Shadow People

[Routemaster Flash]

Originally Posted by Lamb

You can be my bad little witchy bitch Well I'd say that everytime a person does something evil it's more likely attract demons or whatever. Those nutty religious freaks who collapse when touched by even more nutty religious gimps, as if healed of all ills, are born with the strongest drugs pumping through their veins (imo.) Fuck them and all they stand for I say

Clearly not 'born', though - indoctrinated as they were raised, rather.

[Euthanatos93420]

Originally Posted by motherlove1973

I have heard that every time one does drugs that they open a portal to the demonic. Just a thought.

Depends how you define 'demonic'. Personally...I think it is those thing in our mind we have repressed. Psychedelic drugs tend to bring them out and a person of strong mind can study them disspationately and reform them. A process I refer to as alchemy but it's really just self-psychology.

On the other hand others would call addiction the demon. When Swim snorted a line of coke once he personified everything about the experience that desired it and killed it. He did the same thing when he quit meth.

Personification is a nice alchemical tool but more than likely whoever told you this has absolutely no understanding of actual spiritual mechanics and was using psuedo-religious propaganda to sling bullshit at people.

If you're struggling with guilt and shit associated from religious mindfucks then I reccomend C.S. Lewis' The great divorce. Understand also that there are no absolutes. Religion uses ideas it cannot possess nor understand to dictate action to people. It is, if anything in this world is, evil because it claims to possess and understand something that cannot be possessed nor understood. It lies.

If Jesus Christ was real, and that's a seriously big if, then everything the church has ever done contradicts his 'teachings'. Some justify it by saying all the good things the church has done for the poor and the sick and etc. but this is just compensation. The church takes more than it gives from the people.

Idk about you but I don't feel the need to buy a 'soul' from an institution. If there is such a thing I can take care of it myself. The teachings of Jesus Christ were a shitload of parables. Stories within stories. Metaphors. The whole thing is about teaching people to learn to understand metaphor. Apotheosis is, if anything, a journey within. It is not dependant upon whether or not we believe one way or the other about it. Of course, an institution's political power certainly is dependant upon such.

That's just food for thought about 'demons'.

[motherlove1973]

I am not feeling guilty about any of the religious shit, just blown away really that I got caught up in it for a while. Chalked it up to experience really, I do think it is interesting though. I think I do believe in Jesus,I do not push him on anyone and respect their view on him as their right to believe in what the fuck they want.

The church is nothing like it should be,and that I why I stay away. I think that really,if we broke it down that we,human beings are the church, not a building with a steeple.

I was taught by my demon buster friends that there is a demon who is assigned to each and every drug that man does. When you do the drug you give that demon legal right to harass you and only when (if) you renounce that drugs as sinful and ask for forgiveness that you can be set free??? Who knows. I mean if there is anything demonic it is addiction . Swim is hooked on opiates and feels like demons are beating the shit out of her when she has nothing.

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I have heard of Landover church.Toronto fellowship is where the gold is,lol.

[oggy]

Originally Posted by motherlove1973

I was taught by my demon buster friends that there is a demon who is assigned to each and every drug that man does.

Damn it, SWIM will have every demon possible attached to him then, its either that or his higher evil twisted self is tormenting him.

[Euthanatos93420]

If that sort of thing amuses you look up the Landover Baptist Church.

Discordianism FTW!!! (Where's the Fnord!?!)

[Euthanatos93420]

I think I'll stick with my paradigm of experience with drugs versus someone who reads books that say nothing practical about them and devise arbitrary systems of fantasy about invisible creatures that can own your intangible self if you don't do as they dictate.

If it sends me to 'hell' then I'm comfortable going there educated because a society of ignorance doesn't really appeal to me.

Do what thou wilt shalt be the whole of the Law.

[motherlove1973]

Damn dude, why you busting on me for just telling you my story? You asked. I am not saying I agree with it, I am simply telling my story.

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You know shit like this pisses me off. I mean you asked for details,I told you and now you attack me,WTF? I am really not some religious fanatic, but have had some wild experiences that are interesting. I do not believe all that shit, so please do not be so shitty to me. SWIM is an addict too, so she has the little monsters after her also,you are not alone,lol.

[Lamb]

No one is attacking you but I feel I need to apologise because you were being honest and nice and I was being a nob. Being an addict certainly doesn't make anyone a bad person, just like drugs don't have anything to do with evil demons! I'd love to go to one of the sermons you mentioned with the barking OAPs and people running into walls!

[motherlove1973]

It's all good! I am gonna have to call back all the little demonic monsters I have sent over to you guys now,lol!

[Lamb]

No let them come! (As long as they are big and hairy and are wearing a dress)

[Euthanatos93420]

Forgive me. I misread you disposition. I figured, as witch, you would share a similar disposition again that institution.

I'm not meaning to insult or attack your views. Just that I've come across quite a few 'spiritual leaders' from that institution with little actual spiritual understanding and plethora of baseless rhetoric.

I speak from experience with demons and drugs, separately and in combination. Most people consider demons to be scheming mischievous spirits hell-bent on using temptation, lies, etc. to undermine one's life and wreak havoc....oh much like the devil did to job.

This is just not the case. To make my point I would ask you how you discern the nature of a spiritual entity you encounter? Is it a demon or an angel? Is it the impression you get? The 'feel' of the spirit?

If a demon has that power to lie skillfully with it's presence how would trust your perception? Your feeling? Do you think you could not be fooled? How do you determine whether or not other people are lying? Logic and observation...emotion almost always runs counter to detecting a lie from someone we are all too familiar with.

Being an addict certainly doesn't make anyone a bad person,

Much agreed. I think what I'm really trying to say is how I'm sick of an institution judging people, or worse, pitying them. Using fantastic personifications to do so.

The thing is just that these personification are present in the teachings of the religions and while people know what the book says they're completely unware of the psychic impact of the history of what has been done in this 'war' of 'good vs. evil'...

In fact...it's a lot like the war on drugs...moreso than most realise...

Using logic one realises that what was once evil is now good and what once once good is now evil.

So again, please forgive my anti-establishment paradigm and understand I wasn't trying to attack you.

[motherlove1973]

Originally Posted by Euthanatos93420

Forgive me. I misread you disposition. I figured, as witch, you would share a similar disposition again that institution.

I am not a witch anymore. I used to be. I am not a bible thumping christian either, but I do believe in God.

I'm not meaning to insult or attack your views. Just that I've come across quite a few 'spiritual leaders' from that institution with little actual spiritual understanding and plethora of baseless rhetoric.

I agree. The people who call themselves christian are sometimes the worst people around!

I speak from experience with demons and drugs, separately and in combination. Most people consider demons to be scheming mischievous spirits hell-bent on using temptation, lies, etc. to undermine one's life and wreak havoc....oh much like the devil did to job.

This is just not the case. To make my point I would ask you how you discern the nature of a spiritual entity you encounter? Is it a demon or an angel? Is it the impression you get? The 'feel' of the spirit?

If a demon has that power to lie skillfully with it's presence how would trust your perception? Your feeling? Do you think you could not be fooled? How do you determine whether or not other people are lying? Logic and observation...emotion almost always runs counter to detecting a lie from someone we are all too familiar with.

I do believe in a thing called the spirit realm,where there are good and bad equally. I am no expert, but I believe that there are evil entities(demonic) and that they do what they can to persuade all of human kind and to make their lives harder. I think that we all have some kind of "hidden perception" and that we can feel whether something is harmful in nature. We may not be correct all the time (we are humans,lol), but it is in use to discern (some more than others).



Much agreed. I think what I'm really trying to say is how I'm sick of an institution judging people, or worse, pitying them. Using fantastic personifications to do so.

The thing is just that these personification are present in the teachings of the religions and while people know what the book says they're completely unware of the psychic impact of the history of what has been done in this 'war' of 'good vs. evil'...

I agree. I think the church is a joke,it is so full of people who think if they dress up, show up, socialize, and give a few bucks, that they are better than the average "non christian" person. They use the church building as a means of building themselves up, or just to say they go (because it is the respectable thing to do). Their heart is not in it! I think it is sad, that is why I stopped. I am not a christian as the world knows them, I am merely a believer. I do not push it on anyone,and to be honest sometimes I struggle to believe at all. I honestly just want to believe,and really, i do think God is real, just distant at times. Why? it could be my own sinful nature that clouds my eyes from being able to see him? Who knows,lol. No one can prove God is real, nobody can prove he is not real either?? It does not have to make sense,it just is.

In fact...it's a lot like the war on drugs...moreso than most realise...

Using logic one realises that what was once evil is now good and what once once good is now evil.
I think that what was truly evil in the beginning,is still evil now,we just call it something else.
So again, please forgive my anti-establishment paradigm and understand I wasn't trying to attack you.

It is all good. I like talking to you bud! Peace!

[RoboCodeine7610]

Could we get back on topic though?Shadow people?motherlove, you say you saw shadow people in that room, could you describe them in more detail?Also has anyone else experienced this phenomenon?Please post your experiences, as I am very interested in this subject.

[motherlove1973]

I did not see shadow "people", only blurry unshaped masses that seemed to be darting at the people who were in the room with me. I have a friend who is a big Meth user and HE said that he see's human forms of dark like shadow people who walk all around him.He told me one time,one of the shadow people took this(green,glow in the dark) crucifix I gave him off of his door and threw it across the room. I am not sure if it true or not, but it is weird that a lot of Meth users that he knows see the same.

Maybe(in my opinion of course), the "shadow people" are a particular demon that is assigned to Crystal Meth. I mean they could be attached to toher drugs also, but I think Meth is the shadow mens drug of choice.

[RoboCodeine7610]

Maybe(in my opinion of course), the "shadow people" are a particular demon that is assigned to Crystal Meth. I mean they could be attached to toher drugs also, but I think Meth is the shadow mens drug of choice.

Nah, it would make more sense to think one of two things:

1-Shadow people only exist in our heads, and are often a product of "speed psychosis" which is why meth users see them so often

or

2-Methamphetamine and other drugs "tune" the brain into a state where it is easier to see these creatures,which to me, makes more sense because people have seen them while sober,on meth,on diphenhydramine,on psychedelics etc...

[motherlove1973]

Ok, both of those reasons you gave could be the explanation, but then again ,so could my answer. I think drugs to take us to another plane (god, swim wants to trip now,lol), on this plane we can see things that we deny ourselves of in the "norm". I am all up for seeing them now, and I think some can, I just do not know how to tap into it?

There are so many people who say ,"If you can not see it then it does not exist", and I think that is insane. If that was the case then when someone walks around the corner from you and you can not see them, they cease to exist...hmmmmmm.

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this is from CHARISMA, a christian mag. This is the stuff in the church today,lol

1. Deadly visitations. In some charismatic circles today, people are claiming to have spiritual experiences that involve communication with the dead. One Michigan pastor told me last week that some church leaders he knows promote this bizarre practice and base it on Jesus’ experience on the Mount of Transfiguration. The logic is that since Jesus talked to Moses and Elijah on the day He was glorified, this gives us permission to talk to dead Christians and our dead relatives.

Although little is said about these experiences from the pulpit (since the average believer is not ready to handle this “new revelation”), people in some streams of the prophetic movement are claiming to have visitations from Aimee Semple McPherson, William Branham, John Wimber or various Bible characters. And we are expected to say, “Ooooooo, that’s so deep”—and then go looking for our own mystical, beyond-the-grave epiphany. That is creepy. Communication with the dead was strictly forbidden in the Old Testament (see Deut. 18:11), and there is nothing in the New that indicates the rules were changed. Those who seek counsel from the dead—whether through mediums and séances or in “prophetic visions”—are taking a dangerous step toward demonization.

[cyndi]

Swim saw the shadow people again last night for the first time in a while. Swim's son died in the house and weird things are unexplained. Lights will flicker and surge and they never did it before. Swim went to a friends house he didn't like and all the garage lights burst, she was freaked. Swim's husband said he saw him laying by her on her bed while swim was asleep just for a moment. Swim feels he is worried about me and won't leave me for some reason. I don't know, very strange.

[maninaboat]

A Batman I No was on fairly heavy doses of insuflated K, it looked to him at the time as though shadowy figures were being jerked out of his friends bodies. Could these be the same as the ones your describing? Maybe they were entities no longer in the human bodies! A Batman I No didnt think much of it, possibly because he was K'd off his face.

"Turn on, tune in, and drop out”

[cyndi]

No these are different. They appear to be floating mostly around the ceiling. Swim has a lot of windows and they will float towards the windows usually. Very weird. Swim never did k so no that didn't do it. Before one thinks swim is a whacko, she hasn't had a lot of sleep lately so that could be it.

[oggy]

Its odd but sometimes I see invisible figures, (you know like the predator in its cloaking mode) I'm staying at my mothers house just now and sleeping on the fold out bed facing east, we have blinds but the street light still comes in and some nights when I can feel something small walking on the bed like a little puring cat, I can feel its vibration. But when I sit up and look at the orange street light coming through the blinds I can see a transparent shimmer of some taller figure like this but not in a jungle (obviously) normally in my bed living room. It will move from side to side and get closer and further away, its very odd indeed. I don't think its trying to harm me, its seems more like its observing my existence from another dimension.

Kind of like this but not as defined, more invisible but I defiantly feel its presence.



Ahh just a question, are these shadow people you guys are talking about more like dark figures than the transparent luminous ones SWIM has seen?

[sandoz1943]

Here is my friends story. Make of it what you will. I recently had an experience of my own with "shadow people" but have not finished analizing it yet and do not feel comfortable sharing it at this time.

My friend was at a party on about 1 gram of DXM. Two hours into the party the host decides party over everyone has to go. I received a call from a girl I don't know telling me My friend had to leave and wasn't able to drive (DUH) I tried to get directions but the girl was sketched out and told me he would be at the store and gave an intersection. I made her promise not to leave my friend alone and promise to take his car keys.
I drove to get him but the two streets the girl named run parallel so no intersection. I stopped at pay phone and tried to call. No answer. After 1/2 hr of searching I found said store with my friends car and keys in the ignition. No friend. Panic. Thought the cops had picked him up for sitting in his car in front of a closed business at 1 AM.
This was his story. He came to in his car with no one around.(great friends) he heard some one talking about him and turned to see two shadow people in the back seat. He described them as dark figures (no glowing eyes) with human shape and he said they did all appear to be wearing tall hats. They seemed pretty supprised he could see them. He asked who they were and they told him they were us but they didn't need bodies anymore and were not stuck in any time or place. They told him I was looking for him but couldn't find him and told him to go to the store and call my house. Friend explained he was too messed up to cross the road.
They led him across the road and told him to call. He explained he didn't have proper change just a twenty. He went in the store and bought some water but forgot to ask the guy to break a dollar for change. When he left the store they were angry with him and they rewound the whole thing and he was at the counter again with his twenty so he could get change. He called my house and asked my man to come get him.
I went home when I couldn't find my friend. My man and my friend arrived short time after. My friend told me he sat and talked with the shadow people but could only remember two thing they told him. They told him when he had a child he would die and that he should be careful when he encountered the bad thing. He has no idea what the bad thing is.

Drugs, lack of sleep, mental issue? Who knows. Just thought it was interesting enough to want to share it.

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[psychoshaman]

Originally Posted by sandoz1943

Here is my friends story. Make of it what you will. I recently had an experience of my own with "shadow people" but have not finished analizing it yet and do not feel comfortable sharing it at this time.

My friend was at a party on about 1 gram of DXM. Two hours into the party the host decides party over everyone has to go. I received a call from a girl I don't know telling me My friend had to leave and wasn't able to drive (DUH) I tried to get directions but the girl was sketched out and told me he would be at the store and gave an intersection. I made her promise not to leave my friend alone and promise to take his car keys.
I drove to get him but the two streets the girl named run parallel so no intersection. I stopped at pay phone and tried to call. No answer. After 1/2 hr of searching I found said store with my friends car and keys in the ignition. No friend. Panic. Thought the cops had picked him up for sitting in his car in front of a closed business at 1 AM.
This was his story. He came to in his car with no one around.(great friends) he heard some one talking about him and turned to see two shadow people in the back seat. He described them as dark figures (no glowing eyes) with human shape and he said they did all appear to be wearing tall hats. They seemed pretty supprised he could see them. He asked who they were and they told him they were us but they didn't need bodies anymore and were not stuck in any time or place. They told him I was looking for him but couldn't find him and told him to go to the store and call my house. Friend explained he was too messed up to cross the road.
They led him across the road and told him to call. He explained he didn't have proper change just a twenty. He went in the store and bought some water but forgot to ask the guy to break a dollar for change. When he left the store they were angry with him and they rewound the whole thing and he was at the counter again with his twenty so he could get change. He called my house and asked my man to come get him.
I went home when I couldn't find my friend. My man and my friend arrived short time after. My friend told me he sat and talked with the shadow people but could only remember two thing they told him. They told him when he had a child he would die and that he should be careful when he encountered the bad thing. He has no idea what the bad thing is.

Drugs, lack of sleep, mental issue? Who knows. Just thought it was interesting enough to want to share it.

what a trip
that's strange 'cause the first (and only time, to date) i took DXM i didn't see any "shadow people" (do see them alot coming down of amphet.) but i had "information" given to me like i was gently being taught... two things that were "said" that stay in my mind was (1) this is what people experience on the point of death (2) that people who have dementia "feel like this" which was the DXM trip which i am actually lost for words to describe...

Once i saw a couple hand in hand (these wern't classic shadow people 'cause they were in colour and detailed) in 19th century garb and they were sort of walking a couple of meters of the ground, not like they were floating or anything, but as if that's where their ground level was, the lady complete with parasol umbrella turned and looked in my direction smiled and then both of them faded from view...