Other - Ordering Mushrooms Online = Dumb Idea

[Lacognac69]

I am curious about how the laws work with mushrooms. I have seen them sold various places online, they are called magic mushrooms or whatever and look like the real thing. Are these actually the real psilocybin mushrooms or just an immitation kind of thing? Or is it possible to orders these and do some kind of extraction or drying with them? I haven't done mushrooms yet so I'm not quite sure how they work and all that. ANy help would be appreciated.

[billyloner]

the law varies depending on where you live. in the uk it is still legal to buy fresh mushrooms, though it may not be for long. i think it is legal in the netherlands too, as that is where the site i use imports them from. where do you live?

[Lacognac69]

I live in the U.S. Is there something that needs to be done to the mushrooms before you can eat them or are they pretty much good to go when they arrive?

[matti_2003]

You can eat them as soon as you get them and they will work. Some people say that this is the mose effective way but the taste of them is discusting in my opinion. SWIM dries them out and then puts them in empty paracetamol capsules

[matti_2003]

MUSHROOM CAPSULE FAQ

TABLE OF CONTENTS:

1...Disclaimer
2...Ten reasons for making and using mushroom capsules
3...Making mushroom capsules
4...Storing mushroom capsules
5...Using mushroom capsules

Disclaimer: Do not break any laws. This FAQ is to be read for entertainment value only and does not encourage anyone in getting involved with anything remotely associated with Psychedelic Mushrooms.

I can not be held responsible for anything in any way.
Read as you please but do not get involved in illegal or dangerous activities... Okay?

In this little piece of work I will cover the Why and the How of encapsulating Mushrooms for personal use. Approach this as fiction.


TEN REASONS FOR MAKING AND USING MUSHROOM CAPSULES:

1..Convenient dosing by number of capsules: no scales needed.
2..Reliable strength. You always get the right dosage.
3..Good absorption because the mushrooms are finely powdered.
4..More reliability in coming up and coming down times.
5..Convenient storage: a photo-cannister will hold six grams easily.
6..Vegetarian/Vegan-approved non-gelatin caps available.
7..No taste-induced nausea and gagging that some experience.
8..Powder can be taken out of caps for tea etc. retaining doseunit.
9..Easily swallowed with water or acidic fruit juice.
10.The neat and orderly look of capsules is pleasing to most people.


MAKING MUSHROOM CAPSULES:

The most important ingredient will of course be well-dried psychoactive mushrooms of reasonable strength. The Mushrooms have to be very dry, as dry as you can get them without heating them up too much. A good place to dry them (further) would be on top of a refrigerator or freezer since these appliances cause a circulation of air by their functioning which does not cost you anything. An even better way of drying them would be to place a thick blanket on the floor, an electric blanket on top of it and on that you place the mushrooms to be dried on aluminum foil and let a fan blow air over them. There are hundreds of ways to dry mushrooms, like food dehydrators for instance.

If you want to dry substantial amounts the best that can be had is a "Vacuum Desiccator" This basically is a sturdy airtight container connected to an electrically powered air-pump. The air is sucked and kept out of the container with the mushrooms causing all volatiles (like the water) to evaporate much more rapidly. This container ought to be able to withstand these very low pressures or it will implode.

So you've got (crispy) dry mushrooms. You'll then have to powder them as finely as possible and mix the powders of the batch you're making.
All this can conveniently be done using an electric coffee grinder that can be had for some $15. If your batch will be bigger then the grinder will hold, you will have to combine the powders afterwards and mix them. This is no rocket science: shaking the powders vigorously in a half-filled jar for a minute or stirring it in a bowl for five minutes is sufficient to get it to be quite HOMOGENOUS, the homo thing meaning that every gram will be about as potent as the next.

Where to get Gelcaps or their Vegetarian/Vegan equivalents? The simplest low-tech solution would be going to a health food store, select the cheapest herbal/vitamin supplement that comes in powder form, buy that and replace the product with mushroom powder.
You should use the capsules that hold at least 400mg of any material.

A way, way, WAY better thing to do is to find a vitamin company that offers "capsule machines" and the capsules to fit them. Basically it is a trough that'll hold the tubes of say 24 capsules in holes, and a lid that holds the tops of the capsules into slightly larger holes.

The size of capsule you are looking for in both cases is the common big capsule called the "00" capsule. One such capsule would be about 9/10 of an inch long and 3/10" across or about 2.2 x 0.8 centimeters if you use the metric system, or it will be somewhat shorter and wider.

For both you will need to make a tamping rod you will use to press the mushroom powder tightly into the tubes of the capsules. This is easily done by rolling a tight roll of paper with a piece of smooth, hard tape around it that will fit the diameter of the capsule tubes.

If you have no "capsule machine" you'll have to fill the capsules by hand. To do this repeatedly press the capsule-tube into the loose mushroom powder (open end down Einstein!) until it is full. You then take your tamping rod and press the powder into the capsule tube. You'll likely be surprised at how small the volume gets. You then repeat these two enough times to completely fill the capsule with tamped mushroom powder. You then press the capsule top on and voilà: not only is the capsule ready in 5-30 seconds once you get the hang of it, but your DNA and fingerprints will be all over it which will make you think twice before selling them or handing them out to anyone but the most trusted friends.

If you have a capsule machine you're on roses: Put in the tubes and tops, place a spoon of mushroom-powder in the trough, wipe it into the tubes with a playing card, press it with the tamping rod and repeat until they are filled to the brim. Then put on the lid, apply some pressure, open up and voilà: a whole bunch of beautiful gelcaps pop out!

Please note that NOWHERE in this process scales were needed or used.

A little on Capsule ethics now. Strict Vegetarians and Vegans, Hindus being among them can not use gelatin capsules because they are made from gelatin, usually from bovine sources. Sometimes they are made from pig's gelatin which is completely unacceptable to Muslims, being the complete opposite of Halal. Jews may wonder whether the capsules are Kosher and health-cautious people may be suspicious (perhaps overly so) about the extremely remote possibility that the bovine gelatin may hold BSE, Mad Cow Disease prions.

For all these people the best solution would be to use vegetarian capsules, most health food stores will have herbs/vits packed into vegetarian capsules and several Vitamin companies carry bags of empty veggie caps. Should your religion or beliefs require that the capsules should be blessed or ritually purified you can best do this yourself or have a religious official take care of that.


STORING MUSHROOM CAPSULES

Mushroom Capsules made from one mass of well-mixed Mushroom powder is called a "Batch" Batches should be stored separately because every capsule of a single batch is about as potent as the other which is a major advantage when preparing doses.

Each batch has to be stored SEPARATELY from the others and must be clearly labeled so. The batch of february 2000 you might call #2-2000 or something to that effect, separating batches & providing storage reference. Ideally a lead-pencil on paper note of the batch should be present IN the airtight container as external labels may fade or come off their bottles over time.

Mushrooms should be stored as darkly, dryly, airtight and most importantly: at as low a temperature that you can get and keep them. The fridge is a lot better than in a closet, but any real storage takes place in the FREEZER. At subzero temperatures the storage-life of your batches can extend from month more to YEARS on end.

A batch of Psilocybe cubensis properly stored at about -25'C/4'F was found to be as active as it was FIVE YEARS EARLIER when it was stored.
Most kinds of mushrooms may thus remain reasonably potent when stored at this temperature for over a decade.

If you have encapsulated about six grams (1/4 ounce) into 12 caps you can conveniently use a film-cannister that is used for storing photo camera rolls for development. Often you can get a sack of them for free at stores where photos are developed. Film canisters are very convenient because they are both small and airtight, these being the most important features. Vacuum sealed plastic bags are unsuitable because they breathe water vapor over time and mushroom powders tend to absorb that. An in-between size would be those small jars of hot sauces etc you can buy at the supermarket: Glass jars with metal lids are quite suitable. If you're a serious grower and you'd like to do some serious storing you can use smaller (or larger) soda bottles. Use brand name sodas with bubbles because these bottles are made to retain slight gas overpressure, meaning they are guaranteed to be airtight. Your storage containers have to be DRY on the inside, that goes without saying.

Expect closet-stored caps to last some months, refrigerator stored caps to last up to a year tops, slight freezing to make them last a year or maybe two and a hard freeze to make 5-10+ years' storage possible. Remember that there are NO GUARANTEES, only reliable estimates when it comes to storage life.


USE OF MUSHROOM CAPSULES

Because capsules have a set size and mushroom powder has a certain density at a given pressing and the powder itself is of homogeneous potency they pretty much dose themselves, and no scales of any kind are needed in the making or use of capsules as described in this FAQ.

An "OO" capsule that is reasonably pressed will hold about 500-700 milligrams of mushroom powder, but almost always the range is 500-600mg. This means that there are about six capsules to one-eighth ounce of mushrooms or about 3-3.5 grams to every six of them.

With stats like this dosing is as easy as one-two-three: You establish through some experimenting how strong the capsules of THAT BATCH are and you then simply take the number of capsules that suits your tripping needs.

Because your batch has to stay dry you must let the bottle warm up a little so no moisture from the air will condense on it's surface before opening it. Then you shake out the capsules, close up and quickly return it to it's home in the freezer.

You must remember that these capsules are FROZEN and frozen capsules can crack so warm them up in your hand.

After that you use gentle squeezing to loosen up the mushroom powder in the capsule to hasten the speed of absorption in your body.

It is best to not eat solids or drink milk/tea/coffee etc for at least three hours before dosing. You can best satisfy your tummy (should you be hungry) with a (sugared) soda drink or orange/apple juice. You can use these fluids or water to take your capsules with too. Among the best liquids to take mushroom capsules with is a well-known DIET version of a lemon & lime drink: It has the citric and carbonic acid for good and fast absorption, it has none of the tannins that even fruit juices but especially coffee and tea have, there is NO calcium to form a poorly sol. Calcium psilocybate salt like milk seems to do. It has a non-toxic aspartame sweetener too that tastes great and avoids the whole mushrooms/sugar debate altogether. If you add up all the advantages of this particular Diet-Softdrink as compared to other beverages I'd say the difference is clear!

Expect the mushroom capsules to take 40 minutes before they start working like they would after some 20 minutes of ingesting mushroom powder, so usually the capsules themselves take some 15-30 minutes to fall apart and after that they'll do the same thing as if you've swallowed a mushroom powder, which means they'll get you somewhat further up there for a slightly shorter time span than chewed mushrooms would.

Be very careful with your brain, your body and your freedom and should you choose to use Mushrooms, use them wisely and in moderation.


by WICCAN_SEEKER


There are also other methods as well. there is a post on here about drying them and making chocolate from them or you could even do an extraction. Up to you really. enjoy

[billyloner]

i think they taste rather nice fresh just be careful though, they are completelyillegal in the united states as far as i know... and as matti said, enjoy yourself! im having a trip on some tomorrow and i cant wait!

[purplehaze]

I have an idea, i'm not so sure on how safe it is but i have a friend that used to drink shroom kool aid all the time and if im not mistaking and im pretty sure i'm not cuz i watched him do it, all he would do is just walk out in a cow pastor and u can find all kinds of shrooms there they might be illegal but the cops arent gonna come lookin for them in ur cow pastor considering they grow naturaly i dont have one but just go to a pastor and look for mushrooms with a purple ring around them thats connected i believe anyways ive never done shrooms but ive thought about it but the army will not let u in if u trip more than 3 times so ive heard but im not going into the army im just not sure there safe when i do im game lol, but anyways im gone for now if i wasnt totaly correct on anything please feel free to correct me cuz i dont do em and not that concerned about what they look like exactly but i have watched him and i do know they grow in pastors and have a ring around them, so payce for now peeps.

[Darthcarlos]

You wont get them shipped to the us only if you live in england or netherlands.

[serpent]

i believe the spores are legal in the u.s. as is growing equipment.i think your best bet is to do some research and then grow your own.

[knowname]

Most places that sell online won't ship to US or any other country where fresh shrooms are illegal.

[CCC]

Sooo swim was looking to order a rose of jericho plant (worth looking up if you're into cool plants), and stumbled upon a site that also sells shrooms from the Netherlands...Swim has a house in Canada and the US....but would it be completely stupid to order something like that??

[Stephenwolf]

Not so sure about canada, but it probably wouldn't get to Swiy in the U.S. and would simply be a waste of money.

[JKLJKLJKL]

SWIM read on some sites they wont ship to the US, but unsure about Canada.
As for the UK, where SWIM is, a lot are aimed for us.

[bman1]

Both Psilocybin and Psilocin are schedule III in Canada and Schedule I in the United States scheduling different in each country, from erowids so would probably not be a good idea to import. Swib has heard one can buy spawn bags and grow kits legaly inside of canada and spores in the US

[AquafinaOrbit]

Illegal. It could possibly get to you if it slips under the radar, but would not be worth the risk. As for kits/spores; in the States atleast they are completely legal (Most states). The point at which your shrooms break the law is when they start to produce Psilocin Psilocybe.

[hellaurie]

So is this definitely a bad idea?
SWIM wanted to order a large batch, of up to 60-70 euros worth to the UK from Holland, is that advisable? He wanted it for a party type event with 15 people.
On another forum, SWIM found that people said "its 97% likely to get past customs because they do random checks and you're only caught with random checks not because its a large package or anything".
Please advise quickly, as SWIM is very keen to get hold of them for this event in 2 1/2 weeks time!
SWIM thanks you for any help you can give

[Coconut]

Absurd idea. If SWIY is caught he will face severe penalties. It is most definitely not worth the risk.

Originally Posted by UK Home Office

What is the penalty for anyone caught importing, exporting, supplying or possessing mushrooms?

For serious offences the maximum penalty for the supply of Class A drugs is life imprisonment, for possession the maximum is 7 years, both can attract an unlimited fine.

http : / / drugs.homeoffice.gov.uk/drugs-laws/drug-act-2005/faq/

SWIM also thinks that shrooms + party = disaster but that's for another day.

Edit: This URL is not a .gov domain, but a .uk. I have removed the direct link anyway.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Please fix the .gov link in your post

[Wierd Logic]

Monkey has some friends considering this, and although he doesn't know what kind of percentage get through Customs (according to some buyers its quite a high one) its not a risk he would personally take...

[aerozeppelin123]

I thought that normally they will just send you a letter saying the goods have been confiscated but if you want to you can try and claim them as rightfully yours?

[Coconut]

Do you think someone who was importing heroin or cocaine would receive such a letter? In the UK, shrooms are in the same class as them. The risk is not worth it, although obviously it's up to the person to try if they want.

[ElectroStep]

Originally Posted by Coconut

Do you think someone who was importing heroin or cocaine would receive such a letter? In the UK, shrooms are in the same class as them. The risk is not worth it, although obviously it's up to the person to try if they want.

Yes you would.

If customs find a package being sent to you with RCs, LSD, Ketmaine, Mushrooms, etc they will send you a letter (unless it's like 5 k of cocaine or something). They're no way of proving that it was just sent randomly to you, by someone who doesn't like you and wants you in trouble or something. Small amounts are fine, but they will check any imcoming packages for the next 6 months or so if you are caught.

I've known a lot of people to order shrooms online, one or two have had a love letter from customs, but not a problem the actual suppliers.

[kerang]

If swim was OP he would spend more time in that house in Canada as there are several online supplyers of both shrooms and mariuana located in that country.
Due to Netherlands more liberal laws, customs in swims country pays special attention to mail that comes from there.

[Venusia]

Originally Posted by aerozeppelin123

I thought that normally they will just send you a letter saying the goods have been confiscated but if you want to you can try and claim them as rightfully yours?

Swiv doesn't know about the UK, but in the US, they send a letter stating they have your package and you can claim it (which would've been incriminating swiv's self as she had ordered some lorazepam online) and if swiv didn't pick it up, they would destroy the package. Swiv opted to let them destroy it, but had the company resend it and got the package.

Anyway, it probably wouldn't be advisable to get the package. Just swiv's two cents.

[SullyGuy]

SWIM knows that there is a site that operates IN Canada, and guarantees the product delivery. It is illegal to search Canadian mail + no customs = delivery.

I know of someone who paid for over XXX in product and received it, no problem.

[Alfa]

Lets not discuss specific sources here, as that's against the rules.
Magic mushrooms seem to be illegal in Canada. FUBARS friend ordered kits to Canada, which where intercepted by customs. Customs sent a letter to the website stating the kits where illegal and not to send any more. So ordering magic mushrooms to Canada would not be a very good idea IMHO.