Drug info - Has anyone tried datura aka jimson root

[linemup]

I remember an uncle who talks about eating jimson seeds some 20+ years ago. Is this the same drug being discussed here?


All I know is he was found walking the streets completely naked and parted from reality. It almost sounds like this stuff takes full control of you which seems rather scary.

[RoboCop]

Someone stated above that datura is a dissociative? this is incorrect right? What is datura labeled as, a delerient? If it is in anyway related to dissociatives I will have to try it (who am I kidding Im trying it no matter what)But from what I've read it isn't it is more related to dyphenhydramine another anticholinergic delerient. Or is datura to much of a mixture of hallucinogen/delerient/dissociative to really put into a class?

[Lasher]

I tried Jimson - or what I heard called Jipson Weed, or Moon Flower, but I've also heard the name Datura, and the trips I've read on here are the same as what I took. My thought was to expirement with every drug, and at the time I took Jipson weed, I felt the more intense the better... but I didn't understand intense. Intense is when you see something or feel something, but somewhere inside, you know it is a trip and you can trip out on it... with Jipson weed you don't know it's a trip. I read a little bit in a drug hand book about a few hallucinogenics: Acid - mild halucinogenic with slight loss of rationale; Datura - heavy halucinogenic with complete loss of rationale. Rationale, that means your ability to rationalize what is happening.


You are supposed to take one bulb, open it up, put the seeds in a tea bag, boil water, drop the bag, and make tea... well being the sceptic that I am, I took two bulbs along with two other friends, figuring, if we doubled the dose, maybe it would work... the girl we were with didn't like it and wouldn't drink the tea, the guy that was with her drank half of his and stopped, so I obliged them and finished both of their cups... Three hours later after they left and I felt similar symptoms to what someone above wrote about eyes rolling back in the head, anda very restless puky feeling, I came out of it, the pain went away, so I layed down to sleep because I didn't sence anything. I woke up to my alarm clock yelling, "wake up you little fucking druggy bastard," - I jolted awake said, "What?"


The lamp mumbled something unintelligible, then the alarm clock yelled at me again. My portable space heater told me not to worry about anything, just to sleep and relax. I asked it how it could talk, and it explained how everybody that touches it leaves some part of themselves in it and after so many people touching it, it was somekind of stored alive source of all of their personalities. This made sence. I asked it why the alarm clock was so mad, and then I heard my voice filling up my empty room and saw very clearly that I was sitting up in bed talking with my appliances...


That was the beginning of what turned out to be one of the scariest nights of my entire life. I talked to friends that werent there, I read books to stay sane and found myself in dark rooms with my hands in front of my face and nothing in them, I even kicked some people out of my house that wouldn't quit laughing at me whenever I tried to pee. I caught a bunch of my friends sneaking into my room and lighting up a joint every time I turned off the lights, and I searched through my dresser drawers for them and came to while yelling one of their names while holding up my alarm clock and looking underneat it... it was a horribly scary moment. I wasn't tripping, I was completely lost in another world. I tried to quit talking to the fan, because I knew it wasn't real, but after a while of ignoring it's constant yet soothing chatter, I would find myself fully engaged in converation again.


This trip haunts me today, 12 years later... who knows, the person I talk to at the supermarket, and all the wierd stares I get from the people around me, maybe there was nobody there, maybe I'm still in my room and I'm going to pop out of this wierd trip I'm in to my friends comming back from their car ride and the last 12 years aren't real... that's how fucked up this drug is... I could barely deal with work or school for three days afterward, beside the fact that if cuked up my vision for a couple days.


My friend wanted to try it and I couldn't dissuade him, so I babysat him. I watched him pee in the bathtub, yell at the shampoo, which the day after he took the stuff he told me it's because he though our friend Tiffany was hidding behind the bottles watching him pee. He smoked ciggarettes that weren't there, and I bumbed him an invisible ciggarette just to see how messed up he was. I couldn't understand one word he said, it was just mumbles, and he said the same thing as I did, that it was fucking horrible and he wished I hadn't let him do it.


The key is, you are not aware that you are tripping until after it is all over, that is not fun, that's just insane.

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great report

[Dualpower]

Jimson weed is NOT a dissociative by the strictest definition. It is an
anticholinergic. This means it blocks the neurotransmitter
acetylcholine. Blocking this receptor enough can cause a failure of
nerve impluses to communicate important bodily functions (i.e.
breathing) Many, many, many people have died from using this. Countless
others have fucked themselves up hardcore.



Jimson Weed is not a toy!



Laugh at the DEA or whatever for all the stupid drugs they make illegal
but don't laugh at Jimson Weed - or other anticholinergics (i.e.
dimenhydrinate/gravol/dramamine). They can easily end you the first
time you try them. For real. Without the fanfare and propoganda.



I've never tried Jimson Weed, although I have sampled other
anticholinergics. There is no reason to go further. Your insights or
experience do not become greater. If you want to try this kind of drug
try a pharmacutical type to get a feeling - you probably won't like it,
but at least you won't have health complications. (assuming you follow
guidelines - check erowid first)



I used to read over the parts in trip reports that said things like
"the most horrific night of my life" because the rest sounded so
interesting and exciting. This is an artifact of creative writing and
positive memory, not a reflection of experience. Interesting things can
happen in the midst of a completely terrifying experience and be noted
after-the-fact in a trip report.

[ralphsdog]

I have heard/read that someone cuthis penis and/or tounge off while under the influenceof Datura inhis parent'sgarden....


Animals probably eat jimson weed, too. I don't know if they seek it out to get "high" on, and I don't know how it would affect them. That is an interesting question. I really don't even think that a cow would consider this a fun drug.



I think a lot of the experience of any psycheldelic has a lot to do with the persons personality and state of mind when taking it....when I was young and crazy (about 25 years ago) I ate a whole pods worth of jimson seeds and had a very mellow "colorful" experience along with


the worst case of dry mouth ever. I'm guessing some chemical in the seeds or seed coating causes the salivary glands to stop producing saliva because DAMN... I was taking whole lemons and after slicing them like oranges I would bite into them but....NOTHING!!! For that reason I was never too excited about eating them again unless I knew how to prevent the "cottonmouth from hell"....but the trip part I enjoyed....have done LSD (the real thing) psylocybin,mescaline but have never saw colors so brilliant as when on the jimson seeds...I have since read from many botanical sources that they are highly poisonous and looking back I think I was pretty stupid for eating something I didn't know anything about...but they didn't kill me...I don't think...the worst thing that's happened since is a few years ago while stoned on some good "homegrown" and walking thru a cow field I saw a bull without a penis!

[sunyata]

From what I'veread most animals stay away from any Datura or Brugmansia plant, they know it's not good for them. I guess this applies mostly to wild animals, they've got better instincts about such things than pets do.

[tweakerfrommars]

"and you imagine ENTIRE FUCKING PEOPLE who you have conversations with and can't ignore."


Yes well this happens with diphenhydramine (Benadryl) and dimenhydrinate (Dramamine) as well. In fact, this is what I've heard of Datura, Brugmansia, Belladonna, and other nightshades...diph anddime give similar highs, though nowhere near as intense and nowhere near as dangerous.


And by the way speaking from personal experience, diph and dime are awful. Dime was a bit better, but both consisted mainly of a buzzy, floating feeling (very uncomfortable, not fun like it sounds) and crazy hallucinations that no matter how hard you try, you can't consistently convince yourself that they aren't real (this is how you find yourself getting into entire conversations with people that aren't there). And when you try to carry a conversation with a real person, you can't, because after you say a few words you forget what you were talking about. Oh, and what seems to very commonly happen to smokers (and me) is you will be sitting there thinking about something that makes no sense or talking to your grandfather that died 20 years ago and go to take a puff of the cigarette you've been holding in your hand for the last five minutes...only to find you never lit one in the first place.


But you can see cool designs and shapes in the carpet. And going to the bathroom is scary. I constantly felt (and saw) thousands of little spiders running across my bare feet, and colonies of ants forming along the bathtub, and worst of all, a giant tarantula slowly crawling out of the toilet bowl. Every time I had to use the bathroom, it was like a race before the huge ass spider got to my genitals. And going to sleep was very difficult and uncomfortable, as spiders kept running up my pants legs.


So yeah, the point of all that was that a high generated from anti-cholinergic effects (datura) is generally never pleasant or fun, just a really big mindfuck. In rare cases though (as seen with datura and nightshades and diph/dime alike), some people manage to enjoy their experiences.

[tweakerfrommars]

And to sunyata's comment, I think you're right. Pets definitely do not have the instinct to stay away, and for some reason seem to be attracted to datura especially. I mean, any pet will munch on plants and such (from what I've read, because they don't getany green vegetable nutrition in their regular food and their bodies naturally crave it), but I remember reading a report on Erowid where someone's cat, rather than just munching a little,pretty much devoured the datura plant. The cat's day didn't sound fun.

[PenguinPhreak]

Datura is NOT a light recreational drug. It is an extremely powerful
deleriant that will take total control for several days. A vast
majority of people who use it wind up in the hospital or jail. Anyone
who tries this just for simple thrills is, bluntly put, a fucking
moron. For one the dosage is nearly impossible to measure correctly,
someone in an earlier post said he took 30-40 seeds, which can be a
MASSIVE overdose from many datura plants. If you must try Datura, read
EVERYTHING available to you about it, and be sure to have a trip sitter
willing to stay with you constantly for the full 2-4 day course of the
drug. Anyone foolish enough to try this plant should remember that the
experience could easily turn into a several day hellish nightmare and
there will be nothing you can do to stop it.
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[dmax]

This sounds ridiculously intriguing. Maybe I'm stupid, but I feel
like I might enjoy the utter insanity. I've always wanted to talk
to appliances, imagine people who weren't there, etc. How does
this compare to Salvia (which puts me in another world in a very
physical and twisted sense)?

[nEone]

dmax - Datura is really not something to fuck with for the reasons you're
finding it intriguing.

One of the major problems with Datura is that you can't distinguish
between hallucination and reality. Even when you're tripping face on
shrooms or acid or whatever - you have a very distinct "I'm tripping"
feeling. You know that the crawling wall is part of the experience and is
not "real". Datura doesn't give you that peace of mind.

What's the problem there? Even if it lasts two whole days - it's just a
drug, right? Well...the problem there is that if your brain can't tell that
you're tripping - how is your brain going to understand that you're NOT
tripping anymore? A bad trip on shrooms can be really really scary - and
leave you insecure and paranoid for a few weeks - but in the back of your
head, you always know the cause of it, and eventually the feeling passes.
I know people who have been LITERALLY haunted by their Datura trips for
YEARS after they did it. Rational people who thought it would be fun to
see elves and talk to toasters for a day. Their lives went to shit
afterwards because of the frustration of not knowing what was real and
what wasn't. It's easy (and stupid) to say, "I'm stronger than that, I'll know
better - because I know that toasters don't talk." That's the trap, and all
of the "knowing" in the world won't prepare you for it.

Datura can be like playing Russian-roulette. It's not forgiving at all. It
could be a totally benign and enjoyable experience - or it could just
completely and totally gang-rape your mind.

Datura is pretty mucht he stupidest thing you could do for recreation. If
you're thinking about exploring Datura, do yourself a favor and go
skydiving instead.

It may sound like people here are over-reacting. It's easy to think that
when so much of drug-lore is filled with stoned hippies talking about "the
mystical allies" they talk to when they smoke weed. It's easy to just think
that it's all a bunch of leightweights and hyperbole. Datura is the viper
that's lying in wait for people who make that assumption.

In terms of reating it to Salvia - it's not even remotely the same. Salvia
puts you in a totally different world shows you a bunch of crazy things,
and then takes you back home - Datura keeps you in the same world and
then fucks with it so that it's never the same again.

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That's a very powerful warning, and probably very good advice.

[Nahbus]

I think I would try it, with a sitter, on an empty island. Prolly not
even then. This drug intrigues me so much, although I will never do it,
seeing how I probably won't have access to an empty island anytime in
my future. It's a very interesting drug, though. The human brain is so
fragile... a couple seeds can do so much.

It is</span> funny that people continue to try it, when everybody</span></span></span>
who has tried it says not to. At least those who come out of it
relatively unharmed. I like reading about it, though. Seems like a
severe case of paranoid schizophrenia in a plant. I wonder what would
happen if a diagnosed p. schiz. took them.

[arnold500]

Datura is a poison, only you halucinate befor you die. the whole plant
contains the drug. Using the seeds gives you a way of measuring the
dose.
When I was a teenager this plant was a for a while the favourite trip as it
grew localy. Loads of people tried it, some ended in mental hospitals and
worse. it was not unknown for people to trip for 3 or 4 days. The over
ridding effects are a changed reality where the halucinations become the
reality, they are real and you have forgotten you are tripping. Its main
charicteristic is its uncontrolability, the rest is left to the enless
possibilities of the sub consious. One thing in its favour tho - you'll never
forget it.

[Isochrist]

I've used datura before. 3 times in fact, although I only had significant delirium the last time. My "trip" was not a negative one or bad, just mind blowingly confusing. I would have to say it was probably more fun for my sitters, because I was no longer in this world to enjoy it.


I've read this thread through, and there were a few things that were said that I feel is of utmost importance when thinking about trying datura.


1. Datura CAN kill you. No doubt about it.


2. You WILLneed a trip sitter. Preferably two.


3. Different plants, even different parts within the same plant can contain different amounts of the tropanes. Start small and work your way up. Use the same part of the plant as your previous trial.


4. READ READ READ. Read everything you can about datura. EVERYTHING. There can be no excuses when it comes to datura. It can be a very unforgiving plant.

[dopefiend]

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[daveman]

I read an interview with Hunter S Thompson. And the interviewer
asked him if theres any drug he wont touch. He said something
about how he had only taken it twice and would recommend you try it
once.

[Lysergic Acid]

Datura is some nasty shit. The shit you see seems so fucking
real, it is a very powerfull disasociative. Stay away from it.

[Unsolved]

Dude definetly do your research on this one. Datura is nothing to mess with, it's considered poisious and toxic as well. Go on erowid and read some of the stories before doing this please. Know exactly what to expect with this stuff.

[Peyote]

Jesus...If you are not funny, if nobody finds u funny then use datura..You'll be the funniest man in the world 8)

[scythebunny]

&gt;&gt;It is funny that people continue to try it, when everybody who has tried it says not to.


My guess why this stupidity keeps happening is that its part ego and part human nature of curiositybut mostly just plain stupidity. the ego part comes in when people think, "well just coz someone else had a rough time doesnt meen that i will, besides i can handle anything", and think they are so much stronger and smarter that they can handle it.the curiosity is the thought of, "shit this sounds interesting forget the dieing and insanity im sure just once will be ok", and of course the stupidity is the selective intake of warning. its like there is a great, big ,fucking, flashing sign saying "this is a really bad idea!!!!!" and they just choose not to see it.


INSANE


i think anyone who is dumb enough not to take the warningseriously deserves to get fucked over by this drug!


personally anyone who wants to try this has to be serious, not justa lil intreagued thats insane. know what u are doing! seriously reading isnt enough make sure u have a sound understaning of other grugs that have similar effects like acid(LSD)DMX, shrooms etc..know ur limits on these!(everybody has limits)know ur own state of mind properly, find people who have already tried it and meet them in person to hear there stories. better yet visit a mental home and see someone who is there because of it. then decide if u are ready and really want to take that risk.


FFS... curiosityKILLED the cat!

[billbong]

Has anybody here actually enjoyed dratura by or been rewarded more than the side effects. I might try it but only after i can claim to be a psychonaut

[ProtectedByTheGods]

First off, I'd like to apologise for my less than perfect english,
and also for the length of this post. Here goes a story given to me by a friend:

Ok fellow psychonauts and curious people, here's a little story from my experience with Datura,
some 10 years back, when I still was young and stupid and just wanted to get high.

I have a friend who is into plants, he got this huge "Encyclopedia of psychoactive Plants" by Christian Raetsch,
if I'm not mistaken, a rather great book full of valuable knowledge.

Anyhow, we tried on 2-3 occasions to intoxicate ourselfs by brewing a tea out of leaves and flowers, and by
smoking seeds mixed with leaves.
I don't remember which exact plant it was, but I kind of remember it as a rather
large shrub, almost like a tree serving the purpose of being an ornamental plant in some neighbors garden.

The first few times I didn't really feel much except for a dry throat and an upset stomach.
So one night, I told myself: "OK, this is it. This time I'm going to make myself feel it, alright".
Stupid enough, I was alone that night in my home, no parents, friends around whatsoever. *slapmyselfforthat*
Said so, brew me a tea out of a couple of leaves (6 or 7 maybe? I don't really remember, being such a long time ago).
I can tell you though it was a rather concentrated tea, as evidenced by it's dark color and bitter, bitter taste.
How come almost all intoxicating plants taste so BAD? Probably natures way of warning.

Anyhow, a few minutes after downing the cup of "tea" I started feeling a really dry throat,
and generally feeling somewhat sick around the stomach.
I thought, "cool, dry throat, just like weed" and tried to eat something, expecting something interesting.
Interesting indeed! I had a spoonful of leftover pasta, and it got literally stuck in my throat, I couldn't swallow it for anything!
I had to wash it down w/ lots of water, needless to say I abstained from putting anything else in my mouth, because it
was a rather terrible feeling, I was literally choking!
Then I started going slightly crazy: I stumbled around the house in a drunklike state, turning off all the lights (night, remember)
I clearly remember doing this in order to save electricity...... go figure!
At one point I tried to grab a doorhandle....... swoosh my hand went right through it.
And then another time, and then again, like the knob was made out of air.
By that time I started wondering, shook my head, and tried to look a little harder.
Actually the doorknob was about 20cms BEHIND where I first saw it.

Then my (at the time) girlfriend called my on the phone, we talked some,
and that's about the last thing I remember from that night.

Next day I awoke, descended from the upper floor where the bedroom is, into the kitchen and livingroom,
where I had been during the night.
What a strange sight: the doors were open, chairs were outside, the telephone off the hook,
and some perfectly good and clean kitchen towels (not paper,
you know the ones to dry the dishes) had been thrown into the trashcan.

I don't remember doing any of this, though my GF later told me how she called me.
Apparently I was babbling weird stuff, and at some point
told her to "wait a sec, I've got to do something" god only knows what.
She then heard me walking around in the background and other random noises, listened to that for a while, worried about me,
but after some 5 or 10 minutes, when it was obvious I had totally forgotten
about the phone call, she just hang up.

All in all, I must say this was the scariest thing I've ever experienced on any drug, very uncomfortable on the body,
although I managed not to throw up.
I do not recommend this to anyone. I never touched that shit again, and I won't touch it in the future.

Now I look back and I think, lucky I didn't hurt myself in any way.
Every now and then I walk by some Datura plant, and it always reminds me that one DOES NOT HAVE TO TRY EVERYTHING,
just for the sake of trying everything.

Oh yeah, one nasty side effect that happend to me EVERY of the 3 times I took Datura, I couldn't read for the next 3 days!
Couldn't read as in: couldn't focus my eyes to anything near.
I mean, I could read billboards and such, but even newpaper headlines
were damn near impossible to decipher: totally blurred.... scary shit.
Imagine my surprise when I was sitting in school! Lucky we didn't have any written test during those days.

Just another tidbit: a year or so later my brother took some, apparently he wasn't scared enough by the report of my experience.
If I remember well, he smoked some flowers he picked from the botanical garden (smart eh? at least he knew
exactly WHAT plant he was taking).
After he started to act weird and talk to objects and imaginary people, his friends(??)
turned him into a mental hospital, where he was put in a straightjacket.
[Sarcasm]Great way to have fun on drugs, don't you think?[/Sarcasm]


So, if you really are curious about Datura, I suggest you become a member of some witch cult, but DON'T JUST DO IT BECAUSE IT'S FREE AND GROWS EVERYWHERE!!!

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Nice descriptive post and commentary. Please be sure to check over the rules and use swim to avoid incrimination in the...

mann i have read soo much stuff/experiences about this datura plant, and to me the sounds like the most hardcore mothafukin drug it the world. Its like if you take it, than you are promoting a REAL nightmare for your soul to go through. I have done all this research and this drug is very very interesting but i dont think i will take it in fear of the scariness/brain damage. But mabey someday because im very curious. But I dont have any access to it anyway.

From all of the reports i have read, i have noticed that ALOT of them are VERY similar and i thought this was very strange. Here are all the major similarities i noticed.

-Extreme dry mouth
-smoking invisible ciggerettes
-horrific blood themes (blood coming out of walls, etc)
-Talking to old friends that you used to know and actually beliving theyre real.

[God_Albino]

drinking/eating its the worst idea in the world, most horrible plant/drug by a long shot.

smoking small amounts of the petals mixed with pot and tobacco is actually really nice and you dont black out.

id recommend doing ANY drug before consuming the tea though

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim has heard smoking a tiny amount of the petals is pretty much harmless and just makes you feel a little floaty and see pretty colors.Swim might be willing to try that if this can be confirmed as fact.

The idea of household appliances talking as someone else experienced sounds pretty cool at first but if you think about it it sounds pretty terrifying in a way to.Swim is a huge fan of horror films so thats why he sometimes enjoys diphenhydramine but swim will admit he has experienced heavy delerium and it was not exactly fun at all.If diphenhydramine has the potential to be that scary for a few hours swim hates to think what having to be in that state for a few days might possibly be like.