Combining Naltrexone and benzodiazepines to lower opiate tolerance

[sarbanes]

Has anyone tried using a combo of something like a benzo (for deep sleep), and some naltrexone, in an attempt to somewhat painlessly reduce their tolerance potential? Sort of like the horrible, over priced scam where they put you under, and induce retrograde WD with antagonist. Instead not to such an extreme level, and not to completely reverse addiction, but in an attempt to merely take a small/moderate amount of your tolerance potential away. Does this sound reasonable?

[Orchid_Suspiria]

It sounds dangerous and I doubt it would work.When swim is in a state of withdrawal and craving he needs massive amounts of benzos just to sleep,more benzos than are safe really.

[sarbanes]

ok, then how about the same scheme, but to a more moderate level then you perhaps were imagining? remember, benzos alone don't really kill. imagine they'd be even less lethal when combined with a withdraling psychiological state (as opposed to norm).

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Benzos don't always seem to give a person a truly deep sleep though.Often they put one to dreamless sleep for a medium length amount of time then one wakes up.

[sarbanes]

i suppose that *could* be good (on the one hand), as moderate WD'ing in cleep have had horrible dreams (not night mare, per se), but just horrible, distressing krappy feel bad dreams type. but it does seem, ya need the dream (however good or bad), in order to have the refreshment, aay?

[dna_1977]

SWIM knows of certain guys who already tried that method but that is extremely dangerous and many things can go wrong...first, don't expect to achieve being asleep during the whole WD time: actually to achieve sleeping even for a short period of time after taking naltrexone (when having an opiod habit) is almost impossible 'cause as soon as SWIM takes naltrexone symptoms start within 1 or 2 minutes, not much longer than that; so to get to sleep under these circumstances SWIY would need some kind of anesthesia and even that way don't expect to wake up and be completely fit...

This is a method that might work for people who have a small tolerance and only if one is willing to suffer the consequences of of experiencing all WD symptoms that would normally last for days in just a few hours, which SWIM can actually tell you is a horrible experience because it once happened to SWIM "by accident"...but that's a long story...

forget the benzos though

[Ethyl]

3 or 4th plateau DXM and a few benzos is best for naltrexone. i tried this a few times, this is real WD, no BS here, only diminishes time it takes to heal but its hell, but high doses DXM will help a lot. a lot indeed.

[Dickon]

Although the original poster is long gone, I would like to add a caveat to all subsequent readers. Dr D thinks the advice of sarbanes and ethyl is verging on the insane. No one should use naltrexone for withdrawals from opiates at home. A cat tried it once with a very small habit, and it was a kind of agony I'd not wish on anyone. Benzos in small quantities might (and I say might) have some use in alleviating w.d.s, but they are very much a two-edged sword. The lowering of inhibitions and the hangover-effects are relapse-inducers. The good side is a mild lowering of withdrawal anxiety. The amount required to get some sleep is high for all but a shadow of a habit, and I am in the camp of people who think that the best thing is to let sleep re-establish itself naturally. The horror stories of some undergoing ultra-rapid opiate detoxification (detox-5 I think is a trade name: the "cure" is precisely naltrexone and benzos for 5 days. Sleep and wake up cured. In theory.) terrifies me.

Naltrexone is essentially binary, unless one plays with minute doses. You flip a switch from normal into full-blown withdrawals. To simply reduce tolerance use lower doses! Or is that too simple? As for adding DXM to Naltrexone and Benzos, I'm running to the 20th floor window or the funny farm just thinking about this horror.

Just a view. Whatever works for you, eh!! I'd personally recommend a gradual dose reduction for those that don't want to quit, and clonidine or lofexidine for those that do. Oh and make sure you're able to get to the lavatory if you're going to knock yourself out on benzos, depending on the dose you're going to take. They make you very wobbly if you're not used to them.

Dickon

[teddybearpicnics]

Originally Posted by Dickon

As for adding DXM to Naltrexone and Benzos, I'm running to the 20th floor window or the funny farm just thinking about this horror.

Dickon

dickon, your rants are by far the funniest, most well placed, obsurd but oh so rational talk that all of us junkies need...you type my soul...and for that, i give you mad props...let alone rep points.
.teddy

[Aberdonian]

In swims opinion swiy is crazy for even thinking about using naltrexone, first time swim made a mistake with this evil drug he had been clean and using them for a year or so but started pretending to swallow them and spat them into his coke can so his folks thought they were swallowed swim started using h again nothing major just a 0.2 bag a day smoked when one day at dinner swims mum gave him his naltrexone pill and swim realised he had a clear bottle at table so couldnt spit the pill in, he tried holding it in his mouth but started to gag and ended up swallowing it(this is after 3 weeks using h) and within an hour swim was in bed puking with the most painful stomach cramps he has ever had, an hour later swim was unconcious and stopping breathing and had to get an ambulance, swim would never ever touch naltrexone again, another time before this swim decided he wanted to stop using h and wanted to go on naltrexone, he stopped using h, went onto dihydrocodeine and tapered down, felt ok waited 5 days from last dose went and got a testing kit, tested himself which showed negative for opiates then took his naltrexone, bad move within an hour swim was sweating, puking, could have shit through the eye of a needle at 20paces ended up in full blown w/d , maybe naltrexone is not made for swim but it sure made him ill that time, swim was finished w/d in 48hr but was a hellish 48hr, sorry to go on so much i know original post is old but i wouldnt want anyone to go through what swim did, merry xmas folks.

A day wasted is not a wasted day.

Aberdonian added 2 Minutes and 0 Seconds later...

Dickon your right to be terrified by that idea, i did detox 5 way back in 01, never ever again, no matter what, even if you gave me £10,000,000 would i do it again, id rather slit my wrists with a blunt stanley blade than go through that again!

Aberdonian added 0 Minutes and 19 Seconds later...

Dickon your right to be terrified by that idea, i did detox 5 way back in 01, never ever again, no matter what, even if you gave me £10,000,000 would i do it again, id rather slit my wrists with a blunt stanley blade than go through that again!