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Old 22-04-2008, 00:15
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Methylmethaqualone (MMQ) Experiences

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Old 03-07-2008, 19:44
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

Since it's not worth swim taking it orally & the high is great, SWIM was just wondering how he could get more out of the stuff....?

Considering it takes SWIM at least 250mg orally to get a good buzz, what doses would be good for:

a) Nasal
b) Rectal

...SWIM is a bit apprehensive about plugging but it's the last of his (current) MMQ and I think he feels like he wants try something new

Anyone familiar with MMQ and possibly with different roots of administration then please...info!

Thanks.

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Old 14-07-2008, 20:11
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

Smoking needs only low doses but be careful and look into it. 250 orally is a very high dose, be careful this stuff is new and pretty untested.
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Old 17-07-2008, 18:01
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

warning. do not use. very narrow TI. potentially fatal.

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Old 27-07-2008, 23:22
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

One raven recently learned the scary way the importance of knowing your source. It was sold a substance as 'methaqualone', several friends were fooled aswell. No positive reports all negative. A couple even threw out the remainder of their stash after initial trials. Having read and heard much of the famous 'ludes they were all a bit confused why this substance was so miserable in their experience. It eventually dawned on them that they had been fooled either intentionally or at best because the source simply didn't know better. The raven is now certain it had been exposed to methylmethaqaulone instead.
The following short report is in it's original form and therefore full of mislabeled drugs, hazardous dosage suggestions and descicion making blindly guided by wrongful information, and having just seen nanobrain's warning in this thread as of now (the bird is looking over my shoulder as I'm typing.) the raven not only feels ripped of but also lucky just to be alive.
BTW, pardon me for being blond, what is TI. an abbreviation for? Two letter words are a bitch to google...

A raven recently landed on top of my chamber door and told me the following. It had aquired 1 gram of methaqualone from places unknown and having been fascinated by this substance for a while (ever since around Denis Leary's - 'No Cure for Cancer' album hit the shelves) it had eagerly filled it's beak with the stuff.
The substance had a consistens that reminded the bird of meth, small offwhite needle crystals about 2-4mm in length. After an initial small test dose to make certain it didn't cause alergic reactions or worse and after having consulted erowid's dosage page which warns that doses above 300mg could be dangerous for first time users, it decided to ingest 300mg orally. (Because nearly all inventory in the nest was packed in boxes due to a recent relocation to a new neighbourhood and the ravens empty capsules was lost in the one of the boxes, it instead made a 'bomb' aka packaged the subtance in half-a-piece of joint paper and swallowed.
After about 45 minutes effects were becomming noticeable, and the raven started to feel drowsy. Not a whole lot more happened though, and the raven felt rather dissapointed and had expected much more. So after T+1.30h (T in this case being the point were the first effects were noticeable) it redosed another 100mg orally and waited another hour. It barely felt an increase in intensity so decided a glass of red wine could only improve the effects or lack there of. Meanwhile he spoke with a friend who had tried the substance the prior evening and who had ended up ingesting an entire gram without much effects and although he has an additional 10 years worth of drug experience with long periods of heavy use of downers more than the raven, the feedback didn't make the raven much more optimistic about the recreational value of the substance. The raven decided to up the dose once more at around T+3h, this time redosing 300mg along with another glass of wine, and at T+3.5h he definately felt an increase in intoxication. There wasn't much euphoria though and it felt more like the one time it after 2 weeks of insomnia due to a kundalini process in action, in desperation had eaten some of a friends antipsychotic meds, more precisely olanzapine (along with serequel, truxal, GBL -> still no sleep =)). Although the methaqaulone didn't have the same limiting effects on his thought processes as the olanzepine, the lack of motorical skills and the horrible feeling of having some shitty drug loose in it's CNS was nearly identical. He felt a desire to sleep but was afraid to give in to the temptation as large amounts of downers + sleep have cost him a few friends in the past, he managed to find 10mg methylphenidate in the nest and ate that and he wasn't certain it would have much influence at all, but it was all the stimulants he could find. He experienced some sensations of loss of muscle control or shortcircuting of the nerve signals, like if reaching out for something the arm would drop midway for a few 100ms, this too reminded him of his olanzepine experience. So he was feeling defect, somewhat sedated, not even slightly euphoric, with a grudge on Denis Leary and everyone else that had experienced the 70s and found this drug interesting. He decided to terminate the experiment and the toilet later received the remaining stash.
Quoth the raven, 'Nevermore!'

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Old 28-07-2008, 01:23
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

Having lived through the 1970's and never once going to a disco, Bongo had occasion to play with Quaaludes. Rorer 714's were the big, sloppy buzz people took before cocaine flooded the streets. It was like a somewhat more euphoric version of Valium. Sort of a mid-range between Valium and Amytal - sodium amobarbital. 150mg was sufficient to sedate one from shooting the radio that was playing "Kung Fu Fighting," and a whole one - 300mg -would put you to sleep.

Bongo is amazed that people regard this over-rated sleeping pill as some sort of Holy Grail. Yuk!
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Old 28-07-2008, 01:56
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

Swim has always been very intrigued with methaqualone.A more euphoric valium?That sounds entirely awesome!Swim always thought ambien(zolpiderm)was like the more euphoric benzo but this sounds even cooler.It sounds like a complete death of anxiety.
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Old 28-07-2008, 05:44
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

Has SWIPanthers007 by any chance sampled both the, times two, methylated version of methaqualone aswell as the original to be able to make some comparison between the two? and would he believe the ravens experience reported although not very detailed was similar or comparable to what an individual with no particular liking for the supposed euphoria of benzodiazepines, which usually only makes him feel dumb and tired might conclude despite the difference in effectcurve in regards to dosage?

OT: Hahah, the Mungo Jerry reference made SWIM laugh, I could easily imagine downers was a must-have around those times for anyone with a sense for quality music and a care for what their ears were exposed to. In SWIM's part of the world ABBA was the plague (he luckily only knows this from all the 70s revival music broadcasts and his parents record collection) though still worth killing a transistor for. Anyways the raven thanks SWIY for embellishing his image of folks alive back then, he's glad to hear SWIY weren't all on the 'luuuudes! fucking luuudes, man!'-train.
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Old 28-07-2008, 06:17
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

Bongo was unimpressed with the actions of the parent molecule. Though he did study the synthesis for shits & giggles, he never even considered tampering with it. He would have considered this to be an act by Dr. Frankenstein himself.

"Discos are a place where boring, uninteresting people meet and reproduce." - Frank Zappa
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Old 28-07-2008, 06:51
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

I can easily understand Bongo's position on the matter, and the raven's curiosity for this particular branch of synthetics has been fullfilled and/or killed. I do love around 50% of Zappa's discography, although not recalling that particular quote but could perhaps be from an interview. It made me think though, were discos really the place where the methaqualone-crowd hung out? I couldn't imagine it being the optimal drug for showing of ya new bellbottoms on the dancefloor. Could it have been the original daterape-with-somewhat-mumbled-consent-drug that has started all the fuzz of people spiking drinks and what not the media have been hammering on ever since?
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Old 28-07-2008, 06:51
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

Well at least Qualudes did something. Unlike the sleep meds now adays. They were not about getting high or getting insight. They were about getting fucked up. You kinow like really fucked up. Like falling through a plate glass window fucked up. And when one combined them with alcohol you could really hide from yourself..

The thing is that they had one advantage. If a person overdosed they did not mess with thevitals as much as barbituates. And the "ludes" got out of the system quicker. So one had a better chance of surviving. And as I said they were a pill that actually put one to sleep...

SWIM;s father was an MD and SWIM would have access to many of them as he cleaned his fathers office on the weekend. Back then all the old people were on ludes to sleep. They were very easy to get and popular..
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Old 28-07-2008, 14:22
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

SWIM's experiences:

Stats: Male, 21yrs old, 65kg, 5'11"
Dosage: 10-25 mg
Route: smoked in a pipe on top of tobacco
Duration: 30second peak 30 minute after effects
Main effects : Kicked in very quickly, very strange rushy, convulsing, spinning out type of high. Not entirely nice, not entirely horrible. Bigger hits really made SWIM convulse though, sort of felt like having done far too much GBL but only for half a minute.
side effects : Bigger hits almost made SWIM pass out. One big hit did actually make one of SWIMs mates fall to the floor, drooling everywhere, completely unresponsive for about a minute. Then he returned to normal completely unaware seconds ago he had been on the floor and continued talking about what he had started just before smoking it.
after effects : After effects are much nicer, nice afterglow, relaxing, kind of valiumish stoned type feeling lasting for half an hour or so.
rating of the experience Undecided. Not sure whether it's enjoyable or not. The after effects are nice but the main peak is a bit weird. However whilst SWIM was not sure whether he was enjoying doing it he still did hit after hit.
addictive qualities / abuse potential : Could see it being pretty addictive, kind of like the way crack is. Although instead of a nice floating euphoric high you get a really weird crazy buzzy seizurish type high but followed with a nice relaxed state
Other information : Smoke tastes pretty pleasent for a chemical

SWIM also tried it orally at doses from 50-150mg. Produced the nice relaxed feeling like after the peak of smoking just not as strong. Felt sort of valium sort of opiate like but different at the same time. Made SWIM spin out a bit when he smoked weed on it, like when you smoke weed when drunk.

SWIM will not bother buying any MMQ again. He only got 1g and doesn't feel that it needs anymore experimenting with as it isn't SWIMs kind of high. Maybe good for comedowns but SWIM has plenty of other things he can use.
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Old 29-07-2008, 05:33
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

A sleeping pill that truly and effectively works is not really a bad thing.Swim has noticed ones like zolpiderm(ambien)tend to put one asleep but not keep one that way.Did methaqualone induce long and deep sleep?
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

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A sleeping pill that truly and effectively works is not really a bad thing.Swim has noticed ones like zolpiderm(ambien)tend to put one asleep but not keep one that way.Did methaqualone induce long and deep sleep?
You know I think so if I remember right. But it is hard to be sure because SWIM was so young and when you are a teenager you tend to sleep deep and long. But there is one thing for sure. You would go to sleep and quite quickly. It was nothing like Ambien at all. I mean one 300 mg Quaalude and you definitely felt fucked up. It was that strong. And SWIM's father was an MD back then and he was very very pissed off when Quaalude became illegal. SWIM remembers that he was saying it was a diservice to the patients and the DEA over reacted.
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Old 30-07-2008, 00:02
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

Oh well, the raven has just spoken with his source who've arrived home from holidays. It seems he was wrong afterall, the substance is methaqualone so appologises for misplacing the above report. Several ppl that SWIM knows has had positive effects, or atleast what one might expect, on 600mg doses he just hadn't heard about them till now. The source had purchased this as mandrax from his source, so should be luuuudes afterall. The raven partially biased his assumption on the lacking effects, and on the fact that methylmethaqaulone is the only available chem of the two in the RC world to his and friends knowledge, but turns out the substance was aquired in different circles. After reading what folks here say, it's not so hard to believe that the raven concluded it was a shitty substance. So sorry for wasting everyones time. Peace!

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Old 05-09-2008, 08:48
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

hmm... let's see how my good friend, Jim Petersonbergerfieldschvelt reacted to the very rare research chem--methylmethaquaalone.

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1. Oral 100mg in capsule, no noticeable effects, except that 10% of my stock has gone to waste...

2. Oral 200mg in capsule...still, I really want to say "NO NOTICEABLE EFFECTS"....possibly there were effects, but nothing to stand out from the background clutter (tiredness, emotional clutter, being nagged at home, etc.)


3. SMOKED: various doses; 5mg, 10mg, & 15mg. was very very careful at first, carefully measuring out 5mg...by the time I was cashing out my supply (~48hr later!), I had learned what 5, 10, & 15mg looks like FOR SURE with this chem. Although this stuff definitely gives you an immediate RUSH (no doubt), and everything you're looking at gets...well, all fucked up for a few minutes...completely DIFFERENT in effects than any other drugs, however, it is similar to GHB/GBL and to nitrous oxide; but as I said before, it's certianly NOT those others! I dare say that GBL/GHB & nitrous are bot BETTER than this crap.

really, tbh, I think that I kept doing this out of nothing else but sheer boredom. Don't think it had any kind of 'addictive' or altogether 'pleasant' properties, aside from the extremely SHORT effects (~5 minutes...).

Elsewhere on the net, they're referring to this as "QUACK" because it has some properties of crack-smoking--i.e. the rush, you smoke it(!), the effects are super-short lived, and there is a bit of an urge to pick up pipe & "just do one more hit."

how was this QUACK smoked? well, this is the part that might surprise you. No vaporation, no chasing dragons, none of that shit...just take a pipe (no water bong b/c the drug is water-soluble!), fill up your bowl with smoking tobacco--pipe tobacco or tearing up a cigarette works rather nicely as well. Next sprinkle 1 dash of quack (just kidding...DO NOT even CONSIDER dosing this shit out by eyeball, or 'keybump', or by using any other homegrown talent of yours to estimate ratios & percentages. Measure out your doses precisely with a real-life scale!) I was terrified at first, from all the negative talk I picked up around the 'net, that I HAD to be obscessive over proper #mg's.

In my experience, there were no seizures, no convulsing of any kind, and no black-outs. Your tolerance to this compound (smoked....not sure about oral, since I wasn't given a whole kilo by my loving, sympathetic parents for still being able to blow out all the candles this year)

by the time I was well over 1/2-stash gone, I started taking reasonable, educated chances. after a while I could eyeball the difference in 5mg and 10mg EASILY. (yes, this sounds stupid--but it really wasn't. after 1-2 days of careful weighing, I had become very educated on "how much" is the right amout. Plus, in case this practice did come back to bite me in the ass, I was already completely aware of the effects of 2x and 3x the intended dose....and, again, no seizures or convulsions.

one thing that is quite revealing about this quack... although I never really truly ever ENJOYED this experience, I still ran thru 1g in 3-4 days... It's easy to blame that activity on being "bored," but I'm sure there's another, more sinister explanation!

oh and i almost forgot 1 important detail...when you get high off this stuff, make sure you're done with any work or emails you might need to take care of. If you wait until you're high on quack, then your little shaking fingers will spend 10 minutes trying to type out a 1 paragraph email!!

btw, hand & finger shaking appear to have a strong relationship to the dose taken...more MMQ-->more shaky hands.

Will never buy this again!

I will NEVER Recommend this Substance to Others!


Wouldn't recommend it to others--however, I know that when people read something, they tend to only pay attention to the portions that ENCOURAGE their mostly already-made-up minds...usually folks just look thru these experiences for 2 things.
  1. to find out the best mode of gettin itto your bloodstream, & the dose-range.
  2. as justification for their "continual explorer" mindset....they find some for sale...they zip over to erowid or here, they get just enough good/great/positive info (like "in some ways, was definitely MDMA-like")---i could say that a damn redbull is mdma-like...but understand that being VAGUE is exactly what optimistic people FEED of of! Instead of heeding ANY of the various warnings, they tend to focus in on the 1 OBVIOUS comparison to mdma ("needle in a haystack self-justification"), so instead of realizing the TR's were practically all NEGATIVE, they rush back to the seller and place their orders....only to be severely disappointed when they try it for themselves.
for those who can read beyond the potentially tempting comments/observations I've mentioned...the ones that can be misconstrued as being "GOOD" if you can't/wont read my entire post...for those of you still reading, please heed my warning about this one...not fun...not really a tranquilizer...NOT quaaludes...very.very.very expensive. and if you smoke it, you might just binge-out on your entire bag in 2 days...leaving you with a feeling like, "WTF?? I didn't even like that stuff..so why did i keep smoking it for 48 hours??"
yeah, that about covers the description.
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Old 05-09-2008, 09:07
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

Interesting report, doesn't sound like something my little fishy would enjoy.

Agree with what you said at the end, I've read so many reports on various drugs that always say it's like another commonly enjoyed chemical, MDMA being the one used most. The whole crazy hype of piperazines being a legal replacement for MDMA really annoyed my little fishy. It was nothing like it in anyway shape or form.

The comment 'needle in a haystack of self justification' made me smile, cause it is exactly that the majority of the time. :P
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

Komodo, you live in the UK!

you don't need to be distracting the real issues by reading about these other NON-BETA-KETONE B.S. RC/drugs!!

Your free time should be quite filled with "extra-curricular activities" as swim can only imagine what HE would be doing right now if currently living in the Home of the B-Ketone Parade (UK)...
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

Haha! I have to read your posts of RCs because you never what will be in it.

My little fishy would be having enormous amounts of fun now if it wasn't for these problems:

1) Delivery of the BK's isn't until next week.
2) Just went for a new job, which if little fishy gets, will mean random drug testing. RC's then become a problem because of false positives and questionable detection times.
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

Seeing as Methymethaqualone is kind of dying out (well, it seems that way. No one seems to be overly fond of it currently), what about the analogue Etaqualone? It's much more structurally related to the original 'ludes and looks like it has a lot more potential for "fun" and less danger of the seizure threshold issue...?

Not that SWIM would ever use such a compound - just curious.
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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

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Having lived through the 1970's and never once going to a disco, Bongo had occasion to play with Quaaludes. Rorer 714's were the big, sloppy buzz people took before cocaine flooded the streets. It was like a somewhat more euphoric version of Valium. Sort of a mid-range between Valium and Amytal - sodium amobarbital. 150mg was sufficient to sedate one from shooting the radio that was playing "Kung Fu Fighting," and a whole one - 300mg -would put you to sleep.

Bongo is amazed that people regard this over-rated sleeping pill as some sort of Holy Grail. Yuk!
I guess I am around your age, because I feel the same way. They wernt that big of a deal..All it is is an overated sleeping pill that was banned because too many people were getting killed in auto accidents, and or OD'ing. Reminds me like how everyone is so fasinated with roofies, which are legal in some Countries, and again, no better or worse than any other benzo. I think it is in our human nature to want something that we cant But this medication is something that isnt worth your life.

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Re: methylmethaqualone experiences

SWIM would say, forget about dosages told by others:
1. The substance seems to occur in various purities.
2. Everyone seems to react very different on the exact same dose, even when all came from the same batch.

SWIM just came along a sample which seems to have a high purity and dosing this substance is the most difficult he ever had.
He decided to take the stuff orally, as many people wrote the smoke is harsh, uncomfortable and the substance rushes in like an asteroid hit on earth.

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90 kgs

Test 1:
Swallowed 20 mg, no effect. Added 3 mg Phenazepam to see if SWIM could boost any effect. But beside getting a bit tired there was nothing.

Test 2:
SWIM went to bed and woke up after 3 hours, still tired but unable to fall asleep again, so he decided to pick up on MMQ again. 30 mg had been swallowed on empty stomach. There was some sort of effect, but very mild and couldnīt be described.
SWIM swallowed another 45mg an hour after the 30mg. And now things going round, legs feel like made of concrete, unable to not bend the backbone, sitting straight is impossible, breathing is somewhat heavy. Sometimes waves of fear come up, cause breathing is difficult.
Overall it feels totally boring, it just sucked out all energy of SWIM and made all limbs heavy and the head "slow". No euphoria, no pleasure or else. What a pointless condition.
Swim went to bed and watched hellraiser and passed out, so it is impossible to say how long the experience was.

SWIM never taken any methaqualone, so canīt compare it with that, but erowid also stated dosages vary heavily, some find 75mg as good dosage, while others take 300mg. And for some 300mg are already dangerous.
But Unlike SWIMs experience, the erowid experience vault is filled with nice reports of methaqualone. Most even say it was one of the best substances ever taken.
Maybe that is the difference between MQ and MMQ, I mean JWH018 and AM2201 are also similar in structure, but the effect is definitely very different, as well as the dosage.
SWIMs final quote, under around 200 tested drugs, this was the most boring and useless one he has ever come along.

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