Ecstast-related freak-out and hallucinations.

[Songs4Jane]

To begin with, I was unable to find a previously made topic that applies to this, much apologies if I somehow managed to miss it.

This past weekend, swim went out for a night of e and clubbing with 4 friends. They each bought 4 tabs from a friend. They each took their first tab around 11:30, got to the club (a familiar environment, they'd been there in the same state several times before) and began the evening. One of the girls with swim had started coming up when she began freaking out. Like panicking and insisting on going home (she had only taken one tab). One of the other girls (R) tried to calm her down in the bathroom (swim wasn't aware this was going on until after the fact) but it didn't work and she ended up getting a drive home before 1am.

The night continued, swim continued taking half tabs as normal to keep up the high (which was, swim admits, strong... but certainly nothing uncomfortable or out of control). The atmosphere in the club was nice... there was an excellent DJ and great vibes all around. Then, the girl (R) who had tried to calm down girl #1 started freaking out (I believe she had taken 3 at this point). Swim took R to the bathroom, locked them both in a stall and just talked to her as she panicked and puked. R was very flushed and seemed to not understand what was going on. Swim gave her some water (not too much) and then took her to a calmer spot in the club where she just talked to her as she continued to panic and even puke a couple more times. R was also grinding her teeth WAY more than normal. After about half an hour, swim was able to get R to a place where, while she was unable to dance (too much stimuli) she was in a very emotionally open and content mental place. She and swim just sat and talked for several hours about everything until she was finally able to dance again (probably around 5am).

They then danced until the club closed at 6 and then began walking home (the other two went their separate ways... they were both boys and they were fine throughout the night). Swim wanted to get a ride home, but R insisted on walking, saying that she'd be sick if they had to get in a car. So they began the walk (it's about 20 minutes) and along the way home, it seemed that R was having very vivid hallucinations. She talked about seeing people and things that were not really there.

Both R and the girl who went home super early were OK in the end. Swim did not have any negatives with her roll whatsoever. So, my question is, would swim be wise to advise these girls not to do e any more? Also, swim has a few leftover pills from the night... would she be wise not to touch them? Also, both these girls have been a little bit... shall we say "strange" on e before in situations when swim was not... nothing major, but on the come-up, they'd get uncomfortable, not like to be touched and not want to talk. Any/ all insight on this situation would be much appreciated.

[chinpokomaster]

SWIM's noticed this in some past compatriots and was always the one that held shit together when people started talking to themselves

[Songs4Jane]

Originally Posted by chinpokomaster

SWIM's noticed this in some past compatriots and was always the one that held shit together when people started talking to themselves

Hahah... go team maintained-composure! As much as swim felt bad for her friends, she felt a little bit pleased (and in retrospect, smug) that she was so chill throughout it all.

[bman1]

does one know if the pills contain only mdma? probally not a good idea to tak the same pills that made them flip. if there are oinly mdma than might be a good idea to not take mdma again or atleast for some time if they have been taking it for some time good idea to find our what is in the pill though

[chinpokomaster]

SWIM's been fine on pills and molly that have made certain people feel quite trippy.

[Panthers007]

Even with pure MDMA, if one takes more than the suggested dosage one is inviting an anxiety attack. Even with proper dosage - such is possible. Anxiety attacks can be triggered by set & setting. Perhaps the club was too loud. Perhaps the problems the other person was having left an aftertaste in the mind. Could be any number of triggers.

The seeing/hearing that which is not there is indicative of taking too much of an M-class drug. It happens. A friend of Bongo took too much MDE(quite similar to MDMA) and reported all sort of 'little people' scampering about in the dark of night. Fortunately he was a hard-head and enjoyed their visit. If one takes even more, one can end up stuck in a time-loop where what already happened is about to happen just did happen is about to happen is....And that is a toxic reaction. Not something to aspire to.

[jux]

back in the day when the drifter and his friends used ex very heavily, they would get audio and visual hallucinations

he remembers one such night he saw what he thought was an old friend from high school....as he walked towards his friend, he realized he was actually walking towards a stop sign.....

another night, his noticed his wife grasping at the (empty) air in front of her...he asked her what she was trying to get, she replied "the ashtray that was floating here"

other times people would blurt out random phrases.....

luckily, noone ever got freaked out about this ...i suppose that since it always occured in a comfortable environment around freinds, people were able to just laugh it off.

ahhh....to be young and stupid (naive?) again....

[Bezzz]

SWIM has definitely hallucinated whilst on MDxx drugs, but has always kept it together.

SWIM tells me he has never behaved that strangely personally, but has witnessed a friend of his acting very strangely. She was sitting in his living room and was having a good time, she closed her eyes and then started to do stuff with her hands as if she was at work. When spoken to she would open her eyes as if she had just woken up in the morning, if people didn't keep talking to her she would slip back into this world of hers.. activities included:

powdering her nose (with no make up)
talking to people that weren't there
talking about people in the same room as if they weren't there
picking a cup of tea up and pouring it all over the floor purposefully
trying on different imaginary shoes

It was funny at first but then was a bit worrying as it went on. SWIM kept an eye on her though and she was ok in the end.

She doesn't touch ecstacy anymore after she went to a pub and had some then started doing all the above things in the pub in front of lots of people.

SWIM doesn't go there any more

[Chemically_Altered]

Originally Posted by Bezzz

SWIM has definitely hallucinated whilst on MDxx drugs, but has always kept it together.

SWIM tells me he has never behaved that strangely personally, but has witnessed a friend of his acting very strangely. She was sitting in his living room and was having a good time, she closed her eyes and then started to do stuff with her hands as if she was at work. When spoken to she would open her eyes as if she had just woken up in the morning, if people didn't keep talking to her she would slip back into this world of hers.. activities included:

powdering her nose (with no make up)
talking to people that weren't there
talking about people in the same room as if they weren't there
picking a cup of tea up and pouring it all over the floor purposefully
trying on different imaginary shoes

It was funny at first but then was a bit worrying as it went on. SWIM kept an eye on her though and she was ok in the end.

She doesn't touch ecstacy anymore after she went to a pub and had some then started doing all the above things in the pub in front of lots of people.

SWIM doesn't go there any more

That sounds exactly what one of SWIMs friends did, we were round someones house and he was sitting on a chair with his eyes closed, and was doing weird things like writing maths with his fingers, and having conversations with nothing, when we spoke to him he did the exact same thing looked as though he had just woken up then went back into his own little world again.

[ramjet]

My friend Gurn-Dog wonders if your friend simply ingested too much. Although she only took one pill, different people have different levels of tolerances and you don't know what or how much MDMA was contained in the pill.

He says your description is reminiscent of a time he took too much MDMA. He stupidly decided to eye-ball amounts into a bomb (bits of rizla paper) and swallowed them. He later worked out he probably swallowed somewhere in the region of 3/4 gram in 6 bombs over the course of about 5 hours. Had he been sober he would have never been so stupid, but his intoxicated state left turned him into an unthinking pleasure seeking machine with no sense whatsoever.

Initially he felt very euphoric, but later he began to sweat profusely, his heart was beating far too quickly, he felt too hot and very light headed, experienced severe "wonky eye" visual impairment, slight nausea, coughing fits, severe muscle cramp in the neck and arms, an irritating inability to urinate despite bladder discomfort and extreme anxiety. He believed he could actually feel lots of terrible things happening in his brain and felt a strange sensation of pressure from inside the front of his head. On a number of occasions he thought someone might have to call an ambulence, but he managed to keep it together.

He began to recover around 1 1/2 - 2 hours after the last dose, but still felt some of the adverse symtoms, especially the muscle cramp and no euphoria at all. During the course of the night he drank 2 bottles of cider and about 3 JD and cokes. Oddly, he managed to sleep OK.

That was the last time Gurner was ever so stupid. He is much more careful now; always beginning with half a pill that he knows friends have taken before with no adverse effects and waiting 2 hours before upping the dose and making sure to carefully weigh out any MDMA he buys into 100mg - 150mg doses.

[pinkandfluffy]

Trippy things can happen quite a way into the roll, in SWIMs experience. Swim has had far stronger hallucinations (Although sometimes in the dark the hallucinations can be strong and wierd as holy hell) but kind of lets himself enjoy it.

As for freaking out, who knows. Find out what she was actually feeling!

[Songs4Jane]

It's definitely believe that those pills had more MDMA than past ones, due to the intense emotional openness that swim experienced. It wasn't uncomfortable, but swim sat and discussed her deepest darkest secrets in a trusting and open manner than she never has before (sober or on drugs).

I remember reading elsewhere on this site about some genetic situation that 1 in 12 (I believe) have that makes them far more sensitive to MDMA... could that be related? Perhaps swims friends are just far more sensitive? They are also more... nervous about drugs than swim, which I suppose could have an effect. Perhaps when they feel slightly uncomfortable, it scares them which just ends up making them even more uncomfortable.

On a brighter note, it is nice for swim to know that she can deal with people who have taken funny turns while she, too is on drugs. Also, swim feels that the time may have come to invest in a drug testing kit.

[anony]

People panic and they begin to feel out of control, then because they feel embarassed about the situation, they try and confront it in their mind alone and the situation deteriorates and will more than likely be at home in the next hour.
The only thing swim in this situation can do is completely remove them from the club and people and talk. Just insist on talking about random shit (shouldn't be too hard), it may take a while but just take their mind off the situation. This should give them time to calm down and come down a little too.
hope this helps for future reference!