Peganum Harmala Question?

[DarEsBalat]

Hello everyone,


I read lots of articles and forum entries abour peganum harmala. Yesterday night, i prepeared a brew. First i grinded the seeds. Then I place one teaspoonfull grounded PH in to a stainless steel saucepan. I added half of a lemon's juice. and a glass of water. It boiled for 45 minutes. I filtered the liquid and make a second extraction with the same material. First liquid has got a yellow color. The second one was a little bit darker. i mixed the liquids. And i added a little water into brew. Finally i have got 500 ml. brew. I drunk it slowly in 45 minutes with an empty stomach.


Here are the results: I felt a little bit drunk like alcohol trip. Then I felt sleepy. Then I slept all the night.


Question : This brew did not effect. I think i made a mistake but i couldnt find it? Any suggestion about it will be helpfull forme. Maybe the dosage was not enough.


Thanx

[sunyata]

Peganum Harmala is supposed to be psychedelic from 5g and up, but it has a heavy bodyload. It also has some sedative properties. One of my friends did 5g once, but he was hung-over and the seeds just tripled his hang-over, he got no psychedelic effects.


From TIHKAL:


(with 2 g Peganum harmala seeds, ground, in capsules) "No effects."


(with 5 g Peganum harmala seeds, ground, in capsules) "At about 1:45 tinnitus was obvious. At 2:00 precise movements were problematical and nystagmus was noticeable. Mild nausea and diarrhea, but no vomiting. I was sensitive to light and sound, and retired to a dark room. Hallucinations were intense, but only with the eyes closed. They consisted, initially, of a wide variety of geometrical patterns in dark colors, getting more intense as time went on. They disappeared when the eyes were opened. Although the loose bowels and nausea were pretty constant through the first part of the trip, I was not afraid. It was as if the "fear circuits" in the brain had been turned off. The geometric shapes evolved into more concrete images, peoples faces, movies of all sorts playing at high speed, and animal presences such as snakes. It was like vivid and intense dreaming except that I remembered most of it afterwards. In another hour things became manageable and I could go out in public. My sex drive was pleasantly enhanced, and I slept very well."


(with 7 g Peganum harmala seeds, ground, in capsules) "Very sick for 24 hours."


(with 20 g Peganum harmala seeds, as extract) "The is equivalent, probably, to a gram or so of the harmala alkaloids. This was ground up material extracted with hot dilute lemon juice. Within a half hour, I found myself both trippy and sleepy. Then I became quite disorientated, nauseous, and with an accelerated heart beat. I had the strong sensation of moving backwards, drifting, with faint visuals under my eyelids. Restraining the vomiting urge was an ongoing problem. I could have gone out of body quite easily, except that I was completely anchored by the nausea. After about three hours, I knew that it had peaked, and I went to sleep and experienced intense and strange dreams. The entire experience was a conflict between tripping and being sick. I want to explore this more."


(with 28 g Peganum harmala seeds, as extract) "I sat up late one night drinking gulp after gulp of tea from about an oz. of seeds, periodically adding more water and simmering. This process took several hours, and though I had read up on harmaline, I didn't know quite what to expect. Suddenly it hit me like a wall. It was starting to get light outside and as I shifted my gaze, zebra-like stripes of light and dark spiraled off the perimeter of the window silhouettes. Every time I shifted my focus my visual field would shudder and swirl before settling down. This visual effect had a physicality unlike those any other entheogen I'd experienced. Rather than patterns revealing greater order in sensation, these were waves of chaos revealing no particular order and urging the mind to retreat from the disturbing realm of sensation. Accompanying this was a pronounced auditory buzz. Lying down and closing my eyes I left the physical symptoms behind and explored the vivid spontaneous imaginations evoked by this state. Unfortunately, it is getting light, which made it harder to shut out the distracting world of sensation. I resolved to conduct future sessions in the night-time (and always in a quiet undisturbed place).


"A second trial was made at the same level. This time it came on very fast. That tremendous buzz on the other side of which are the wondrous realms of the subconscious. The most memorable impressions from this trip were of weird animals. I imagined myself spinning on a merry-go-round of strange winged creatures. I started to feel very sick and negotiated my way to the bathroom to face the inevitable -- voiding from both orifices simultaneously. It proved cathartic, and released me to experience the state more fully. I remember traveling to jungle-like places, full of imagery of vines, fountains, and animals. Minutes seemed like hours as I roamed in these spaces. Though the sensory effects were very disturbing when I got up, given high dose level, I could easily ignore my body when laying down and traveling in my mind."

[DarEsBalat]

Thank you Sunyata!


I will go on my experiments. ). I saw that article before but It seems a little risky for me. Every body says "3 gr isenough for a trip" but do they mean "the extract from 3 gr of grounded seed" or "3 gr extract" I do not know exactly. But I realized that I must take 7 gr of grounded PH. Extract it, and drink it. I think it will work.

[sunyata]

It'll probably work, just remember to keep the diet prescribed for MAOi's.

Good luck

[sands of time]

Mainly they are used to potentiate other substances like magic mushrooms or used in ayhusca

[William_Again]

I have read that on its own it can be more visually intense than LSD...I have no clue if this is true but I wonder.

[heraclitus]

Hi everyone! This is my first post here.


On the subject of peganum harmala.. many people on the 'net (mostly people who are in to b. caapi) are very against use of the seeds, claimingthey areactually toxic. I don't know if that's true, but if you wanted to be really safe extracting the alkaloids from syrian rue is very easy. The method is on erowid, and it really only involves vinegar, salt and water.


An extract also may not taste as horrible as syrian rue tea reportedly does!

[William_Again]

anyone had experience with just syrian rue, not mixed anything else? If you have, please post it here.

[Hyperreal]

Most people report pretty mild sedative effects. Haven't tried the stuff myself.


They told me, Heraclitus, they told me you were dead... Welcome to the board and thanks for the tip, I'll try that some time.

[DarEsBalat]

Hello there


I will write about my second trial. Yesterday night I prepeared PH tea. I prepeared it with lemon juice method and the dosage was two tea spoons of grounded PH seeds. This time I saw some visual effects. I felt like a bit LSD trip but not actually. I felt that my eyes moves rapidly under my eyelids. I saw some faces who theywere talking to me. I cannot remember what they told . it took about 45 minutes and i fallen down a very big a delicious sleep.


My trials will proceed. See you soon

[DarEsBalat]

Third Trial:


I prepeared 7 teaspoons of PH. But it was the same with the second trial. Nothing more.