K-Hole's, how many mg's to find yours?!

[BlondieUK]

Hello,

Swim is looking to get some K and is wondering roughly how much of a gram Swim would need to go swimming in the K-hole ?

Swim doesn't want to feel "drunk" or "trippy".. Swim is more interested in the out of body experiences commonly referred to whilst in the K-Hole state.

Any swimmers out there that can help?

Thanks!

[Silentscream]

If swy hasnt already found this website, www.erowid.org is always the first place to check for dosage reccomendations. Obviously what is printed there is only a rough guide, as each and every person is different but its something to start from.

Insufflated / Nasal Ketamine Dosages
by body weight approx total
Threshold .1 mg / lb 10 - 15 mg
Light .15 mg / lb 15 - 30 mg
Common .3 mg / lb 30 - 75 mg
Strong .5 - .75 mg / lb 60 - 125 mg
The K Hole 1 mg / lb 100 - 250 mg

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/keta...ine_dose.shtml

[Lettish]

Yes, the Erowid guides are good. Swim can relate to them because he bought a gram back in January and still has some left. He has used his gram about four times since January (not necessarily reaching a K-hole everytime though), and he still has about a third left. But of course, every one is different.

[BlondieUK]

Thankyou, that's just what my goldfish has been looking for!

[PingoTango]

SWIM hasn't properly K-Holed for a while, he can sniff his way through a gram in a 3 maybe 4 hours and reach a relatively dissaociated state, but still be functional enough for conversation etc.

He thinks it's quite scary how quickly tolerance to ketamine builds.

[dave-o]

According to my sloth:
1/4 of a gram up each nostril, lie back and wait for the fairies to come and take him away.

If you really want to visit the hole, go heavy from the start, otherwise your tolerance may build up and you will never get there. After that one hole, don't have any more for a few weeks. It won't do the same again if you take more too soon.

[pinkandfluffy]

Swim reccomends trying about 70-100 mg (insufflated, swim is assuming) at first, to lower yourself into the experience and enjy it but still be able to function (just about ) then an hour later snorting the same amount, perhaps up to about 130 mg, to reduce oneself into the k-hole.

[VitaminK22]

When swim has ket he makes the lines bigger as he goes into the k-hole, he usually adds about 25mg to each line. There are good points and bad points about doing this. The good thing is that with the right amount of ket you could find yourself in a line sniffing race with your co-trippers towards the end of the night. The bad thing is with all the ket confusion, you could find yourself in a line race at the beginning of the session, only to find out that you've ran out of k way too soon.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by dave-o

According to my sloth:
1/4 of a gram up each nostril, lie back and wait for the fairies to come and take him away.

If you really want to visit the hole, go heavy from the start, otherwise your tolerance may build up and you will never get there. After that one hole, don't have any more for a few weeks. It won't do the same again if you take more too soon.

That's a total of half a gram! SWIM only needed 150mg the first time he tried it, to reach the K-hole(weighing 55kg/130lb). Either SWIY must have quite some tolerance, or pretty cut up ketamine. Half a gram is certainly not an amount to reccommend to new users to reach a k-hole.

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Good advice!

[Sklander]

Insulfated ketamine is a child in comparison to IM.

SWIM has injected 100mg IM and gone to the hole a few times. Insulfating Ketamine was only good to add some fun loopiness to one's evening - not for hole purposes.

[dave-o]

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

That's a total of half a gram! SWIM only needed 150mg the first time he tried it, to reach the K-hole(weighing 55kg/130lb). Either SWIY must have quite some tolerance, or pretty cut up ketamine. Half a gram is certainly not an amount to reccommend to new users to reach a k-hole.

Well i'm twice your weight for a start (no i'm not fat, i'm a weight trainer!).
And yes, it does take a lot of anything to get me there. I'll happily drink three bottles of red wine to myself and not be on the floor.

K is relatively harmless compared to things like coke and H, and the OP will do himself no harm having half a gram. My point is that it's best to go heavy from the start, otherwise you will build up a tolerance and never reach the k-hole. And that's what it's all about, right?

But if you don't mind wasting some K and a couple of weeks to assess your tolerance then that is probably a better idea.

[ThirdEyeFloond]

Initially 125mg IM was enough to put a pink bunny I've never met into the K-hole. He rapidly increased that dose to 160mg though, as this way he was certain to reach it, where with 125mg it was often hit or miss.
He agrees that one might as well aim for the K-hole from the start as lower doses only tend to build up tolerance and make the K-hole more difficult to reach.
He has a somewhat chronic high tolerance these days, the last time he did ketamine was after a 3mnth break and 600mg IM didn't put him nowhere near the hole although into a delightful psychedelic state.
He would advice against taking 500mg as a first dose with no tolerance as the above poster suggests, this will land most people on the far side of the hole - aka anasthesia, and may very well put them to sleep with not much recollection whatsoever of the experience. This happened the few times the bunny somewhat deliberately 'overdosed' on ketamine, and he has heard the same from a few friends that had accidently taken the wrong dose due to a defect scale.

[Ranke]

One thing that should be kept in mind is that ketamine is chiral. S-ketamine is the stronger enantiomer and not all brands of ketamine have the same ratio of S to R-ketamine.
Unfortunately swim cannot comment on the dosage of racemic ketamine. However he has had experience with S-ketamine and found that with no tolerance he could reach the k-hole with 70-80mg injected subcutaneously. He never consumed enough ketamine by any other method to reach the k-hole.

[ThirdEyeFloond]

Originally Posted by Ranke

One thing that should be kept in mind is that ketamine is chiral. S-ketamine is the stronger enantiomer and not all brands of ketamine have the same ratio of S to R-ketamine.
Unfortunately swim cannot comment on the dosage of racemic ketamine. However he has had experience with S-ketamine and found that with no tolerance he could reach the k-hole with 70-80mg injected subcutaneously. He never consumed enough ketamine by any other method to reach the k-hole.

Interesting. My petmouse has tried severable different batches of ketamine, and agrees the ratio of S and R-ketamine differs. He assumed the R-isomer would be preferable for psychonauts though because even though S-ketamine is a more potent anaesthetic it also produces less 'psychic emergence reactions' according to some clinical studies. (Ketamine racemate or S-(+)-ketamine and midazolam. The effect on vigilance, efficacy and subjective findings Doenicke et al 1992, for instance)

[podge]

With enough space between uses to ensure zero tolerence swim would need between 100 - 200 mg's intranasaly. With tolerence built up over a few days its can be futile trying hit the desired effect with intranasal though, swim aint rich and cant afford to use a gram unsuccessfully trying to achieve K-hole. Spacing out usage is critical with most drugs but especially Ketamine.

[enquirewithin]

In fact, S-Ketamine turned out to be more 'psychedelic' than racemic, and more potent by weight.

[k-explorer]

Everyone is different. How much you've eaten, how big you are and other things will all influence your experience. A small amount is always best to start with. You can have more but you can't have less! Also the fun is often in experiencing each part of the journey for the first time. Don't waste it by going all the way the first time.

PS - Tolerance also builds very fast. A gram used to last SWIM for several sessions and now 2 grams is a light session! Be warned.

[BlondieUK]

Thanks everyone for being so helpful, Swim will take all of your advice on board and let you know how it all goes, thankyou =)

[BlondieUK]

Update:

Swim had a wonderful weekend.. I'm not sure if the following should be classified as a trip report or not but thought it worthwhile to note swims experiences..

Swim picked up last weekend, along with some amphetamines which is Swims usual choice of substance as it helps swim focus, although leaves swim feeling very edgy and paranoid after a while, although swim didn't expect a change to occur but there you go..

For some reason, on the thursday evening, swim decided he was going to try some K.. and he made the mistake he's sure many people have.

He racked up a few lines, did some, did some more etc, and to cut a long story short, K-holed himself quite nicely.. swim did not get the "fear" that many people seem to get when they K hole unexpectedly however, as this is what Swim was looking for.. the actual experience has been covered numerous times, but suffice to say it was beautiful and eye opening, Swim would take this type of introspection over LSD or any other dissaccociative any day =)

Now, after this, as the effects were wearing off, swim felt sick and vomited a couple of times.. not a big deal, definately not enough to put swim off.. swim was aware he did too much for a first timer and it was his own stupid fault, not K's.

Anyhow, throughout the weekend swim learned to enjoy K in moderation.. a couple of small lines at a time giving a nice warm empathic feeling, allowing introspection and making swim feel at ease with the world.

Swim is very happy, and aside from the tolerance issues, swim would say this is by far his favourite narcotic as it seems to heighten awareness of all around him with relatively few bad side effects.. and of course if he wants to K-hole, it's only another couple of lines away.. the line between a mild and strong dose being so small and all.

Anyway, thankyou for all your advice, it's massively appreciated. Thankyou =)

[Alternative_Realities]

Well, relating to the proposed topic, swim says it's pretty different based on tolerance mostly. With no tolerance whatsoever, Swim can hole with 100 mg delivered IM, and around 200 mg snorted. Swim finds that the more ketamine he takes, the more intense and longer the hole is...