feeling rotten?

[medievil]

i dunno what the problem is, but lately when SWIM takes MDMA it seems to come up fine, then suddenly the good feeling disappears and SWIM feels very bad, a rotten feeling, SWIM has no other words for it,
taking more mdma doesnt seem to help at all

[BrainMelt]

swiy is probably taking it too often. Give it a long break.

[medievil]

that does not seem to be the problem, took a 3 month break before

[Powder_Reality]

Could SWIY elaborate on this more, it's kinda hard to understand. Are you saying that SWIY experiences the regular effects of MDMA and then comes down and experiences a hangover-type feeling? Or does the MDMA actually make SWIY feel "rotten". Does SWIY know that they're ingesting MDMA or are they ingesting pressed pills of unknown strength/purity? Not sure if I can provide an answer, but some other members may be able to if SWIY can provide more information.

[psyche]

Maybe the good, love-everything feelings are turning against SWIY when he deep inside doesn't think his life is good without ecstacy? Just a speculation... don't know if it's even possible. Just a wild guess.

[bineon]

Set and setting are very important. Emotional state going into it is equally as important. Try experimenting with different routs of admin. (lol butt, nose, ect)

[CircuitBoy]

SWIM has noticed this on occasion (short, light roll with a crappy low serotonin feeling only like 3 hours after dropping). SWIM is a fairly frequent e user (once or twice a month over about eight years, for several hundred total doses). But SWIM solved this problem.

There are three elements to the solution.

One is your body and the e. SWIM has found having his body be in an alkaline state makes a *world* of difference. Being alkaline makes the e hit strong and last a whole lot longer. SWIM estimates the roll in an alkaline state to be about 20% stronger and about 50%-100% longer. How does SWIY get alkaline? If SWIM is in the UK, AU or NZ, take a packet of Ural about 2 hours before you drop. If you can't get Urals, get this supplement: Source Naturals Alka-Balance and take 10 tablets two hours before dropping. SWIY won't even believe how well this works, it's crazy. A roll that seems to never end until SWIY has had enough.

Two is set and setting. If SWIY is doing the some old tired thing and not having an extraordinary time, SWIY won't feel great even with the best e. SWIY needs to have his life completely in order before partying: work done, family taken care of, tasks and errands all completed. SWIY needs to plan the e high to be in an extraordinary setting with amazing people. Something special and a little surprising. Avoid the ordinary with e. And avoid settings where a significant number of others are not using e, or where there could be encounters with people not on e for whom being discreet would bring you down.

Three is handling the comedown. SWIM takes either 10mg of lexapro or 20-40mg prozac about an hour after the waves of e high rolling have ceased. SWIM carries 5HTP sublingual tablets in a mint tin and sucks on one or two every half hour or so to add serotonin during the comedown. When the SSRI hits, a little 5HTP goes a long way, so be careful. If you feel crappy, take one. Once you feel good, stop taking it.

SWIM also forgot to mention: it's stating the obvious, your e needs to really be e, and not be adulterated with crap.

After SWIY tries these ideas, I'd like to see him post back here with his results.

[medievil]

SWIM is wondering if swiy is talking about the same problem or, something else, swim cant describe this feeling as low serotonin, but a very rotten feeling, if it gets really bad all you wonna do is sit down, it destroys the good mdma feelings
swim doesnt find it just a crappy feeling, but just a very "bad" feeling that sometimes overtakes a roll

if swiy confirms this as the same feeling swim would be very happy to try the treatments you suggested

[bineon]

It seems the only thing that would make SWIM want to sit down would be speed in a pill... =[

[Silentscream]

Originally Posted by CircuitBoy

One is your body and the e. SWIM has found having his body be in an alkaline state makes a *world* of difference. Being alkaline makes the e hit strong and last a whole lot longer. SWIM estimates the roll in an alkaline state to be about 20% stronger and about 50%-100% longer. How does SWIY get alkaline? If SWIM is in the UK, AU or NZ, take a packet of Ural about 2 hours before you drop. If you can't get Urals, get this supplement: Source Naturals Alka-Balance and take 10 tablets two hours before dropping. SWIY won't even believe how well this works, it's crazy. A roll that seems to never end until SWIY has had enough.

Just out of interest, what is the reasoning behind this - why does being alkaline extend the roll?

[bineon]

Its seems as if it is used to "maintain alkalinity" which seems to be a state that is not as acidic as most people's body are. My theory is that MDMA dissolves/absorbs better when the body is less acidic. Any other thoughts?

Also, having known no swimmers who ever tried it, the effect could simply be a placebo effect. This is often the case in hyped-up rolls working better than their not so hyper brothers.

[tip]

Swim has noticed this feeling from DXM abuse. There is a sudden (instant) burst of euphoria for a second, to few minutes then pop!! Its gone then its back again and then it vanishes. Maybe your pills are not pure??

Serotonin is not always the good guy.

High serotonin levels are associated with compulsive behaviors and obsessive tidiness. However the workings of serotonin are extremely complex and not fully understood. Dean Hamer, who has researched serotonin extensively, suggests that serotonin is a chemical that ABETS) rather than alleviates anxiety and depression. Serotonin levels have been linked to aggression such that when serotonin levels rise so to does aggression (Wright, 1995).

[Conkermon]

SWIM has the exact same problem. He doesn't get it all the time though. It normally happens at raves and while he is dancing he thinks about something and suddenly he feels nervous/anxious and wants to sit down. Once he sits down he doesn't get back up, he loses the desire to dance + have fun and he wants to go home. After sitting down for a while he sometimes begins to feel sick if he moves.

He thinks it happens when you take too much E/MDMA too quickly, like if you double drop then take another 1 hour later all 3 hit you and your body is not ready so you suffer an anxiety attack which you can feel through the roll. Then after sitting down for a while your body is telling you to vomit and get as much out of your system as possible.

His friend had it once on very strong pills and SWIM was able to help him through it by talking to him and reminding him that he is in a sick rave environment and there is nothing to feel bad about. This helped his friend but SWIM has never been able to get through it. I think the answer is to not take too much too quickly and to space out redosing. Or that the E/MDMA is very strong so begin with less than normal.

I don't know if it makes SWIY vomit but that is what normally happens to SWIM after all that sitting down. Maybe think up a mantra (SWIM probably will before he rolls next time) and remind SWIY that he is in a great environment, with friends and has nothing bad to worry about so SWIY can get out of the bad psychological state.

SWIM hates the feeling though, it's like dark spots lingering in the back of SWIY's brain and you can feel it through the euphoria so that the euphoria vanishes. As SWIM has discussed this a lot with his friends he has some other theories (sorry for the rambling). It might be an idea to try and not think, SWIM has found that this works for him, it's only when he looks into his brain that he begins to notice the black spots, if he focuses on the music/lasers/his friends/chatting shit then he doesn't notice it.

[medievil]

Originally Posted by Conkermon

It might be an idea to try and not think,

very difficuld for swim, when i start to have this feeling swim thinks about it the whole time

swim agrees with taking too much mdma, swim notices it seems to kick in when the other pill are supposed to kick in, swim needs to try to wait longer for a pill to start working instead thinking i want more of this feeling and taking more

[aBakes]

SWIM had this feeling the first time he rolled. the next time SWIM didn't have it at all. it's an unfortunate side-effect, but well worth it according to SIM.

[medievil]

Originally Posted by Conkermon

SWIM hates the feeling though, it's like dark spots lingering in the back of SWIY's brain and you can feel it through the euphoria so that the euphoria vanishes. As SWIM has discussed this a lot with his friends he has some other theories (sorry for the rambling). It might be an idea to try and not think, SWIM has found that this works for him, it's only when he looks into his brain that he begins to notice the black spots, if he focuses on the music/lasers/his friends/chatting shit then he doesn't notice it.

i never tought of it as an anxiety attack, swim doesnt really feel all that anxious but feels rather bad

its interesting tough because when SWIM gets this feeling, taking more mdma fuels the bad feeling instead of the good feeling wich allready has been supressed a little

Swim really wants to know what causes this and find a way to stop this

[Pretend_you_dont_see_Her]

Originally Posted by medievil

SWIM is wondering if swiy is talking about the same problem or, something else, swim cant describe this feeling as low serotonin, but a very rotten feeling, if it gets really bad all you wonna do is sit down, it destroys the good mdma feelings
swim doesnt find it just a crappy feeling, but just a very "bad" feeling that sometimes overtakes a roll

if swiy confirms this as the same feeling swim would be very happy to try the treatments you suggested

SWIM has only rolled once, and she experienced this feeling a quite a few time over the course of the night and then couldn't stop crying, and it wasn't very nice at all, and then all you can think about is how shit you're feeling apparently... It's crap

[medievil]

Originally Posted by Pretend_you_dont_see_Her

SWIM has only rolled once, and she experienced this feeling a quite a few time over the course of the night and then couldn't stop crying, and it wasn't very nice at all, and then all you can think about is how shit you're feeling apparently... It's crap

swim whants to know something

is swiy suffering from mood swings? anxiety or something else?

[Pretend_you_dont_see_Her]

Originally Posted by medievil

swim whants to know something

is swiy suffering from mood swings? anxiety or something else?

SWIM has her moods, but she wouldnt consider it anything major tbh.. Why do you ask?

[medievil]

it has been suggested to swim that the cause of this problem has to do with setting, swim has got bipolar and was wondering that because of a moodswing it suddenly induces the bad feeling...
swim has got no other idea, it does seem like some ppl are cursed with this problem

[anony]

Originally Posted by Pretend_you_dont_see_Her

SWIM has her moods, but she wouldnt consider it anything major tbh.. Why do you ask?

Hi,
does swim take any other drugs? MJ?
if so; tell swiy to stop smoking it(long-term). swim used to be a heavy mj smoker and when he pilled up he used to suffer anxiety\bad trips. swim stopped smoking and now can pill up fine.
if not; swim tells me he thinks everybody has a very depressive moment whilst on pills, he thinks cause swiy is so happy in the moment that anything else seems VERY depressing, swiy just needs to remind themselves, that it's meant to be a happy moment, so why think depressive?, the reason swim took ecstasy is to feel happy, so don't ruin it
hope this helps...

[Pretend_you_dont_see_Her]

Originally Posted by anony

Hi,
does swim take any other drugs? MJ?
if so; tell swiy to stop smoking it(long-term). swim used to be a heavy mj smoker and when he pilled up he used to suffer anxiety\bad trips. swim stopped smoking and now can pill up fine.
if not; swim tells me he thinks everybody has a very depressive moment whilst on pills, he thinks cause swiy is so happy in the moment that anything else seems VERY depressing, swiy just needs to remind themselves, that it's meant to be a happy moment, so why think depressive?, the reason swim took ecstasy is to feel happy, so don't ruin it
hope this helps...

SWIM has ingested it once, she doesn't smoke anything as she's pretty against smoking tbh... Apart from that she doesn't really do much else but drink to excess: saying that, she can be prone to depressive moods.

Either way, prehaps next time will be better for SWIM, not forgetting she has only done it once, she will stick to the "things can only get better" mindset

[anony]

Originally Posted by Pretend_you_dont_see_Her

SWIM has ingested it once, she doesn't smoke anything as she's pretty against smoking tbh... Apart from that she doesn't really do much else but drink to excess: saying that, she can be prone to depressive moods.

Either way, prehaps next time will be better for SWIM, not forgetting she has only done it once, she will stick to the "things can only get better" mindset

goodluck!
like i said prior, swim thinks every1 has depressive moments on pills, not too sure what or why it happens, you just gotta not let it remain in yr mind and carry on enjoyin the moment!
side note: who's body's that in yr pic??

[Pretend_you_dont_see_Her]

Originally Posted by anony

goodluck!
like i said prior, swim thinks every1 has depressive moments on pills, not too sure what or why it happens, you just gotta not let it remain in yr mind and carry on enjoyin the moment!
side note: who's body's that in yr pic??

Mine. </offtopic>