not inadvertently use it before it even understood it.

Doomsday averted. Nuclear war is the kill switch. Inevitably the angels have committed genocide a million times over. But they have to go back in and fix things. Once things are they way they want them, they avert doomsday and work a little more. Now it's probably more a matter of convenience than anything so drastic anyway. Nothing gives you back pain like having to duck while you're at work all day.

Okay, the 5th dimension. So Star Trek is all in love with 'temporal paradox' and shit, I can't help but think it's not quite that complicated. 'Sliders' an old favorite TV show of mine (Season 1&2 anyway) was based on the theory that there are infinate dimensions spierwebbing out everytime an alternate possible universe is created. The thing lacking in such a theory is the question, "What defines a choice?" Or more specifically, what defines a universe split? The vibration of electrons? Human choice? etc. etc. So, what if the universe didn't split. What if it traveled on an inevitable path until something in the fourth dimension changes. This is the fifth dimension: Time in the fourth dimension. So on and so forth for the sixth dimension.

It's like looking in a mirror when there is a second behind you. This is a test, just keep on going.

[UpAllNiteOCXTC]

yes. swiy is. lol kidding

swiy made a mistake that a moderator might get irritated about... the title of this thread is vague and in the first person.

now give swim a few days to read all this stuff lol

[Panthers007]

As has been known for quite awhile - at least since the 1960's - large doses of amphetamines, methylphenidate, etc. can cause a hallucinogenic 'trip' of sorts. In fact some people seek out this effect.

The reason I call this 'hallucinogenic' rather than psychedelic is stated in the above narrative: The person undergoing this has difficulty separating reality from illusion.

[UpAllNiteOCXTC]

in other words, dissociative?

[Euthanatos93420]

Originally Posted by Panthers007

As has been known for quite awhile - at least since the 1960's - large doses of amphetamines, methylphenidate, etc. can cause a hallucinogenic 'trip' of sorts. In fact some people seek out this effect.

The reason I call this 'hallucinogenic' rather than psychedelic is stated in the above narrative: The person undergoing this has difficulty separating reality from illusion.

Sorry about the title, Swim expressly requested it as a bit a humor that seems to have been without a punchline...

Anyway Swim is aware of the the perception/reality paradox as an avid RPG Storyteller he's seen this in people who weren't even on dope (Well...not the chemical kinds...let me tell about some of these geek fiends man lol). Anyway swim seems to think that the trip did open up a message that was meaningful, calming and powerful. Moreover these insights he's had he thouroughly understands that they are just theories. In fact Swim is having trouble describing exactlty what he's seem. His use of vague metaphor can't convey the images that connect in his head.

Furthermore it links and connects many other of swims philosophies that he's had from similar (Though never nearly as powerful or clear...swim has been learning to open up more) experiences, both drug induced and sober research and experience.

Moreover, swim never hallucinates. As in, see things or hear voices that aren't there. Swim was not unable to sort out the experience from the reality that was occuring at the same time he was tripping. The funny thing is, paying attention to the message was exactly what kept swim sober, reminded him of his environment, kept him from being paranoid, etc.

[~lostgurl~]

Originally Posted by euthanatos93420

Sorry about the title, Swim expressly requested it as a bit a humor that seems to have been without a punchline...

Not from me you didn't and this post is in my forum. Title changed.

[Matt The Funk]

Originally Posted by UpAllNiteOCXTC

in other words, dissociative?

In other words psychosis and delrium. I'm too out of it from lack of sleep to even be able to read that, but skimming through I think I can tell you SWIM has been in a frame of mind like that a quite a few times...

[~lostgurl~]

And with amphetamines this is either sleep deprivation or an overdose. It is not the general effects of amphetamines.

[Euthanatos93420]

Originally Posted by ~lostgurl~

And with amphetamines this is either sleep deprivation or an overdose. It is not the general effects of amphetamines.

I'm sorry for the misnomer. Swim should have used better terminology. He learns as he goes along. Much as the revelation dictated. He meant Dextromethorphan & Salvia.

[psychoshaman]

Originally Posted by Euthanatos93420

Sorry for double posting, but I have so much to add, and with no responses yet but so many reads, I though it'd be good to notify and update with a bump.

First of all, this has resulted in a series of epiphanies with a little bit of calculation. Assuming their are multi dimensional beings (More specifically, beings that encomass various dimensions), I've come to consider what a fourth dimensional being would look like. Or more specifically, what WE would look like. i had the image of a tree.

WE ARE BEING GROWN. It seems to me that a 4th dimensional creature with 'technology' (Or a relative sentient ability to interact with it's environment in a meaningful way), could, easily travel to a particular planet, affect it's development at crucial points, then take advantage of a particularly fertile point in the planet's development to PLANT a new species.

If we correlate this to biblical metaphor, Then, theoretically, God COULD have created the earth in JUST SEVEN DAYS. Sure, a few hours here and a couple of changes, Poof, we have a sun. Another day, go back and put in the water. All it would take is a IMMENSE understanding of terraforming and 4th dimensional star charts and records. Find a good Sun (Day1). Affect the settling of the dust cloud into planets (Day2), Get water, (day 3) Plant Genes for life, etc. Sure, Darwinism works....but we've kinda been studying the odds...yeah sure it's a little...rare...but the universe is big, right?

The question is then, if we were 'planted,' why? Well, if we were planted with a specific purpose, and our DNA pretty well mapped out...but maybe it wasn't. Maybe they had to take steps to let A certain natural DNA develope. Making changes that boosted 'evolution' Probably only take ONE DAY to do that, considering that they probably do it in a matter of hours. Having enough statistical data on the common development of life in a certain environment. They could know when to jump to, whaty changes would need to be made. THey could easily make observations a couple of minutes of changes calculated by a comp If they screwed up they can undo, redo etc. Evolution seems like a massive process that takes a lot of time. But if you exist in the fourth dimension, then you can achieve things relatively quickly and then skip to WHEN IT COUNTS. The human race. It's like watching a tree grow. It's one of the reasons we're afraid of the APOCOLYPSE. It's sort of like a stop-run on a computer program that a software engineer is developing. So it's happen, and on a fifth dimensional scale, it's happend A LOT of times. And every time it happens, it was engineered, the flood, the meteor that destroyed the Dinosaurs. They, have to keep the race from errantly developing a destructive force before it develops the self control to not inadvertently use it before it even understood it.

Doomsday averted. Nuclear war is the kill switch. Inevitably the angels have committed genocide a million times over. But they have to go back in and fix things. Once things are they way they want them, they avert doomsday and work a little more. Now it's probably more a matter of convenience than anything so drastic anyway. Nothing gives you back pain like having to duck while you're at work all day.

Okay, the 5th dimension. So Star Trek is all in love with 'temporal paradox' and shit, I can't help but think it's not quite that complicated. 'Sliders' an old favorite TV show of mine (Season 1&2 anyway) was based on the theory that there are infinate dimensions spierwebbing out everytime an alternate possible universe is created. The thing lacking in such a theory is the question, "What defines a choice?" Or more specifically, what defines a universe split? The vibration of electrons? Human choice? etc. etc. So, what if the universe didn't split. What if it traveled on an inevitable path until something in the fourth dimension changes. This is the fifth dimension: Time in the fourth dimension. So on and so forth for the sixth dimension.

It's like looking in a mirror when there is a second behind you. This is a test, just keep on going.

WE ARE the crop getting ready for the harvest...

psychoshaman added 4 Minutes and 39 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by psychoshaman

WE ARE the crop getting ready for the harvest...

maybe an experiment in emotion

[dxmin]

swim took 1 box of the old school clordedian cough and cold with 16 pills within,name brand c++. swim noticed a fast onset,non consumeing and manaaghable not at all scared or paranoid.Swim took the skittles with the bevereage canberry sevenup,after all swim had really lost 122 lbs so his theraputic levels had lowered for adderall and dxm,lost the weight from adderrall useage on therapuic level,but pleasant,swim then rushed and snorted 20mg of focaln rapid release and at this point swim hit the most intense phsycosis/acid like trip.Swim continuues on having a deeper awarness of the spirtual realm but not at all paranoid or nervious,then as swim rites this swim has to close one eye,swim has to switch between eyes because the briteness level in the dark room is blinding him,swim has to stop typeing to go urinate behind his dresser in a gallon jug.Swim tryes to do so while siting on ground,he slides his whoel body out of the chair liek a snake, standing and sitting in chair swim atempts this and speals urine on himself so stood up and cleaned self then went to sit.Swim never urinates because either muscles or carlights outside distract swim.swim sits down naked and trys to play runescape but swim cant even log in to his laptop,swim forgets how to shut it down.So swim pulls plug and holds down power button.swim was prostate alot pukeing and spiting up acid like muscus. Swim fealt as though he was completly under the power of demonic legions while under this level of enebration.Swim wakes up refreshed to take his focalyn orally insted of snorting,swim decides never to do dxm again just as he has many other times,swim woke up glad to be alive rather then im the dumps.Swim would not take this experience away but would never repeat it.Swim feeels God wanted him to live so he could not die,swim had less of a trip then this before and nearly died.Swim never had to rush to the hospital this time.

[Euthanatos93420]

Dude, do NOT use CCC's/skittles/corcidin cough and cold. Use DXM ONLY products. Check the DXM forums for more info. Also, this is really a thread about a philisophical/conceptual insight that came from DXM, and less a DXM trip report. At least that's how I thought of it when I wrote it for Swim.

...like...a year ago...

[72hours]

Swim is in a bit of a rush and does not have too much to add right now but all swim knows is when swim take between 900mg-1200mg swim is literally conversing with extraterrestrials. swim understands chemicals effect each individual differently but swim was curious if any other swimmers have experienced this? swim likes to think of it as a super intense lucid dream and as long as swim thinks its real during the time its being experienced then how is it any less real than getting out of bed to go brush your teeth each morning?

[Euthanatos93420]

At the time I was certain they were aliens. I can't be sure that salvia wasn't a contributing factor because Swim has only had three such experiences on DXM and all three times Salvia was smoked immediately prior to or during the DXM trip.

Also, all three doses were ~10mgs/kg.

It is better to speak of DXM doses in Xmg/kg vs actual consumed mgs. It's not hard to weigh yourself (and convert to kg w/ google if necessary) then reduce to X/1 ratio.

[novaclay]

Swim was reading about swiys multi dimension shit and feels as if he might not have linked it to other dimensions but definitely has similar thoughts.
would it make sense to any swiy to agree that we have no choice other then to do what we do? as in.. swim cant stop himself from posting this message because everything that has happened to him thus far has led him to this moment.
Sure, tomorrow swim doubts anyone will give a fuck, but right now... this is what swim must do. and if he deletes all this and tries to prove himself wrong, all swims proving is that he was never meant to post it at all.
Swim has an outstanding belief in catch-22.
the phrase "fuck my life" comes to mind.

[Euthanatos93420]

If, in the grand scheme of things, nothing we do matters, then the only thing that can matter to us is what we do right now.

See, there is this dimension that most people fail to consider things from. It is called story, or drama. It isn't difficult to get caught up in what happens to us and shortsightedly miss the fact that our story isn't about what happens to us. Our story is about what we do about what happens to us. We all hate stupid drama but the truth is that the kind of shit that happens to you depends on the history of drama you have created your & ability/will/character to find the 'best' possible solution.