Opinions - Who hates alcoholics who criticize Coke user as below scum?

[ClearView]

This really makes SWIM's blood boil!!!!!!!!

Drinkers [but heavy drinkers especially] who are quick to criticize, condemn, even look down on coke users who just want to get high as much as alcholoics like to get drunk or at least feel good with a glass two. Are the two both not drugs?

Is SWIM the only person who thinks this is the worst of hypocracy?? Drinkers on our streets in Britain or anywhere else for that matter trashing traffic cones, smashing and defacing public places, pissing in the open street, fighting for no reason and just general idiotic drunken behaviour. But these same people will be to first to call one who uses coke dirty, scum etc etc.

SWIM takes coke (when he can get good stuff) but never trashes someone elses property like drunkerds or cause a fight for no reason or act like a fool who's had one too many bottles of Heineken!

This really annoys SWIM

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[Psych0naut]

SWIY is totally right, though it doesnt only apply to cocaine, but to all drugs. There are plenty of people who drink often, but take nothing else except for alcohol, and often cigarettes. Because they are both legal, they view them as superior, and themselves superior over users of illegal drugs. Fortunenately not all alcohol drinkers are like that, but because the majority of people only stick to the two legal drugs, there are many drinkers who do condemn users of other drugs, and view them as druggies. You won't find users of a certain illegal drug condemning users of another drug that quick, since they are more open minded regarding drugs anyway.

[Metalcore322]

That's basically what society is coming to - where you can have a drunk superior to someone who uses other drugs. It's funny how alcohol makes people fuckin' rediculous most of time but their still "superior" to someone who maybe smoked a little bud or did some blow, someone who won't start a fight for utterly stupid reasons, can still hold their own driving, ect. ect. The whole topic pisses Mr. Angry off too.

[chinpokomaster]

Drug hypocrisy exists on many levels. People that will drink but despise smokers. People that will smoke but not weed. People that will smoke weed but don't agree with "harder" drugs such as ecstasy and mushrooms. People that will take those but not touch coke. People that will snort coke but won't smoke crack and the people that will smoke crack but won't touch heroin.

SWIM has encountered hypocrisy on all these levels and more.

[cyndi]

Swim's husband points out his booze is legal, swim's stuff isn't. So it makes it better. Not in swim's opinion. A user is a user. Nobody is better than another user again swim's opinion.

[drab4]

Originally Posted by chinpokomaster

Drug hypocrisy exists on many levels. People that will drink but despise smokers. People that will smoke but not weed. People that will smoke weed but don't agree with "harder" drugs such as ecstasy and mushrooms. People that will take those but not touch coke. People that will snort coke but won't smoke crack and the people that will smoke crack but won't touch heroin.

SWIM has encountered hypocrisy on all these levels and more.

This post sums up Swim's feelings nicely

Swim also notices extreme hypocrisy when he hears illegal drug users make comments about people who drink alcohol

Unfortunately, this pointless hypocrisy works both ways and every way. It seems that some people feel the need to point out that their drug of choice is good and others are bad. A rather futile exercise all around really

Drug use is drug use, and in an ideal world people would just get on with their own things and keep the negativity to themselves. Of course, we do not live in an ideal world!

[gotabeer12]

Originally Posted by chinpokomaster

Drug hypocrisy exists on many levels. People that will drink but despise smokers. People that will smoke but not weed. People that will smoke weed but don't agree with "harder" drugs such as ecstasy and mushrooms. People that will take those but not touch coke. People that will snort coke but won't smoke crack and the people that will smoke crack but won't touch heroin.

SWIM has encountered hypocrisy on all these levels and more.

This doesn't make sense. Let's go through this list, shall we?
Foreword: SWIM smokes cigarettes, weed, drinks and does/has done almost every drug.

"People that will drink but despise smokers." - A lot of people don't like the smell of smoke and don't want to breathe second hand smoke. While I doubt the second hand smoke really does anything, when someone does something that directly effects another person it is reasonable to not like that. When someone drinks they are not getting drink all over other people, or the smell of drinks on other people. The drinker effects himself, unless his/her behavior starts effecting other people but that's not a fair comparison.

"People that will smoke but not weed." - While cigarettes are much worse for you physically, it's not really fair comparing one highly psychoactive substance(weed) and a very slightly psychoactive substance(cigarettes.) If you're going to make this comparison, than it would also be fair to make this similar comparison "people that eat McDonalds big macs everyday but won't smoke weed." That doesn't make sense, not a good comparison.

"People that will smoke weed but don't agree with "harder" drugs such as ecstasy and mushrooms" - So it's not reasonable to be safer? You think "harder" drugs aren't harder on the body and worse for your physical and mental health? SWIM thinks you know the answer to that but you are choosing to be ignorant. SWIM has seen people overuse ecstasy(eating tabs everyday for a couple months) and SWIM has seen people that have been permanently changed due to hallucinogens. SWIM doesn't see any real physical harm due to weed, so it is perfectly reasonable to smoke weed but don't do ecstasy or shrooms.

"People that will take those but not touch coke" - I've been to rehab. SWIM saw maybe one person that was there for ecstasy, and no one was there for hallucinogens. There were many cocaine addicts, and even more crack-cocaine addicts. Cocaine is highly addictive and people exhibit signs of "fiending" which doesn't manifest itself in too many other drugs.

"People that will snort coke but won't smoke crack and the people that will smoke crack but won't touch heroin." - Method of consumption highly alters a substances addictive qualities. Smoking cocaine causes people to "fiend", which I describe as barely controllable compulsion, more than snorting it. Heroin is a drug where physical dependence builds up. So while a crackhead can smoke crack a few days and put it down for a day or two, a heroin addict must have his fix everyday. But on the other hand crack-cocaine is much worse for your health than heroin. So that's probably your only good point.

Don't take this personally, but a lot of you guys are choosing to be ignorant to the fact that these drugs are actually not good for you. Maybe with the sole exception of marijuana.

[sknkv2]

The argument could be made that a person could be viewed as "superior" or "better" because they aren't breaking the law. That's about the only decent argument but optherwise you're right, they are no better. Just the laws are retarded.

[BlondieUK]

Just because it's legal.. so what?

Alcohol causes far more deaths and is just as addictive, both have the capacity to make you violent (although swim see's it far, far more in alcoholics)

[ihavequestions]

its pretty funny if you think about it. when around a drunk you can expect a stumbling, belligerent, incoherent, unproductive, jackass who are usualy dangerous to other people for the drun kdriving reason etc.

with a coke user you just have a guy whos ego is inflated and talks realy fast about things that dont realy matter.

both can be annoying. but drunks are definetly "below" the coke users in swims book

[Orchid_Suspiria]

It is indeed sickening.Oh how swim hates seeing these angry,bullying,drunk cocksuckers sitting high and mighty with their glasses of whiskey thinking they are somehow superior.

[Aar0n]

SWIM completely agrees! SWIM hears idiots who go out and drink a bottle of vodka and think that anyone who has a little bit of cocaine maybe every month or so is an "addict" or "scum" or "it's worse for their body".

Alcohol is far worse, and ruins far more lives than cocaine, SWIM's sure of that! The point is, cocaine doesn't make people turn into arressive, slurring dickheads.

[sknkv2]

Is anyone else seeing some major double standards here? "arressive, slurring dickheads. " Stop making alcohol out to be worse than it is, as these people need to stop making cocaine and other substances and their users out as worse than they are. Not every drinker is a raging idiot. Not every cocaine user is a drug addicted scum bag. You are chastising them for them looking down upon you for your drug of choice and then you do the same back to them. You are no better if you do this.

[Salvinorin A]

Originally Posted by insert_username_here

Is anyone else seeing some major double standards here? "arressive, slurring dickheads. " Stop making alcohol out to be worse than it is, as these people need to stop making cocaine and other substances and their users out as worse than they are. Not every drinker is a raging idiot. Not every cocaine user is a drug addicted scum bag. You are chastising them for them looking down upon you for your drug of choice and then you do the same back to them. You are no better if you do this.

Glad someone had the courage to say it......this is absolutely right. Drug abuse in general causes many problems......being hypocritical and assuming superiority is just another way of making one feel better (probably a result of the drug abuse). What needs to be understood is that drug addicts don't think normally...if they take out anger on people like them using different substances....feel sympathy first...don't be too quick to criticise.


Now.....swim is NOT arguing for these douchebags who think alcohol is so safe compared to stuff like cocaine.....but that's just ignorance guys.....nothing more. Educate these people...if they cannot be educated....it is inherently their problem....and swim hopes they have happy lives dealing with alcohol.

Sal-A

Edit: Drab4.......swiy said it too.....sorry....didn't read all the way through this thread.

[ihavequestions]

dude, RELAX. swim drinks too. swiy cant be so sensitive about double standards and shit like that. who cares what people say. swim thinks swiy misinterpreted what he said. of course not ALL drunks are obnoxious. he just meant in general. SWIM didnt state than one type of user is better than the other. SWIM stated that BOTH of them have there bad sides and thats what he expressed when he used those words to describe them. swi-us doesnt have to be so ploiticaly correct with this kind of stuff.

[crunchyblack]

Almost all drugs are safe and don't pose much risk if used responsibly. People shouldn't be worried about the drugs but should be worried about themselves and their self control.

[th3tawav3]

Originally Posted by crunchyblack

Almost all drugs are safe and don't pose much risk if used responsibly. People shouldn't be worried about the drugs but should be worried about themselves and their self control.

swim agrees very much with this statement and feels that if everyone just takes into account 'the golden rule of moderation', any drug can be great and ANY mind altering substance has the potential to negatively affect a life.

Anyone taking mind altering substances from legal pills, to crack, to heroine, to morphine, should not look down upon, or have contempt for those who choose a different mind altering substance. It is the person who brings about their own addiction, not the drug.

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[chinpokomaster]

I'm not really talking so much about people that won't try harder drugs, but people who turn up their noses at people who do. That's where the hypocrisy is. This isn't a comparison of drug pharmacology, it's to do with attitudes and pomp.

[gotabeer12]

Oh yeah, as to replying to the OP SWIM hates drinkers thinking themselves so much better than other drug users. It's complete BS, and they need to get off of their high horse.

If anyone should have a right to look down upon any other group of drug users(including alcohol) it should be pot smokers. SWIM doesn't support that line of thinking, but it makes a hell of a lot more sense than alcohol consumers.

gotabeer12 added 5 Minutes and 17 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by chinpokomaster

I'm not really talking so much about people that won't try harder drugs, but people who turn up their noses at people who do. That's where the hypocrisy is. This isn't a comparison of drug pharmacology, it's to do with attitudes and pomp.

OK, that makes more sense. Sorry, SWIM didn't grasp what you were getting at correctly.

Except it is somewhat hard to blame people when much of the only users that they consciously see are crackheads and junkies living as hobos on the street begging for money. They are annoying as hell, and lower the standard of society.

[chinpokomaster]

True, but lots of homeless people are alcoholics as well and anyone that smokes crack or shoots dope that isn't homeless isn't going to be dancing in the streets telling people.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Alcohol is just so passe and boring.Its the one drug swim has found that has no worth to an individual or society as a whole.Every alcoholic swim has ever met has been a closeminded and simple idiot.This is not a stereotype it is just the truth.The world would be a better place if alcohol didn't even exist.

[fidens]

Originally Posted by Orchid_Suspiria

Alcohol is just so passe and boring.Its the one drug swim has found that has no worth to an individual or society as a whole.Every alcoholic swim has ever met has been a closeminded and simple idiot.This is not a stereotype it is just the truth.The world would be a better place if alcohol didn't even exist.

I drink regularly, and often heavily, and I'm neither of those things. Don't you see that mindsets such as yours, about ANY substance, are the real problem?

Look at you, deciding what the objective truth is about alcohol. I think it's time you eat some humble pie and observe the reality of things for a while.

[ihavequestions]

not necesserily true. sure alot are. but there have been many famous artists musicians etc. who have drank heavily and some have even gained insperations from the alcohol induced troubles and turned them into works of art in various forms. swims dad was a mean alcoholic and even swim doesnt group all alcoholics or heavy drinkers into one negative category. alcohol has contributed to mass deaths as well as major societal changes. in fact one can say that alcoholism and some of the negative aspects of alcohol may even be a NECESSERY struggle for a persons personal growth. or we can go the simple route and just have fun with it at parties.

[frenchywife]

[quote=ClearView;402582]This really makes SWIM's blood boil!!!!!!!!

Drinkers [but heavy drinkers especially] who are quick to criticize, condemn, even look down on coke users who just want to get high as much as alcholoics like to get drunk or at least feel good with a glass two. Are the two both not drugs?

Is SWIM the only person who thinks this is the worst of hypocracy??

SWIM couldn't agree more and can totally relate. SWIM used to be very friendly with this couple who were just like that - heavy drinkers who condemned any form of drug use other than drinking. Drinking is okay only because it's legal - any other drug is wrong because it's illegal - simple as that. Needless to say, SWIM has distanced herself from these totally ignorant and simple people. They just don't get it! The bigger problem though is that society is easy to condemn the unconventional as it upsets the perceived necessary status quo.

[ClearView]

For All SWIYs information.

Here's what SWIM thinks of the following drugs:

Alcohol: SWIM does not like it. Does not produce a high as such but only stupor. SWIM does not like the smell even. SWIM basically cannot stand it. Even at christmas time. But here's the key. SWIM does not critisize those who drink the stuff.

Marijuana: SWIM does not go looking for it. And now will rarely smoke it if passed to SWIM. Makes SWIM lazy, unfocused. No real high only red eyes, dark lips, rough throat in the morning. Makes SWIM less intelligent definetly as SWIM performs poorly on his mobile phone brain trainer after smoking. Also, makes SWIM forgetfull. These two facts are definetly true. But here's the key. SWIM does not critisize those who smoke the stuff.

Ecstacy: Probably one of the best recreational drugs. But it has its 'payback time'. SWIM enjoys E very much as it produces an 'authentic' high. However, SWIM does not like the come down at all. Cognitive effects a little better than Marijuana though. However, with ecstacy it seems that it is possible to make a full recovery providing one does not take 5 in one night (max 1, preferbly half). No great advantage in taking more in a night (as some SWIYs may think). Should be evenly spaced out. Miminum a month, more recommended. If the negative effects of ecstacy can be reduced or removed and it is known definetly not to cause negative changes in the brain in the future this would possibly be the best drug on earth!

Heroine.: SWIM tried once (smoked). Just made SWIM very relaxed and at ease. But SWIM will not be going back in a hurry.

Cocaine: The best high according to SWIM, along the lines of E. However, there are several problems with quality, money, adulterants and duration of high. Highly addictive but depends on individual. Little cognitive effects from SWIMs experience. However, an all night binge means that SWIM could be sleeping the whole of Saturday (a waste). Demanding on cardiovascular system but only repeated high doses for a long time.