Pharmacology - Ritalin 'equivalent' of Dexedrine?

[MotherSuperior]

SWIM recently posted about the manufacturing issues surrounding Dexedrine. SWIM currently receives a script from SWIMS GP for 40mg(8 X 5mg tabs) a day. SWIM has been getting this med for Adult ADD(SWIM is in 30's now so.... quite a while). This year there have been several instances when there was a shortage of this med, SWIM uses a very well known UK High Street Pharmacy tat has access to 2 of the 3 major UK wholesalers. In past 'shortages' a resolution time was given, this time no time has been given and the pharmacy have been unable to obtain supply for 2 weeks now. Fortunately they keep extra supply for SWIM since the shortage's and another pharmacy managed to help SWIM today though after calling pretty much every pharmacy in 30 miles SWIM thinks today's Dexe's may be the last until the 'manufacturing issues' have been resolved and normal supply is resumed. Last time this took 3 weeks.

SWIM has a long and colourful history of drug (mis?) use, luckily only a fraction of this is known by SWIM's doctors. However, when SWIMS NHS docs(GP and shrink) made the decision to treat SWIMS LEGIT ADD they consulted the local drug misuse agency who advised them not to prescribe Ritalin becuase of abuse potential, mainly by IV and nasal routes. So they went with Dexedrine which SWIM was VERY happy with as SWIM prefers Dexedrine anyway but only had Ritalin over 20 years ago as a child and has some bad memorys when they tried to get the dosing right. To say SWIM was puzzled as to why SWIMS GP was advised against Ritalin on the grounds of potential abuse is an understatement as SWIM has been IV'ing Dexe's for over a decade, at one time taking it with 50mg Methadone ampoules IV... maybe the 'agency' just were unaware of Dexedrine's abuse potential as it seems the less popular alternative to Dexedrine.

In any case, this shortage has now forced both SWIM and SWIMs GP to look again at prescribing. SWIM managed to catch up with the prescribing doctor earlier and the doctor actually SUGGESTED that SWIM try Ritalin. Maybe the doctor trusts SWIM or forgot the recommendation... or believes it is better giving Ritalin than just stopping SWIM 'dead' because of supply issues. Whilst SWIM prefers Dexedrine(not going into the pharmacology but Dexedrine seems to 'do more' with Dopamine than Ritalin) SWIM would prefer Ritalin to NOTHING!

So in a nut shell SWIM would like to know what an equivalant dose may be. From memory SWIM recalls Ritalin being 'weaker'(on mg for mg basis), SWIM enjoys the 'extra's'(Euphoria, etc) but is happy with it just handling SWIMS ADD problem and from past experience recalls that SWIM needed more Ritalin. Is this actually the case? SWIM thinks that possibly for Ritalin to work the 'same' as SWIMs 40mg/daily dose of Dexedrine I would need 60mg. Is anyone able to confirm, or anyone made this transition themselves? SWIM would like to hear experince's or opinions. To close with however hard SWIM tries, SWIM will still binge for a couple of days but now although has a tolerance can still just get a 'buzz' with that first IV hit of 20mg Dexamp.... SWIM will sure miss that.

[Dexyfiend]

In SWIMs opinion ritalin is stronger by weight than dexies but this is from SWIMs experiences with ritalin over ten yrs ago when SWIM had less of a tolerance.
SWIM is currently on Strattera which is fucked but SWIM is playing the long angle to get dex again in three months or so.
Needless to say SWIM is FUCKING EXCITED to be getting dex again as SWIM loves the shit and is sick of using street meth which, while SWIM likes, affects SWIM way more in a negative way...
Quick question for SWIY: how does SWIY shoot dexies??? I mean SWIM has done it on a handfull of occasions but finds it clogs the fit something savage and gets the shits at all the goop in the spoon. If SWIY has a good method for shooting dex that is reasonably safe SWIM would love to know... thanx.

Sorry I don't think SWIM really answered SWIY's question but is bored shitless and felt like typing :P

[MotherSuperior]

SWIM would crush the tablets(5mg white) into a powder, mix with water, empty into a small tub(like a medicine tub). Wait for most of the sediment to sink to the bottom. Takes about 10-15 minutes. SWIM allows 2ml's of water per tab.

SWIM then uses a fine cigarrete filter(like the sort for roll up cigarretes, cotton is best becuase the fibres can get into the soloution). Put's this on the end of the needle and draws up slowly.

The soloution should be near clear.

There is probably better ways, maybe acetone filtering(getting the dexamp to bind to the acetone then using a coffee filter to get rid of the 'junk'), then drying out the acetone and adding water to the dexamp powder. Thing is SWIM is not sure who soluble dexamp is in acetone and has not seen or heard of this being done.... SWIM thinks in theory it sounds good. SWIM would also like to hear of peoples methods as SWIMs method is far from perfect and SWIM feels that SWIM loses a lot of dexamp mix... SWIM wonders how solouble dexamp sulphate is in water... SWIM wonders if left long enough if the dexamp sulphate will 'crystalise' in water in a lump so could be pyschically renoved and mixed and render 100% clean dexamp sulphate?

[Laudaphun]

dosage-wise, SWIM is pretty sure that the average daily doses of dextroamphetamine ranges from 5-40mg and with methylphenidate it is 10-60mg, although she's sure there are exceptions. Is 40mg d-Amp actually equivalent to 60mg MPH? SWIM doesn't really know, just going by textbook as SWIM has no experience with straight d-Amp. SWIM thought about switching to d-Amp but someone advised that it would likely be a one-way trip and that going back to MPH would be difficult, and in the end after the honeymoon was over d-Amp yielded about the same benefit as MPH. That was just one person's opinion based on personal experience.

[Bajeda]

Dexmethylphenidate, brand name Focalin, is the d-isomer of methylphenidate (Ritalin) and is comparable to dextroamphetamine (dexedrine) in that it is also a d-isomer of a more commonly prescribed substance.

There are some threads on it in this forum, just do a search for dexmethylphenidate or focalin.

[inj3n]

SWIM gets the 10mg white diamonds (dextrostat/dextroamphetamine) with M on one side and the number 10 with notches at each curve on the other (assuming Malincrockdt Manufacturer, could be wrong tho) and SWIM has also injected his 10mg white diamond dexy's and believes they are the best for the occasion. SWIM does not encourage this method because of the risks. SWIM has been injecting for some time now and has much experience. SWIM learns from mistakes, but as an addict, there is one mistake that grabs SWIM by the balls, opiates/dex's + syringe. Okay....... oh, dont bother with the orange dexy's SWIM has experienced these and believes they are complete trash for IV from SWIMS own experience.

On With the Show *SWIM grins

Introduction *SWIM turns up Maynard James Keenan (nod music )

--SWIM has many different methods of injecting these. SWIM has varied his methods to obtain the most effective and worthwhile feeling. SWIM has also searched for weeks on end finding different methods.

Supplies- 2-3 clean spoons (oversized) - clean syringe - Cotton/Filter - Cold Water - (optional) Isoproply Alcohol or equivalent (pharmacutical grade)

NO HEAT
(Unless more experienced and have found a more effective method. If so then by all means share ;0 )

1. SWIM crushes x2 10mg white diamonds between 2 spoons and makes sure the powder is as fine as it can get. After crushing SWIM rattles the spoon so the powder moves to the center of the spoon and that will also make any larger pieces that SWIM has missed become visible. Repeat.

2. SWIM uses 1cc diabetic syringes. (Please forgive SWIM for not giving more detailed measurments) SWIM takes the large cap used to cover the plunger and fills it up with cold water. (SWIM thinks it should be 130units/1.3cc's of water, possibly only 1cc/100units)
3. SWIM then takes the cap of full water and dumps it into the spoon with the finely crushed diamonds.

4. SWIM takes the same cap, only 1/4th - 1/3 filled with water this time and dumps into spoon.

5. SWIM then uses the plunger on the syringe (Use whatever SWIM wants) to mix the water and powder together until the solution is completely milky and fogged and there is no sediment sitting at the bottom. (the sediment will drop overtime but not to wait!)

6. (OPTONAL-SWIM advises doing personal research before attemping the optoinal step) SWIM then attempts to add a very small amount of isopropyl alcohol to the mix'd solution. SWIM adds just under 10 units of isoproply alcohol. (100 units in 1cc and there should be more than 1cc added already. More than enough water to dilute the alcohol to being painless. SWIM wants to say harmless but is not 100% sure. SWIM can say that SWIM has used this method many many many times before and has not experienced any harmfull effects and believes its due to the ratio of water/alcohol and should not use more than 10units of Isoproply Alcohol per 1cc/1ml of water. Long term effects SWIM is at a loss)

7. SWIM stirs the mix up for a minute or two very very very well. Then lets the mixture sit for a few mintutes at most. (SWIM advises to use own judgement considering that SWIM is not worried about doing this since SWIM should be experienced before trying this method and the latter)
FYI SWIM doesnt hardly let the mixture settle after the final stir and has no doubt that SWIM could be putting himself in greater harms way but has succeeded time and time again.

8. SWIM uses a piece of cotton and makes a tight ball out of it. (Larger than most since SWIM has a large amount of sediment forming in spoon)SWIM then drops the crammed cotton ball directly into the middle of the spoon. SWIM then waits a few seconds to make sure the cotton fibers start grabbing and soaking up the solution.

9. By this time as SWIM is looking into the spoon at the cotton he notices there has been a slight seperation of the sediment/water/alcohol(which is still mostly the powder, in any case means there is still d-amp) because most of the solution has risen above what is left over.

10. SWIM takes the syringe and places it perfectly in the middle of the cotton placed in spoon. SWIM then begins to pull back slowly on the plunger and makes sure the solution is entering the syringe. Once completed and SWIM cannot see any more moisture in spoon, SWIM then puts all the solution SWIM extracted into a clean spoon. RINSE & REPEAT! The solution should be clear from the time u first extracted it, re-washing is a precaution to make sure u get all the junk out of your shot and to also get more into healing.

At this point you are either finished or you can continue to re-wash whats left in the spoon until u get a full 1cc shot, if not already. Or continue to re-wash until you believe that you have extracted the most you can get.

SWIM knows what to do from here,
and
if the eyes reading this do not, DONT ATTEMPT!!!
KTHXBYE
SWIM wants to remind everyone who understands to remember
"that old familiar sting"

inj3n added 6 Minutes and 51 Seconds later...

Please disregard the last 7 words in step 10. ;0

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