Experiences - Influencing the outcome of a trip.

[Salvinorin A]

SWIM plans to dry a form of deleriants (probably benadryl) and wants to know if there are ways of influencing the trip.

SWIM is aware that a person will not be able to know the difference between what is real and not real on these...(and he's had experience with these kinds of true hallucinations........Harmaline and DXM gave swim them...as well as Salvia...but that doesn't count really since swim can't even understand what the hell is going on even if he thinks it's real)....so he plans to do things in the beginning of the trip to influence the outcome of the trip.

For example, swim..when on DXM once...confronted the head in the middle of the Aztec Calendar (long story short.....he swallowed me ), swim now has a giant poster of it in his room. His plan is to pin this up on a lower part of the wall and stare at it.....he has heard that people have had conversations with posters before (usually of people)...maybe this will work.

But that might be farfetched...what about simpler things. What if swim saw someone in there life and wanted to change the way he would normally act around them....would writing a note saying something like "talk to this person about this instead.." (rather than saying that the person is not real....that won't fly well)...and maybe that will work?

That's of course a best case scenario....the delusions swim has had were usually very short..frantic...random auditory hallucinations (usually when he OD'd on stuff...like the harmaline)........but swim definitely knows these are possible.....swim's favorite was when he was sitting at a table with a plate in front of him with the most delicious food on it.....he took a bite and tasted his own teeth.....that snapped him out of that daydream (this was on the comedown of dxm btw).

So maybe it takes some experience...but swim thinks about 400mg of dipenhyrdramide should do the trick for the first time....and at least at some point make some really real hallucinations. But yeah, more importantly...how to possibly manipulate it....

Sal-A

[RaverHippie]

hmm in the throws of the trip SWIM was always in sort of a subdued state of mind. Kind of like you would be if you were cautiously stepping into dangerous territory and senses were always on high alert. SWIM never felt like the master of his domain more like the play thing for the hallucinogens and altered state of mind to wreak havoc in. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who entirely enjoyed his diphenhydramine experiences.

Overall it was great for contemplation and introspection, and as fair warning staying alone would probably be the best as far as mindfucks go. Hallucinating like that in front of people, would not look pretty. he last time SWIM used, he was shrieking under a blanket because he saw a wolf the size of a small SUV pacing outside his window snapping his jaws at him. The hallucination would alternate between a baby crawling in the street outside his house and the wolf. So SWIM was alternately wanting to go outside and save a baby from traffic or shrieking away from the windows and cowering in fear. It didn't help that SWIM realized that both were hallucinations.

[chrisn]

It is unlikely one will have much luck focusing a deliriant trip in a certain direction. Short-term memory will likely become so terrible that all that is on one's mind is the random dream-like thoughts the drug puts in their head. Still, leaving notes for oneself wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea, it can't hurt to try.

Say SWIY is lucky enough to have unreal encounters with friends of theirs (even at 650mg of diphenhydramine, Puff never had hallucinations this vivid). Once SWIY sees the note (if they even remember to look at it), they will likely to some degree analyze the fact that they are talking to a friend of there's that is not there, bringing them back to reality somewhat and causing the friend to disappear. So these notes could possibly have a counterproductive effect as well.

The poster is a good idea, any humanlike figures have more likelihood to become something "real." Another interesting thing to play with could be a full-body mirror. On Puff's strongest dose, he spent much time in the bathroom, due to needing to pee quite frequently. More than once he zoned out standing in front of the mirror having a semi-half-awake thought conversation with his reflection. At a random time he would be jolted to reality and wonder what the hell a person was doing copying every motion of his. Then he would get another jolt back to reality and finally realize that it was his reflection. This could be a scary experience for some swimmers but Puff found it quite interesting.

I wish SWIY the best of luck but be warned that diphenhydramine is an unpredictable drug and very hard to direct or focus.

[MaggotxChild]

I've taken upwards of 700 mg's and never tripped,except the first, and best time. It took 250. Don't take 400 on your first time, that shitll hit you hard. And unexpectedly.

[RaverHippie]

My friend has done 500 (first time) and also 625mg. 500 was pleasant without any hallucinations while 625 brought tons of anxiety, real hallucinations, and a completely different frame of mind.

[MaggotxChild]

Thats the problem with dph. almost completely unpredictable. i find swim enjoys the drug more when only doing the drug for that amazing body high, rather than expecting to trip. Hallucinations are definitely not the best part of the drug in swims opinion anyways.

MaggotxChild added 2 Minutes and 58 Seconds later...

Oh and far as delieriants go swiy may also want to try nutmeg. Its either terrible or great. Take it at 12 pm and by the time swiy wakes up he will be on cloud nine. 3 or 4 tablespoons of fresh ground stuff, or four nuts works

[Female]

Diphenhydramine is extremely unpredictable. If a certain dosage doesn't work for swiy, wait a few weeks and then give it a try. Tolerance does play a part, even if it only effects the randomness a little bit. As far as influencing a trip goes, good luck! SWIM finds that for the hallucinations to be more likely to happen, a dark or ill lit room is near mandatory. It's hard to get full blown stuff in bright light. The post might help swiy, but make sure that poster is something that swiy wants to experience under diph's power. Who knows what it could turn into. Also, diph hallucinations were very random for swiy, she had no control over them whatsoever. It seemed like when she would let her mind just go (easy to do because short term memory is seriously impaired), she would start hearing music or thumps that weren't there. The visual stuff was more like dreaming while awake than anything else. A towel morphing into a baseball mit. Also note that some hallucinations seem to be somewhat common on diph. Spiders, bugs, weird gel like amoeba predator things, and motionless cloaked figures seem to be common. Make sure swiy is alright with seeing this stuff in swiy's room when they least expect it. SWIM did make a note and tapped it to her wall to remind herself that it wasn't real if she got too scared. SWIM can't comment on it's effectiveness because she didn't experience delerium during that trip. .Good luck!

[MaggotxChild]

If swiy hasn't experienced the hallucinations on diphenhydramine yet then he should only take around 300 and sit in an ill lit room. Swiy shouldn't take more than that, it might be TOO heavy. If swiy decides to do it during the day, then he should take a little bit more. Don't expect too many oev's but if swim closes his eyes he gets amazingly vivid cev's. almost as if he were dreaming, but still consious. Swim now only uses dph in the day. Sometimes the oev's at night can get too intense.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

With anything set and setting is important.Beware though even the most comfortable and happy place can gain a nightmarish feel with diphenhydramine.

[Swift Serenity]

your short term memory will be like gone, so trying to remember what you want to do to influence the trip will most likely not work. I remember when SWIM was at church and they told him to flip to a page, and while SWIM was going to it he forgot what page it was supposed to be

[poorleno]

Originally Posted by Swift Serenity

smokey is right, your short term memory will be like gone, so trying to remember what you want to do to influence the trip will most likely not work. I remember when SWIM was at church and they told him to flip to a page, and while SWIM was going to it he forgot what page it was supposed to be

My research indicates a very familiar sentiment! Totally uncontrollable and almost akin to when you drink underage and believe oneself to have fooled the adults that you're not mashed when in fact they know totally! Other times you feel like a complete cabbage and can't wait to die!

I think a lot of the anti- sentiment to DPH is not much more than snobbishness due to it being OTC. I take the anti- point that it is genuinely horrible but compared to DXM, it's the dosage that causes the real horror. On a pure sensation, my research seems that methadone seems v. like 200-250 DPH....and are the same factors at work there?...discuss.

[cra$h]

425mg for swim had swim barely trippin. he would look at the grass and clouds and everything patternized and the grass and clouds would make rediculous pictures, but it wasnt like he saw people that didnt exist. couldnt find potential for anything bad at that kind of dose, unless swim has a tolerance to hallucinations in general, since dxm doesnt give swim any hallucinations at all, even around 800mg.

[shanster]

Does anyone think Swim would see visuals better if he stayed in his room, with the lights partially off and on 450-500 mg?

[Swift Serenity]

it does not really matter where you are or what you are doing.. as many people say this drug is very very random, so imo it wouldnt really help..

with the lights off swiy may just fall asleep. try playing music though

[porchy]

this drug sounds horrible. i have sometimes randomly woken up with similar hallucinations, being completely sober, and not consuming any drugs whatsoever. the word "deleriant" just to make this drug seem even less appealing.

[shanster]

Swim guesses it is totally random, as he Never is sleepy at any doses higher than 100mg. Swim has done 325,mg 375mg, 450mg, 500mg, 550mg, and 600mg before and has noticed, if swiy doesn't think about anything, the hallucinations seem to come more often, but who knows? this could just hold true for swim :/

PS: Swim liked 550mg the best, as he saw many visuals. Although swim doesn't suggest 600mg or higher, as this usually could cause a badddd experience

[freakymonkey]

Originally Posted by porchy

this drug sounds horrible. i have sometimes randomly woken up with similar hallucinations, being completely sober, and not consuming any drugs whatsoever. the word "deleriant" just to make this drug seem even less appealing.

Swim also has a similar thing, swim cannot make these things happen on purpose though and is curious about her temporary waking visuals. Hence attempting to make them occur on this drug.

I think that is why swim takes it, curiousity (swim does like the weird feeling you get when you take this drug).

freakymonkey added 12 Minutes and 17 Seconds later...

To the OP: Swim doesn't think this is the drug to try control. As others have mentioned it buggers up short term memory. Swim hasn't taken any other drugs that cause hallucinations (swim thinks cannabis may have provided very mild visuals) but swim thinks this isn't the drug she'd recommend. Sure, let swiy take it, see what happens, but swiy could be dissapointed or have a trip different from what swiy expects.

Just have a good long read and see what many others have said before. Tell swiy to be careful.

[Inudiablo]

I believe there might be a way to influance a trip. Have a sober sitter. And be in the day time. Swim found that when he looked at his skin (Under the influance of 500mg) He would see Aztec designs on his arm. Don't let this fool you swim was completely terrified because he thought something was wrong with his skin. Swim plans on doing more but at low levels (400mg) Because swim is interested with the Darker side of the drug. What part of your mind does it tap into to bring horror out? Is it mearly your mind confused as to wiether or not anything is real and fears stuff? Or is it something deeper?

Inudiablo added 3 Minutes and 12 Seconds later...

O and turning off the lights greatly increases chance for visuals... Bad part is that the visuals are all the worst kind! Whenever swim does it he does it at high noon when its brightest because even there swim fells a UNBELIEVABLY strong fear of the dark. Just a Shadow makes Swim tremble with fear. One thing its good for is getting stuff off your mind.. Being as it makes you forget whatever on your mind every 10 secounds.

[Female]

Originally Posted by Inudiablo

I believe there might be a way to influance a trip. Have a sober sitter. And be in the day time. Swim found that when he looked at his skin (Under the influance of 500mg) He would see Aztec designs on his arm. Don't let this fool you swim was completely terrified because he thought something was wrong with his skin. Swim plans on doing more but at low levels (400mg) Because swim is interested with the Darker side of the drug. What part of your mind does it tap into to bring horror out? Is it mearly your mind confused as to wiether or not anything is real and fears stuff? Or is it something deeper?

Inudiablo added 3 Minutes and 12 Seconds later...

O and turning off the lights greatly increases chance for visuals... Bad part is that the visuals are all the worst kind! Whenever swim does it he does it at high noon when its brightest because even there swim fells a UNBELIEVABLY strong fear of the dark. Just a Shadow makes Swim tremble with fear. One thing its good for is getting stuff off your mind.. Being as it makes you forget whatever on your mind every 10 secounds.

Swim had a similar experience. Swim would feel like her arms and hands and face would swell, like a histamine reaction or something, and she would get extremely worried that something was wrong.

Swim could hardly walk to her bathroom (it sucks that diph is a diuretic in smallish dosages) because she was terrified of something in the dark. Diph makes swiy extremely paranoid at the beginning of the trip. By the middle, when swiy has no idea what is going on, the paranoia leaks out.