Opinions - best Research Chemical for a light and controlable trip?

[ihavequestions]

SWIMs freind is interested in getting into the world of psychedelics. he is already sensitive to marijuana so he is guessing that he will probably be sensitive to psychedelic drugs right?

he thought RC's would probably be the best way to go considering they can be measured better and some arent as intense os some of the other psychedlics

he wants to start out alow with a light dose. but he wants an RC that is controllable and not too intense. basicaly jsut a good "introduction" to the psychedelic world.

he was thinking so far maybe a light dose of 2c-b.

[grandbaby]

Someone I know who had been frightened by a strong LSD experience some years ago found 8-10mgs 2C-I a nice reintroduction to psychedelics.

[rxbandit]

2c-b is an excellent choice if one is looking for a controllable docile, yet enjoyable trip. Swirx's recommendations to all psychedelic newbs if they can come upon it.

[Panthers007]

10mg of 2-CB-Fly* is very gentle on the psyche - with as much range as one wishes. The person is in control of the intensity more than with most other molecules. Problem is - where does one get their paws on this exotic? Alas....


* Not to be confused with a "Dragonfly."

[Samadhi]

Swim has introduced all his non-psychedelic using pet cats to 2c-i at doses of 10-15mg and all of them loved it and wished to explore further. swim has also tried using low doses of 4-ho-DiPT and found that his cats also enjoyed it.

[moda00]

Swim's first experience with a psychedelic research chemical was with 2c-b, and she would definitely recommend it to anyone for a first experience.

While swim tried other psychedelics, mostly plant-based tryptamines like psilocybin mushrooms and LSD, as well as atypical psychedelics like salvia divinorum, prior to her 2c-b experience, she thinks that for someone without any psychedelic experience at all 2c-b is an excellent first choice!

Benefits include very little if any body load- most people seem to experience little or no nausea or other uncomfortable body sensations- and a definite and unique trip without the "head fuck" or confusion that can accompany some psychedelics. One can still think relatively coherently and move about comfortably, but it has a very unique energy, great visual aspects, and an underlying sense of connectivity and contentment. Definitely a promising psychedelic.

Of course, one thing to remember is that it needs to be dosed correctly, so it is advised to invest in a milligram resolution scale- strain gauge scales of this type can be obtained relatively cheaply, plan to spend about 200-300 USD (some can be had cheaper, but swim doesn't recommend as she has heard feedback that some of these scales have problems with accuracy and/or with smaller amounts- ie. under 20-30 mg, and accuracy to the milligram is definitely important in such a scale). Another option, if one knows and trusts someone who can dose this compound accurately, is to do it that way, but many RCs are unique in that the dosage range and dose-response curve can vary quite a bit (the latter not as much with 2c-b, but definitely still enough so that reasonably accurate dosing is necessary).

Also, the nice thing about RCs is that the chemical structure and the many experience reports and publications like PIHKAL/TIHKAL allow one to compare chems and their effects- so for example, if one enjoys the 2c-b experience, they could consider other 2c-x's, mescaline, and/or MDMA for subsequent bioassay and comparison, as these all share certain similarities in their characteristics and/or chemical structure.

Good luck, be safe, and enjoy!!~

[ihavequestions]

2c-b sounds like it would be the best. but what about methylone? seems like that COULD be a good candidate. just something that isnt too much of a "mind fuck". and 2c-b sounds ike the best so far.

[Expat98]

Another one that is nice and gentle (at least at "normal" doses) is 2C-C. Some people like this one and some don't. SWIM tells me he really likes it.

Looks like the OP is in the U.S. 2C-C has the benefit of not being explicitly illegal in the U.S., unlike 2C-B.

[bman1]

swib would agree with the above statement of 2c-c. It is very mild to most and not as speedy or strong on halucinations as other 2c-xs. It also is shorter lasting so if one does not like it there is less time to wait out. But read nanobrains report. To some as any chemical it can be strong

[Expat98]

Originally Posted by bman1

But read nanobrains report. To some as any chemical it can be strong

Yeah, I remember Nanobrain's 2C-C report, heh heh. I don't think he would agree with my statement of it being "nice and gentle", but that is SWIM's opinion and also seems to be the opinion of most other people who've tried it (although some seem to find it boring).

[Samadhi]

2c-c is an... alright (thats giving it lee-way) chemical overall. Swim would not recommend it for a light and controllable night seeing as it made many of swims pet cats feeling very bored and disappointed in the pallid nature of the chemical.

light, yes, almost too much so.

controllable... more like plain as a log boring.

this one rots in the freezer and is not likely to be brought out again.

Like swim said before (adding 2c-b, never thought of it due to its illegality) low dose 2c-b, 2c-i are the way to go on the subject of light and controllable.

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Originally Posted by ihavequestions

he wants to start out alow with a light dose. but he wants an RC that is controllable and not too intense. basicaly jsut a good "introduction" to the psychedelic world.

On another note, Research chemicals are not to be taken lightly and are much more than just an "introduction" to more known psychedelics such as LSD, psilocin or mescaline. In some of swims trials with these chemicals they have surpassed many well known (and illegal) psychedelic drugs.

Granted research chemicals are for the most part very controlled (unless you're one of them dupes who's too stupid to get his mits on a scale) they are still not safe territory as to test your foot in the water, because swim has found that you may just be jumping all the way in on very low dose experiences.

Be very careful with these substances ihavequestions and please head the advice of doing very low doses and working your way up.

[moda00]

On another note, Research chemicals are not to be taken lightly and are much more than just an "introduction" to more known psychedelics such as LSD, psilocin or mescaline. In some of swims trials with these chemicals they have surpassed many well known (and illegal) psychedelic drugs.

Granted research chemicals are for the most part very controlled (unless you're one of them dupes who's too stupid to get his mits on a scale) they are still not safe territory as to test your foot in the water, because swim has found that you may just be jumping all the way in on very low dose experiences.

Be very careful with these substances ihavequestions and please head the advice of doing very low doses and working your way up.

This is a good point!^^

Psychedelics in general are pretty intense Always best to start low and do one's research. That said, swim would always recommend a moderate duration psychedelic for a first experience- imo, too short of a duration, such as smoked DMT or salvia, is too confusing for a first time user, and long durations can become overwhelming as well for someone who doesn't know what to expect. I think a 4-8 hour duration is ideal. Also, dose is really important- as long as someone starts low and works their way up to higher doses as desired, they will likely have an enjoyable journey. But once factors like substance, dose, duration, and availability are considered, one has to be ready to go into the experience and prepare to experience something completely unique and difficult to put into words- so many speak of their first psychedelic experience as a turning point, and there is a reason for that! But in general this is represented as a positive thing!

In general swim is likely recommend low dose psilocybin, mdma, or 2c-b for a first timer. 2c-b seems ideal in this case. Overall had a very positive energy to swim and many others it seems, and a reasonable representation of the psychedelic experience.

But certainly as pointed out psychedelic experiences are not to be ranked or considered "stepping stones" to other substances.. they are all unique, powerful, and for the most part extremely worthwhile. So my advice would be this- I understand what OP means by controllable, and think that both the substance (2c-b) and the dose (dosed lightly) will help with having an ideal first time session.

Know that one of the more difficult aspects for many people is relinquishing control to the unknown- in life, and in the psychedelic experience. You have to go into it and take what it has to give, not fight it. But I think 2c-b is both a good first time material, and also an amazing material for experienced psychonauts. Specifically for a first time user it offers little to no physical side effects/"body load" (which swim found confusing and almost unbearable during her first psychedelic experience with psilocybin mushies) and an underlying positive vibe of sorts (in one's own experience). This positivity helps one to go with the flow and get the most out of, to accept what it has to offer, although it is also important to have this positivity and this acceptance within oneself as well, as it is important for psychonauts to accept experiences that are confusing and perhaps even seemingly negative, and work them through. I mean, basically there are people who never try psychedelics, people who try them and know it isn't for them, and those who pursue the path beyond those initial experiences. I think it is an experience worth having, whether or not one goes on to experiment with other psychedelics, just for the sake of experiencing it (although I predict someone will want to explore further ) I also understand wanting to pick that ideal substance for the first time- now just remember, if you think swiy has found that ideal substance, one must now make sure one is in a good space, mentally and physically, thus preparing for an ideal "set and setting" in which this beautiful substance can teach swiy. Enjoy!

[raven3davis]

Originally Posted by ihavequestions

SWIMs freind is interested in getting into the world of psychedelics. he is already sensitive to marijuana so he is guessing that he will probably be sensitive to psychedelic drugs right?

he thought RC's would probably be the best way to go considering they can be measured better and some arent as intense os some of the other psychedlics

he wants to start out alow with a light dose. but he wants an RC that is controllable and not too intense. basicaly jsut a good "introduction" to the psychedelic world.

he was thinking so far maybe a light dose of 2c-b.

Looks like you answered this one for yourself. 2c-b for the win. Can be very gentle and there isn't a drastic dose response curve. With a decent scale it isn''t too hard to measure out an accurate dose. Dilute down 100mg in liquid to be super accurate.

The sky is the limit. There are plenty of chemicals SWIyou could take and have a great time, and light trip. All depends on the dose. 2c-b is a good starting point though maybe around 18mg?

stay safe

[Durd1e]

SWIM has aalways found that 2cb had a ridiculous body load far outweighing the psychedelic effects...

On the other hand swim has always found 5meo mipt to be light and controllable and even an excellent social enhancer at around 6mg.

[trptamene]

Originally Posted by Durd1e

SWIM has aalways found that 2cb had a ridiculous body load far outweighing the psychedelic effects...

On the other hand swim has always found 5meo mipt to be light and controllable and even an excellent social enhancer at around 6mg.

That is certainly not the norms. Swiy have any trip reports written on these drugs?

[Durd1e]

Unfortunately, no...don't think it will be happening either as swim had his 2c* experiences before I joined this forum. Planning a moxy report though.

What swim does remember from a 2ce trip is that doseage was 20mg, psychedelic effects were fairly minimal in the visual department but it was definitely mind altering and swim had to work quite hard to remain comfortable and happy.

Whereas moxy was always easy and swim would definitely reccomend it.

[trptamene]

what was the dosage(s) of the 2cb trip(s) giving uncomfortable body load?

a 6mg moxy dose giving the effects you describe is not uncommon.

[Durd1e]

I do not remember exactly but I think the dosage swim used was in the region of 25mg.

The 6mg moxy trip was purely an extremely light 'social' buzz for swim, the psychedelic trips were all in the region of 10mg.

[bhmoab1]

for tryptamines 4-ho-dipt is pretty mellow and controllable. It also has a decent amount of leeway for doses. swim wont give a dosage to start with though. You can do that on your own. everyone is different.

4-ho-dipt might be elusive though. if you wanna try phens than 2c-i or 2c-b and maybe 2c-d are good choices.

[Troa]

i dunno, swims tried quite a few different research chemicals and he has to say that 5meo-mipt would have to be the mildest. 2c-i and 2c-b still have a bit of a lengthy high which can scare people not used to psychedelics. the 5meo-mipt gives a nice body high with minimal visuals and not even the slightest comedown. He says he would recommend it to any first time user.

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Succint and well put

[bhmoab1]

^what dose did you try 5-meo-mipt at?

at 10mg and higher especially 12 and higher it can be a full on trip and can be very confusing and uncontrollable. It is mild in the lower doses though.

[Troa]

well swims tried it at many different doses but enjoys it so much because of the lack of brain scramble. he can take it and go to work, or do anything he would normally do an a regular basis. he has a vial of liquid dosed at about 3mg a drop and hes taken anywhere from 1-10 drops, slight visuals at higher doses but nothing too intense. as i said though, the biggest perk of M&M as we call it, is the lack of mind-fuck so common with most other psychedelics.

[bhmoab1]

^That is suprising to swim. When he took 13mg it was one of the worst mind fucks he has had. Nothing real enjoyable just lots of confusion.

8mg is mild and works well with low doses of other tryps or phens.

swim doesnt think it is the norm to have no mind fuck from high doses as it becomes a full on trip pretty quickly.

some pretty wierd audio hallucinations were had at 13mgs for swim

[halftone]

a low dose of 4-aco-dmt would be great. swim has tried both 2c-b and 4-aco and says both would work equally well. swim even has had moments on 4-aco that reminded him of low doses of 2c-b. methylone would be another option.

[bhmoab1]

^methylone is a fine suggestion as an intro to rc's but swim would not consider it to be a "trip".

4-aco-dmt is a great chemical and is mellow up to around 18mg or maybe a little less. start to go above that and you may find it not so controllable