Drug info - Piracetam - Questions and Answers

[Bajeda]

My Panda noticed the stimulating effects most when he first started using it, particularly when he wasn't taking it every day. Afterwards he noticed less change after initially taking his morning dose each time, but his tolerance to certain drugs was down on the whole and after he stopped his regimen he noticed differences, especially in regards to how sharp his mind would be working in the morning and his ability to concentrate on some tasks.

Overall he thinks it is much better to take it regularly, but it would be possible to use piracetam occasionally. Antiracetam and oxiracetam seem promising for more occasional use, but my Panda doesn't know enough about these substances yet to be able to compare them to Piracetam.


Speaking of those two, could anyone here make a decently comprehensive comparison of piracetam and its sister nootropics, having tried more than one?

[snapper]

In SWIM's experience, oxiracetam is a stronger version of piracetam. For SWIM it has similar effects at a lighter dose, but is way more expensive. Aniracetam is inconsistent for SWIM and has a fogging effect if the dose it too high. SWIM likes to use smaller doses of either (moreso the latter) on top of piracetam for extra effect. SWIM has not spent money on any others since piracetam cannot be improved upon much due to cheap cost and effectiveness. It also has a great safety track record.

[Bajeda]

My panda would most likely be looking for something to occasionally stack with piracetam. He was leaning towards antiracetam but isn't sure how they would combine.

[snapper]

SWIM would go with aniracetam. Start at about 200mg (SWIM would stack this with 1600-2400 mg piracetam, and the usual centrophenoxine, choline, lcarnitine, tyrosine, sublutiamine, hydergine and caffeine. Sometimes also bacopa, celastrus, rhodiola, ginseng and multivits). Too much aniracetam sucks, so bump up the dose slowly. SWIM was considering adding this one back into SWIM's regimen. SWIM finds the above combo to work really well even long term with no breaks, btw.

[Fantasian]

While piracetam enhances psychadelics can someoen give a value of about how much. SWIF is planning on doing some strong tryptamines ( of the DMT variety) how much should to dose of tryptamine be lowered roughly. If peeps dont know, SWIF will do a couple of trials.

Also does piracetam just enhance the entire experience or certain parts of it? SWIF is interested on whether piraceatam will direct the experience in one way too much?

[hh339]

Would it be safe to mix piracetam with bupropion?

[Paracelsus]

Bupropion is notorious for seizures. I recently noticed a package warning that piracetam, being a psychostimulant, may also lower the seizure threshold. That means one probably shouldn't combine recreational doses of bupropion with heroic doses of piracetam (some have described taking 20+ grams).
Piracetam could also potentiate bupropion, having gained a reputation as a quasi-universal potentiator.

[hh339]

I didn't mean recreational doses, but it sounds like I shouldn't mix the two anyway. Thanks.

[angryteabag]

my friend just wants to study really well and memorize everything he needs for the coming tests.

ive read about piracetam and have been scared off by the side effects on some website (dont have the link but it said stuff like hallucination, anxiety etc)

How bad are the side effects and does Piracetam actually help that much, any noticeable social or intellectual changes??

what about Alpha-GPC, i havent read much about it but is it any good? what does it actually do.

Thanx guys

[natevines]

SWIM's regimen consists of 6 800 MG pills throughout the day (4800 mgs) spaced over three doses.
Is that unnecessary? Should SWIM be taking more like 3600 or so?

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by natevines

SWIM's regimen consists of 6 800 MG pills throughout the day (4800 mgs) spaced over three doses.
Is that unnecessary? Should SWIM be taking more like 3600 or so?

You don't need that high of a dose, and a lower dose may very well be more effective than what swiy is currently taking. Check the piracetam pdfs in the archive and the related posts in the Nootropics forum. While an "attack" dose may or may not be more effective initially, lower doses seem to be more efficacious in the long run.

[Lethargy]

SWIM has a few things to add:

He recently began using Piracetam, only 1g a day in the morning. It gave him terrible headaches about every 4 hours even when taking lecithin and eating plenty (4 or more) of eggs for choline. He quit after less than 5 days. He felt primary effects most strongly within 1 to 2 hours but would have a pronounced mental clarity for upwards of 4-8 hours after ingestion. Oddly each subsequent day the clarity lessened, he thinks his brain resisted the piracetam effects.

During this time however he smoked a small amount of DMT to see if any changes occurred and he reported that the experience intensified significantly while under the influence of piracetam. Much crisper, cleaner visuals at a very low dose. He has considered "pre-loading" with 500mg to 1g of piracetam prior to using DMT to test this again but due to the headaches he feels he will likely never again use piracetam.

[Euphoric]

Lethargy, perhaps SWIY is very sensitive to piracetam. Has SWIY tried doses of 250mg or less to see if there are any desirable effects, without the undesirable?

[0utrider]

just wanted to add something real quick: SWIM read about the interesting theory, that if piracetam and derivates are given to mothers while pregnant, the kid is likely to have a (significantly) higher IQ. anybody knows anything about this?!

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by outriderx

just wanted to add something real quick: SWIM read about the interesting theory, that if piracetam and derivates are given to mothers while pregnant, the kid is likely to have a (significantly) higher IQ. anybody knows anything about this?!

From What i understand while we dont know totally how piracetam works it's believed that it's to do with more blood to the brain and therefore more oxygen. In this case it would depend on whether more blood would goto the babies brain and if so would this in turn cause a higher IQ. It's quite a complex question, but in my eyes i wouldnt be messing around even with nootropics while pregnant, is it really worth the risk that something like that could affect the baby in a negative way thereof. Of course ive no idea of the conciquences good or bad, just speculation.

[77pump]

Hmmm, swim has recently been taking oxiracetam (800mg X2 daily) and really felt nothing other than anger and anxiety. Same with phenylpiracetam. Extreme anxiety (social in particular) and resentment stirring. Of course, swim ussualy jumps the gun on most things, so swim is considering purchasing some plain-ole piracetam, in the hope that it will provide cognitive enhancement (memory and better attention span, as swim is Add-ed to the max and expieriences nothing from Rx amphetamines other than extreme anger and anxiety, but then again, swim is one twisted mofo )

Swim plans on reading up on piracetam, especially re stacking.
Swim has a bit of extra ciz-ash this month, so swim will give it a go, though swim has thus far spent the GDP of botswana trying out noo-tropics without much success....

[manson88]

Swim has been very interested in piracetam lately and has a few unanswered questions he would to put forward before he starts taking them.

1) Swim saw some people mention that piracetam can alter psychedelic experiences. Does this apply to all people who take piracetam regularly or is it only when one takes piracetam shortly before dropping acid? If swim incorporates piracetam into his diet and say, takes a dose in the morning and wants to drop acid at night, would the experience be more intense simply because he takes piracetam regularly or does he have to have taken a dose shortly before lucy arrives?

2)Same question but replace lady lucy with alcohol


Swim apologizes if this has been asked before but he hasnt yet found the exact answers to his questions.

[Euphoric]

Re: above post

1) From what SWIM has read, piracetam is most effective as a potentiator when taken regularly.

2) Same answer as 1.

Though allow more experienced piracetam users to give a better answer.

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Sound advice,

[Fantasian]

As EUphoric said, even taking in a one off dose will be effective in potentiating the effects but taken as a regular supplement for a month or more seems to have a much greater effect. Be careful when using piracetam with psychadelics as for SWIF it makes the experience much more aggressive and pushy and less natural. SWIF had a bad experience with DMT and piracetam, not to say it's all bad but there is definately a speedy aggressive quality to it, even when taken with a variety of substances like MDMA, DMT, Shrooms, LSD and cannabis.

[0utrider]

woah that sounds great. swim will have to have a look into that as soon as universtity starts

[MountainDeW]

SWIM tried Piracetam and agrees with most of the effect listed above by everyone here. These include, better memory, increased creativity and recovery of drug induced brain deficits. SWIM read about the need to take a choline supplement and chose Lecithin as a source. Now up until this point SWIM was satisfied with Piracetam, but as soon as choline was added to the mix there were unpleasant side effects. The main detrimental effect was EXTREME dry eyes. SWIM also has this problem when supplementing with DMAE. I read that DMAE replaces choline in the brain when taken as a supplement. Has anyone else had a similar experience and if so why does this happen? SWIM hopes hes not the only one

[0utrider]

SWIM would like to know which choline source is the best

and also which racetam is the best / least side effects (like described above some notice anxiety with pira, not with anira)

[0utrider]

sry that i opened up another thread but would be nice if SWIY could take a look at this aniracetam dosage & questions

[0utrider]

Aniracetam is much more suitable for daily use as a study-aid without a high side-effect profile.

thanks for your great post!

that is what SWIM is looking for! what dosage for that subtile/everyday usage would SWIY recommend? it still increases "clear mindedness" in a subtile but definite way, right? that's what swim would be looking for, and just if needed a higher dosage / piracetam added (or so), he will have to experiment with that, but needs to know what baseline is necessary for aniracetam (he is neither a hardhead nor sensitive towards substances in general) to work properly


btw as for ACh he prefers prolly either lecithine, choline or the above mentioned alpha-thingy substance, even though the former seems quite expensive. he doesnt really like what he hears about dmae ..

[Shampoo]

Originally Posted by outriderx

what dosage for that subtile/everyday usage would SWIY recommend?

Swim takes 625-650mg twice per day, once in the morning, and again after lunch. He started higher and moved his dosage down after a few weeks of use.

Adding Piracetam will definitely magnify the overall cognitive effects of aniracetam, but has a shorter half life, so dosing will take a while to figure out and will increase the stimulant properties of -racetam analogues. It really takes some practice.

btw as for ACh he prefers prolly either lecithine, choline or the above mentioned alpha-thingy substance, even though the former seems quite expensive

lecithin and direct choline have very low bioavailability and require much higher dosages (3000+mg per day for heavy nootropic use). Some people find them acceptable, but once swim tried Alpha-GPC, he never looked back. He agrees, btw, that swiy should stay away from dmae.