First timer: method of consumption question

[pinkandfluffy]

Okay, swim had tried most things out there but suddenly realised he's never done Salvia, which is legal in his country! (U.K.).

Tomorrow, the plan is to go to his local headshop and see if they have any, and he reckons they probably will.
Reading on the internet, the preferred method of consumption seems to be through a water bong.
His problem is that he has no water bong. Now, he bongs weed quite often, but DIYs a water bong (plastic bottle(partially filled with water), pentube or straw through an airtight hole in the bottle, stick the spliff in, works wonders.
Unfortunately, there is no "bowl" with this method, and you basically just smoke a spliff through a bong. Would this work if swim smoked a very small spliff just packed with salvia?
Would it be possible to make it small enough (how much leafage is required) to be consumed in two or three tokes? And would this be a good way to take it?

[DividedReality]

Originally Posted by pinkandfluffy

Okay, swim had tried most things out there but suddenly realised he's never done Salvia, which is legal in his country! (U.K.).

Tomorrow, the plan is to go to his local headshop and see if they have any, and he reckons they probably will.
Reading on the internet, the preferred method of consumption seems to be through a water bong.
His problem is that he has no water bong. Now, he bongs weed quite often, but DIYs a water bong (plastic bottle(partially filled with water), pentube or straw through an airtight hole in the bottle, stick the spliff in, works wonders.
Unfortunately, there is no "bowl" with this method, and you basically just smoke a spliff through a bong. Would this work if swim smoked a very small spliff just packed with salvia?
Would it be possible to make it small enough (how much leafage is required) to be consumed in two or three tokes? And would this be a good way to take it?

Hi pink and fluffy, I would recommend to get plain foliage/leaf if the headstore has it for your first, otherwise 5x. Make sure the extract is standardised (more accurate and healthier) and that swiy smokes it right, you can read up how to everywhere here, it is more difficult then just plain cannibis.

As for making a waterbong, you could just buy a cheap trombone mouthpiece, or make a bowl out of aluminum foil. MSDS says aluminum foil is safe any way you consume it: http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/a2705.htm

As for swiys first dose now, I would say half a gram of plain leaf, or 1/10th of the 5x. Salvia Divinoum is more powerfull (and safer :0) then LSD, so swiy should see how sensitive you are to it. On average, a normal dose would be about 4/10ths of a gram of 5x, and about 2 grams of normal leaf, or 1 if it's a high quality leaf.

[pinkandfluffy]

Haha whoops, swim didn't manage to read this before buying and got 40x. Ah well, to be honest he has a pretty strong head for things, and what he wanted was a major headmash, rather than milder effects. Swim wants to go all the way with discovery!

Good idea on the aliminium bowl! Swim also figured out he could smoke it in a pipe (which he has), but swim will try to make an effective waterbong that uses a bowl first. No trombone piece though, shall have to improvise.

[The Secret Farmer]

40x is nuts for a first-timer. SWIM tried 0.1g of 5x for the first time recently and it blew their head off.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by DividedReality

As for swiys first dose now, I would say half a gram of plain leaf

SWIM doesn't reccomend smoking the raw leaf. It has literally no effect watsoever. Extremely mild effects are felt for around 30 seconds or so using large amounts at once, and this requires a massive lung capacity. SWIM recommends a 5x extract with a moderate amount. Use in a pipe or waterpipe/bong with a butane torch lighter if possible. A normal lighter will do if this is not available.

Read up alot before use. get a sitter. Read the threads on first time salvia use.

[telja munda]

Originally Posted by pinkandfluffy

Okay, swim had tried most things out there but suddenly realised he's never done Salvia, which is legal in his country! (U.K.).
. . .
Would it be possible to make it small enough (how much leafage is required) to be consumed in two or three tokes? And would this be a good way to take it?

Smoke it in a pipe. DON"T pack the bowl full of 40x. Start with a very small one-toke pinch of the stuff and work your way up to the ideal amount for you.

A "small pinch" means, let's say, a little pile with a diameter of a thumbtack head. Or, maybe "half the volume of a pea" would be another way to put it. This is with 40x. If you can weigh it, then maybe 10-20mg to start, working your way up to maybe 50mg.

[curious1]

Originally Posted by telja munda

Smoke it in a pipe. DON"T pack the bowl full of 40x. Start with a very small one-toke pinch of the stuff and work your way up to the ideal amount for you.

A "small pinch" means, let's say, a little pile with a diameter of a thumbtack head. Or, maybe "half the volume of a pea" would be another way to put it. This is with 40x. If you can weigh it, then maybe 10-20mg to start, working your way up to maybe 50mg.

20mg is WAY too much some people are very sensitive to it so they shouldn't be just throwing a whole bunch on. SWIM will trip on 8mg of 20x and thats closer to pin head than a thumbtack...

people have reported doing stupid things on salvia. Starting with 40x is a bad idea if swiy doesn't know how much it affects them.

Swim would suggest swiy try 5x or 10x first...

[DividedReality]

Originally Posted by curious1

20mg is WAY too much some people are very sensitive to it so they shouldn't be just throwing a whole bunch on. SWIM will trip on 8mg of 20x and thats closer to pin head than a thumbtack...

people have reported doing stupid things on salvia. Starting with 40x is a bad idea if swiy doesn't know how much it affects them.

Swim would suggest swiy try 5x or 10x first...

Damn curious, you are super senseitive to Salvia :0 You must be wired almost perfectly for smoking it. For swim to achive a level 5 trip he needs to smoke a super high extract like 60x, and swim measures out 33 milligrams of it.

[curious1]

ya swims first time he packed a bowl full of 20x. He was tripping before he even blew out the smoke. All he heard from his friend was "Dude, you can breath out now" in slow motion and then the world dissapeared

[DividedReality]

Originally Posted by curious1

ya swims first time he packed a bowl full of 20x. He was tripping before he even blew out the smoke. All he heard from his friend was "Dude, you can breath out now" in slow motion and then the world dissapeared

I know what swiy means, swim smoked 60x for the first time, and it was about 1/20th of a gram. Swim figured that sense he used to drink and smokes weed, that he could handle Salvia Divinorum! Oh man, did Ms. Salvia tear my ego apart for that one ><

[Xeon]

so i take it from reading these threads that the best method of consumption would be bong or pipe? Has anyone here smoked it in a spliff? SWIM is going to try it for the first time this friday and wonders why bongs are so much prefered to spliffs.

[DividedReality]

A bong or water pipe because it cools down the smoke. To make Salvinorin A active through consumtion of the lungs, it needs to be HOT when it combusts.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by Xeon

so i take it from reading these threads that the best method of consumption would be bong or pipe? Has anyone here smoked it in a spliff? SWIM is going to try it for the first time this friday and wonders why bongs are so much prefered to spliffs.

Don't bother. SWIM will find it a complete waste of time. Extremely mild, maybe slightly noticeable effects will be present that will subside extremely quickly. Pipe or waterpipe (preferably with a butane torch lighter [the hotter the better]), or the powerful psychedelic effects of salvia divinorum will simply not be there. This is essential for use of the salvia extracts, not exactly prefered.

Large amounts of leaf can be used sublingually, but even this creates a comparitavely mild effect.

[Xeon]

Isnt a high temp needed only to vapourise the salvinorin A. That can be achieved in a spliff. Only problems i can see are that the smoke needs to be held in for long periods of time and dosage is more varied than using a bong. Can anyone give me a reason not to spliff? no experience with salvia at all and i wanna get it right...

[Salvinorin A]

It's not vaporizing that's crucial (that only matters for vaporizers). It's keeping it that hot.

In a spliff....a lot of it will condense on itself before even reaching the lungs. The absolute best method is just a pipe....it guarantees hot smoke all the way to the lungs.

If swiy is going to use one anyway....take incredibly big hits.....like monstrous......and hold it for at least a minute (a little hard....stick with a pipe)...use a bong if the smoke is too hot.

Sal-A

[telja munda]

"Can anyone give me a reason not to spliff? no experience with salvia at all and i wanna get it right..." __________________
21yo male, chemistry undergrad. UK.

__________________________________________________ __________

Xeon - Go ahead and spliff. Ignore the reasons given on this forum not to spliff. Then report back. This is all an experiment. Good luck.

[Xeon]

SWIM ended up using a homemade water pipe and torch lighter.

2 good hits of 5x and swim was off into another reality. absolutely amazing but fucking scary stuff. will def give it another go but not for a while.

[pinkandfluffy]

Well, swim went for it.

His first trip he didn't quite get it right (he thinks he forgot to put his finger on the hole for one of them :P ) and tripped quite hard, but it was a bit dull and not enjoyable (not a bad trip, just completely neutral).

The second time he took three hits, and he thought his television, DVD player and video player were a family of animals/humans on a farm laughing with him. He also thought he was looking at a dolls house garden when he looked outside, it was tiny, and it felt like he could touch the street opposite. A strong and enjoyable trip. However, he doesn't have a great desire to finish the rest off (and its been about a week and a half).

Conclusion: Salvia can be fun, and its very powerful for a legal drug, but its a drug to do alone, and Swim prefers doing drugs with his friends.

EDIT: I know i took far more than is reccomended for a beginner, but SWIM wanted to go far down the rabbit hole, to get the full experience. No half measures!