injecting help

[pirate24]

Swim follows the instructions EXACTLY, the needle appears to go into the vein but whenever he pulls back the syringe... nothing but air. What the hell is he doing wrong? He knows it isn't the syringe's fault because he has tried MANY. This is frustrating beyond belief, made all the more frustrating by the fact that he has veins that most junkies would kill for. How far in does the syringe have to be exactly? He's tried it at all depths (i.e. 1mm in 2mm in, etc).

EDIT: He tells me he uses 27g syringes, if that's important. Two hours later: he's now wasted 4 syringes and untold quantities of dope. He has a sore, bloody arm, scaly and hard veins and absolutely nothing to show for it. This defies logic, he sees the needle go directly into the vein so he seriously doubts it's because he's missing them. He's gone through a number of syringes so they can't be the problem. Any thoughts?

[fnord]

once the needle is in you slowly move it in and out untill you find the right spot and see blood "register" in the needle.

Hope this helps,also many people have problems hitting viens at first,give it some time,and what do you mean your wasting dope? are you just throwing the needle and dope out after you try?

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[pirate24]

Originally Posted by fnord

once the needle is in you slowly move it in and out untill you find the right spot and see blood "register" in the needle.

Hope this helps,also many people have problems hitting viens at first,give it some time,and what do you mean your wasting dope? are you just throwing the needle and dope out after you try?

Well he kind of has to throw the needle out (along with the dope) since, by the end, it's so clogged up with blood he can't even see through it. The thing is, sometimes blood registers but whenever he pulls back on the plunger... just air. I'm thinking he must be holding the syringe wrong because he just can't keep it still; he is not one of those people with a steady hand, under normal circumstances his hand shakes whenever he holds it up. Add to that the fact that, when shooting, he gets nervous that he might he fuck it up. Is there any special way to hold the syringe because pulling back on the plunger is always so awkward?

[fnord]

Grandma holds it with one hand and pulls the plunger back with ehr teeth,shes never been able to get the hang of the one handed stuff.

Save your blood ridden dope evaperate the water and snort/smoke it you could also do an extract if snorting blood is a turn off:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sea...earchid=834140

[Solinari]

Some one has to learn to pull back the plunger with one hand, that's how it's done, practise can be done without actually inserting the needle, or practise on a piece of fruit (orange is best probably). No air should be getting in to the syringe at all, if some one misses a vein then a vacuum should form and while a space will appear, it isn't air, it's a vacuum and the plunger should be pulled back in automatically from the suction. If air is getting in the syringe after its been inserted then there is something wrong with the syringe/needle.

Have a look at A Guide to Safer Injecting. For anyone looking at this, it does talk about using an acid, only use an acid if it's brown heroin 3 and insoluble in water alone, if there is doubt about what kind it is then there is no harm in trying to dissolve it in water first, without an acid.

[Ellis D.]

clean SWIMs injection area on arm/leg/wherever there is a juicy vein. Begin to insert clean unused needle with clean properly prepared desired mixture of that deionized purified water and SWIMs favorite bread. You will feel the needle grab as it slides into SWIMs arm, the sl0ower SWIm inserts the less pain SWIM will feel. Once the tip breaks the wall of the vein SWIM will feel a the needle hesitate then kinda jab in, it's time ti hit the plungewr.

[Nahbus]

the few times SWIM injected heroin he noticed that he really didn't even need to pull the plunger back to see if he was in a vein, blood shot right into the chamber once he was in.
He has "junkie dream veins" and good blood flow, so maybe this doesn't apply to every swimmer?

[Nahbus]

SWIM has been trying this again, he actually had a teeny bit of dope last night and kept trying and trying, and eventually he actually had to squirt it in his nose as if he was just snorting it (yes, it's quite embarrassing, but it did work )
Anyway, he wasn't really pulling the plunger back because he remembered the one time he DID hit a vein, blood just registered right away without pulling back. Maybe he needs to pull back to see a register? Maybe the first time was a fluke.
Anyway, SWIM is getting more today and will try again tonight.
So I guess his question is on the necessity of pulling the plunger back, how often will blood just shoot into the needle by itself? His hands get so shaky and he gets pretty nervous. I guess this time he will get high first so he isn't so edgy

[Dionne]

My hamster also registered many times w/out pulling plunger at all.(well..at least a dozen)
Blood went in syringe on it's own.
My hamster later found that was cuz the gauge was very low,
which makes the hole in the needle bigger, and not too good to do
Hope this helps

[missparkles]

If the OP pulls back on the syringe ever so slightly as he inserts it into the skin, when he gets a vein blood will automatically be sucked into the barrel. He should feel some resistance as he gets to a vein, similar to the resistance when he first pushes it through the skin, if he does it slowly, as suggested, he will feel it.
Don't use the same site if swiy misses the first time, it could become infected and he doesn't wanna end up with an abscess.
Just be safe love.
Sparkles.

[Wehr]

Swim usually feels a pop that tells him he's in a vein then pulls back plunger and injects

[sweetstufflover]

It's a problem well known by all beginners. The reason you just get air is because you put the needle in too less. Go deeper. Even if a vein seems to be at the surface, there is some skin/flesh whatever that covers it.

Sorry for my bad English.

[Solinari]

Blood should not shoot in to the syringe on its own at all, in fact this is usually an indication that an artery has been hit. Pulling back the plunger is standard technique in determining whether or not the needle is in a vein and without it you are shooting blind. There shouldn't be enough pressure in a vein for blood to be forced in to the syringe, i suppose it's possible if a tourniquet is being used but in all the years my fiend has injected he has never seen blood appear in the syringe on its own, ever.

[dragonuser]

Originally Posted by pirate24

Any thoughts?

Take it as a sign and give up now, and run.. run for the hills!