is SWIM doing it wrong?

[MW]

Hello,

SWIM is playing around a bit with codeine and trying to achieve euphoria, swim is not a big drug user and hasn't touched anything for recreational purposes for the past 2 years.

Swim can no longer drink due to being on lithium, and swim cannot smoke weed anymore because it just doesn't agree with him.

Swim has a good experience with codeine 5 years ago, so swim figures might as well recreate the experience since he's been dry and hasn't had any "fun" in ages.

anyways...

swim's experience 5 years ago was a simple two T3s and he achieved mild euphoria, and warmth, and tranquility.

He repeated the same dosage recently and nothing really happened... after doing some research he found that the recreational dosage was between 60-400 mg, and around 250 seemed to be a magic number for getting euphoria without any side effects.

anyways, swim tried a few dosages and nothing really significant happened.

Swim tried 240mg extracted from tylenol #1s (so inherintely there is caffeine in the liquid)... the most swim experienced was a sense of tranquility, and improved mood, easier to laugh sorta thing. Tiny tiny bit of itchyness, not needing to scratch or anything but just touching the spot makes it subside -- swim compares it to when he first started doing cardio @ the gym his head would feel itchy.

anywas swim then tried 240mg again, extracted from t1s, but this time he took a couple tums, and a benadryl 25mg beforehand to see if it would make a difference. No difference really, swim is drinking the solution with pop, diet pop, or just flavour packets and water. Swim bought some grapefruit juice but then upon further inspection realized he wasted his money, so the container is still sitting un-opened in his fridge.

Swim is wondering if he has a natural tolerance to opiates, or if his dosage is just too low? (even though it seems high for a beginner).

Swim handles other drugs very well (from the past) ... swim used to be able to smoke copious amounts of marijuana, and can also drink like crazy, seems to have a natural tolerance for alcohol -- much more than your average person. (rough idea -- swim did centurion and went OVER the 100, made it to 130 but stopped because everyone else had passed out and there's no point of drinking alone, or another time 17 oz of hard liquor in an hour or so and not really "drunk" -- maybe a tiny bit more outgoing, but no one would be able to tell he was impaired at all)

not trying to be braggadocious about swim, just trying to paint a picture that could be a possible explanation why swim hasn't experienced any real euphoria yet.

anyways, back to codeine, swim doesn't really like the idea of increasing dosage so soon already! but swim really wants to experience the opiate euphoria and has been told that codeine is a good start

people have told swim that maybe he should try oxys or hydro but swim doesn't have access to these, t1s are pretty much the only thing he can get.

Swim is wondering if the lithium is interfereing with his ability to achieve the opiate euphoria? or if he just has a naturally high tolerance and needs to try a higher dosage.

Another wierd thing is that 5 years ago when swim took codeine he got constipated, this time around he is getting loose stool which is odd ... could be the caffeine though?

Anyways, swim enjoys the codeine even if there's no euphoria because it seems to improve his mood... lithium is designed to make you a zombie and keep your emotions flat, codeine gives a slight boost which he likes.

Obviously it is a poor decision for swim to use opiates to treat his mood disorder so he only wants to use it on occasion.... any insight on why he can't acheive euphoria yet would be appreciated.

SWIM also has a few test pills from his doctor as sleep aids -- seroquel and zopiclone.

seroquel knocks him out to the point that he can't even force himself to stay awake -- next day is hell though because he is drained.

zopiclone seemed "okay" but has the metal mouth effect which basically is disgusting and not really too tolerable.

sorry for the long post and random info,
ty for reading.

MW added 105 Minutes and 18 Seconds later...

added another 10 t1s (without extraction so it was 80cod/150 caffeine, 3250 apap) on top of the 240mg and all i got were itchys ... shrug, it's gotta be the lithium.

MW added 937 Minutes and 0 Seconds later...

^^^ SWIM's real name starts with "I" as referred to in the last submission hifty_eyes:

[UpAllNiteOCXTC]

Swims not really doin it wrong...when swim thinks of codeine she thinks of it as a cough aide with a MILD analgesic effect. Codeine is like propoxyphene/darvocet. Very weak. Even sometimes hardly noticeable.

Swim is glad swiy is conscious and aware of the acetaminophen ratio...destroying one's liver for a mild high is just unnecessary.

Swim can relate with swiy. She no longer has any effects from vicodin. Or percocet for that matter. Swim literally has to do an 80mg oxycontin (in portions, of course) to get the high she wants. Swim would say T3's are useless.

That question is difficult to answer because everyones chemical makeup differs, and one mans miracle drug is another mans nightmare. The mild euphoria swiy felt could have also had a placebo effect. Like swiy wanted to be high off it so bad, he started to beleive he was but really it just takes away head/body aches.

Swim is sorry swiy did not achieve what they were looking for.

UpAllNiteOCXTC added 2 Minutes and 57 Seconds later...

yes...the codeine and any added recreational drugs may alter the drugs swiys physician prescribed him , therefore counteracting and swiy is not really getting any benefit since the drugs are offsetting each other..

2 years ago swim had to stop smoking weed for her antidepressants to work. But they didnt work, and now shes on no meds, smokin weed, and chilin.

[MW]

SWIM loved weed so much and found that weed combined with 5-HTP made for such an enjoyable high and it offset a lot of the "negatives" of weed. But in recently years when SWIM smokes even a small amount he feels a bit anxious and it's not relaxing like it used to be. Swim likes opiates for the fact that they are so relaxing and chill but the risk of dependency is a deterrent to make it any real recreational past time

Swim misses weed and how he used to enjoy it so much, swim learned a lot from weed and the overall aspects of his life were definitely improved when he had frequent use.

Oh well, that phase of SWIM's life is over. Can't drink, can't smoke weed -- there's very little fun to be had (recreationally) drug wise for SWIM.

I guess swim will have to settle for opiates on an infrequent usage but it's better than nothing... Swim can probably get some xanax (danger!) but oxy and hydro (which he'd ideally want) are next to impossible for him to find at the moment

MW added 8 Minutes and 7 Seconds later...

EDIT:

Swim just wanted to mention that he dosed and watched the movie "Ray" last night and that was very enjoyable

Swim also picked up some diet tonic water with quinine in it and found boxes of grape diet kool aid on sale.

Swim read somewhere that some people have the effect of not feeling anything significant the first 2-3 times (sorta like the weed thing for some people) so he is going to try once more tonight with the quinine as a propagator.

[UpAllNiteOCXTC]

does swiy take 5-htp before after or during a smoke sesh? swim is intrigued and wants to try it tonight,.

[MW]

SWIM would also like to mention that there was some definite effects taking place that were not placebo (he thinks) because when he listened to music he noticed his sense of tempo and rhythm had changed. The tempo was too fast for many songs and SWIM found himself wanting to listen to slow tempo music.

MW added 2 Minutes and 8 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by UpAllNiteOCXTC

does swiy take 5-htp before after or during a smoke sesh? swim is intrigued and wants to try it tonight,.

30 minutes before -- it makes the high more like a sativa high (heady)

and negates any "medicated" feeling the next day --

SWIM found it to be a very refreshing and good mood high.

cause 5-htp becomes serotonin, and weed, well you already know what weed does =)


this was SWIM's experience and he saw that many people on the net had the same experience -- your mileage may vary.

[OhCasey]

Codiene has recreational value to almost everyone whos not opiate tolerant. Its not really compareable to darvocet, iso.

[JJx23]

Well, Darvocet is a stronger drug than Codiene, and Vicodin and Percocet are a lot stronger than Codiene, you just have built up a tolerance to the Codiene, and you would feel effects of something stronger, IE. Vicodin (would be your best bet), Percocet might be a bit too strong for you.

Hope this helps.

[UpAllNiteOCXTC]

darvocet certainly is, but if only there were a way to extract the 660mg of acetaminophen contained in each propoxyphene pill. Swiy would need to take several of these pills, and while doing that risks death from Tylenol overdose.

[JJx23]

Well if you are looking to abuse the drug, well then that is SWIM's fault. I mean, don't abuse a drug that doesn't really give the desired effects of say a stronger drug such as Hydrocodone or Oxycodone. Codiene is mostly used as a cough suppressant anyway. When I had a bad URI, I was given Hycodan, and that was pretty potent stuff.

Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by UpAllNiteOCXTC

darvocet certainly is, but if only there were a way to extract the 660mg of acetaminophen contained in each propoxyphene pill. Swiy would need to take several of these pills, and while doing that risks death from Tylenol overdose.

[OhCasey]

Originally Posted by JJx23

Well if you are looking to abuse the drug, well then that is SWIM's fault. I mean, don't abuse a drug that doesn't really give the desired effects of say a stronger drug such as Hydrocodone or Oxycodone. Codiene is mostly used as a cough suppressant anyway. When I had a bad URI, I was given Hycodan, and that was pretty potent stuff.

Hope this helps.

Hycodan's active component is hydrocodone. As far as darvocet being stronger then Codeine i aint buying it. 200mg of Codeine is equal to 300-400 mgs of propoxyphene. Codeines a schedule 3 propoxyphene is schedule 4, though it isnt necessarily a measure of strenghth.