Shadow People

[Euthanatos93420]

[psychoshaman]

question to all involved... Do swiyouse ever see them during the day?

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Originally Posted by RoboCodeine7610

So no one here thinks that shadow people are real?Does everyone think they're mere hallucinations?

they're real when my lab monkeys on amphets and i mean REAL

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Originally Posted by RoboCodeine7610

Hi, Swim just wanted to point out a phenomenon known as "Shadow people" which swim has experienced with and without drugs.Shadow people are like 3d shadows that have a humanoid shape but in most cases (like swim's case)
are seen as tiny 1/2 to 1 meter tall creatures with some kind of robe that covers their body and their head(like a raincoat).Swim saw the same type of creature twice, once when he was 10 (obviously without any drugs) and once when he was 16 (on diphenhydramine) and doing some research he found out that a lot of people were seeing the same thing so swim wanted to know if any of swiy had a similar experience and if so please post it.

wow... the ones old lab monkey has be seeing are hunched over scrawny fucks movements are jerky and they always seem to be trying to hide or be discrete about their whereabouts, humanoid yes but definately not of this world, the last one to date was when monkey was taking a piss and right beside him the "shadow" appeared it had ears like well sorta like bats wings and it disappeared SLOWLY into the wall, at about the same rate as monkey was turning his head... monkeys brain thought "what the fuck" i've seen ugly short dwarf thingos aswell

[RoboCodeine7610]

So no one here thinks that shadow people are real?Does everyone think they're mere hallucinations?

[Euthanatos93420]

Originally Posted by RoboCodeine7610

So no one here thinks that shadow people are real?Does everyone think they're mere hallucinations?

I think they're 'real' and I've never seen one.

[psychoshaman]

Originally Posted by Euthanatos93420

I think they're 'real' and I've never seen one.

what's real?.. oh that's right, reality. didn't some one once say reality is an illusion caused by the lack of drugs and i'm hoping to god it wasn't tom cruise...

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Originally Posted by psychoshaman

what's real?.. oh that's right, reality. didn't some one once say reality is an illusion caused by the lack of drugs and i'm hoping to god it wasn't tom cruise...

i like your quote to by the way, we Have all done this before...

[psychoshaman]

Originally Posted by RoboCodeine7610

So no one here thinks that shadow people are real?Does everyone think they're mere hallucinations?

what do you think my friend... 'cause my eyes TELL me they're real, and we are led/fed to believe that our eyes are one of the most perceptive senses, yet they can be tricked, for instance ... we see the sun RISE yet it does not rise at all... that's why old lab monkey uses drugs, cause he can and will bend the fabric of reality... it's a hard one to figure... could they be intra-dimensional beings of some sort, have never been able to communicate with any it's like they shun away when seen and if it is lab monkeys own "mind/self..whatever... shit what the hell does that mean???

[Euthanatos93420]

LOL@TC

Reality is certainly subjective.

[Euthanatos93420]

Even if they are just a hallucination that is no reason to discard them as scientifically insignificant. In fact, that they appear consistantly dicates that they are either real or a real function of the brain. This makes them extremely scientifically significant and worth studying seriously.

[psychoshaman]

Originally Posted by Euthanatos93420

Even if they are just a hallucination that is no reason to discard them as scientifically insignificant. In fact, that they appear consistantly dicates that they are either real or a real function of the brain. This makes them extremely scientifically significant and worth studying seriously.

all good my friend and i understand we are after all human beings being human, that is some amazing stuff, i see that you've thought about this "stuff" (for the sake of a better word) alot, read ya post, i must say my hearts still beating... now i guess it's a matter of connecting the dots (how bloody many are there) it's funny how i'm here at the mo... it's good to be amongst all you ruminators...

[RoboCodeine7610]

Even if they are just a hallucination that is no reason to discard them as scientifically insignificant. In fact, that they appear consistantly dicates that they are either real or a real function of the brain. This makes them extremely scientifically significant and worth studying seriously.

Yes, I totally agree.But by real I mean outside our heads, like being actually there and not being an illusion caused by our brains.

[psychoshaman]

here's something old lab monkey would like to add... RE:amphets take you to a dark place...

monkey with thumbs noticed something with the use/abuse of amphets, now this applies to monkey because it was FOR monkey only and it took tha monkey along time to realise this, that's because as smart as monkey thinks he is he's a bit of a slow learner hee hee...

amphets caused fear and anxiety within the monkey... hence the dark places, this was something the monkey had to learn even when he wondered WHY he was still doing these somewhat nasty drugs... yet continued to use them, monkey never had any light and shiny experiences coming down of these sustsances and wondered why always dark?-- Fear and anxiety-- Now one might wonder "why would one subject oneself to such a thing" (the primate with the big eyes wonders why too!) all i know is amphets was the tool to experience these sets of emotions and quite possibly it manifested for a short time in the world as monkey knows it, maybe that's exactly what it was --fear manifested-- now monkey knows there is no fear in love...

monkey is still learning...

[Euthanatos93420]

Swim never experienced mankey's fear on amphetamines after two months of fairly consistent usage. Although he never had any week long binges (Four or five days of sleeplessness at most). He did experience one bought of extreme paranoia about the tweaker dope cult that he later confirmed was in fact real although perhaps some of the possibilities he considered the depth and directness of possibly weren't he doesn't even consider them irrational considerations even to this day (three years later). That may have been due to an accumulation of evidence and may also have been from doing a shitload of meth at once (Well...2 smoked in a sitting was for him anyway). Still many correlating events could have been coincidence but some of them certainly were not.

That fucked up game they play is the reason he quit meth. Nothing to do with the actual drug itself really. And Paranoia=/=Fear. Swim knew they were after him...he just didn't give a shit because he knew running wouldn't make a difference and that they didn't really want to get him, they were just wanting to see him run. It was a head game those fuckers played.

[Routemaster Flash]

Psychoshaman, on the point about eyes telling you the truth/'seeing is believing': it's worth pointing out that eyes don't 'see' anything at all, they're just unthinking lumps of jelly and whatnot which send impulses to your BRAIN which then decides what to make of them. If something unusual is happening in your visual cortex, you're going to 'see' unusual things...

[Euthanatos93420]

I think he was being metaphorical. Hallucinations or otherwise do not occur in eyeballs anyway.

[RoboCodeine7610]

Swiy would be surprised at the things swim has seem while straight. It scares swim a bit really.

Well tell us about it.I'd be really interested to hear these kind of things, and could you explain in more detail what happened with the exorcism?

[motherlove1973]

In my past I was involved in a lot of different types of "witchraft",everything from the satanic to wiccan type.I had done the blood pact,drugs, weird sexual stuff,etc. I also was into really dark, gothic stuff when I was younger. I was molested as a youth and just had a lot of rocky stuff in my life, to which I "rebeled against. When I started to go to church there was this lady that kind of took me under her wing and she told me how her and her husband had gotten "delivered" from demonic beings who somehow attach themselves to people when they do the things I have mentioned above. The church we went to was not into the deliverance thing at all and thought it was crazy,so I started looking into some other churches and found a lot of really mystical type Christian churches around the state I live(VA,) and online. My friend set up an appointment with this church in NC. that did deliverances every week, the pastor there is actually really nice, he goes to places all over the world and does this.He actually goes to battle against shamans and witchdoctors in tribes all over. Some of the stories he has told would freak youout(if you want I can pm you and give you his name,he was working on a book)He was an engineeer before becoming a pastor and made millions,but felt like God wanted him to stop and help others to become free from torment. We went down to the church in NC. for the weekend and I stayed with this nice old lady who claimed to be able to see demons on people. She would yell in the middle of the night for some evil "imp" to get out of her house,lol,and it freaked me out.The church there is awesome,bongos and really deep spiritual music,almost trace like.I ended up going in this little room with Pastor Tom,My friend and her hubby for 12 hours and confessing and renouncing any and all of the sin in my life,forgiving people who had hurt me, and then it came time to cast those fuckers out. I am not lying when I tell you that the room grew dark(mid-day), it was like this big grey cloud sunk into the room that only I could see,I started seeing these swirling,blurry shapes flying all aound the room at everyones heads,I even at one time yelled at the pastor because his voice changed into a growl.It was really wild and exhausting.I wanted to run out of there so fast and at times tried,I cursed at them a bit, zoned outr into a daze where I could not hear or talk, and at the end almost threw up and passed out. This happens a lot in this type of church,it is so normal and I am so interested in it. I stopped going to church a few months after,they say that once a demon leaves he will return as soon as you fuck up and sin and not repent.You have to keep your house clean,if not he will return 7fold and you will be worse than before.I think that must be what happened to me,I did not keep it clean and they came back.I am far worse(drugwise) after what happened. I am not sure if I totally believe that deliverance works, but I have seen people with serious addiction to even heroin, just stop after,no withdrawel or anything.There is a lot I have left out, but if you really want to know anything just ask. I would love to go undercover with some people,even nonbelievers(I am in between at the moment myself) and have someone go through this and document it,it is truly wild.

[Lamb]

I have never witnessed this but I find it fasinating. All of those possible explanations could be true IMO. I just have a problem with the glowing red eyes part. If something was standing in front of me with glowing red eyes long enough for me to look at it I'd say hello, or wave at it, and then try and rugby tackle it so I could bum it! Who knows what delights could be in store?

[motherlove1973]

yeah, you never know. I am really afraid of the demonic, have been since a child and I do not come from a religious family at all. I was told that my imaginary friends sally and hHarry were demonic in nature, so I guess I was just marked for harassment from the get go,lol. If you are into it all, just look up deliverance, and maybe even look into some of the more mystical christian churches. I suggest looking up "glory Dust",Angelic visitation, and look for this guy named Derek Prince, he is dead now but ws a leader in the deliverance. Also there is a book called "Pigs in the Parlor", by Frank Hammond that will blow your mind. There is plenty online And if you get a chance, look up this guy named JAy BArtlett, he is a Pastor in Texas who almost had me talked into coming out there. He gets down,really loud casting out there.He has a website on line, so check him out for a good story.

[Lamb]

Originally Posted by motherlove1973

yeah, you never know. I am really afraid of the demonic, have been since a child and I do not come from a religious family at all. I was told that my imaginary friends sally and hHarry were demonic in nature, so I guess I was just marked for harassment from the get go,lol. If you are into it all, just look up deliverance, and maybe even look into some of the more mystical christian churches. I suggest looking up "glory Dust",Angelic visitation, and look for this guy named Derek Prince, he is dead now but ws a leader in the deliverance. Also there is a book called "Pigs in the Parlor", by Frank Hammond that will blow your mind. There is plenty online And if you get a chance, look up this guy named JAy BArtlett, he is a Pastor in Texas who almost had me talked into coming out there. He gets down,really loud casting out there.He has a website on line, so check him out for a good story.

Do those books help you or make your fear worse? No religious person could make me feel inferior to them in terms of who should be afraid of evil/who is the more evil etc. If anyone needs to live their life by how THEY interpret a holy book then they are the ones with a problem IMO. People can excuse their worst evil acts thanks to some excuse in the bible or whatever.

[RoboCodeine7610]

I have never witnessed this but I find it fasinating. All of those possible explanations could be true IMO. I just have a problem with the glowing red eyes part. If something was standing in front of me with glowing red eyes long enough for me to look at it I'd say hello, or wave at it, and then try and rugby tackle it so I could bum it! Who knows what delights could be in store?

Try offering them some drugs, they might pay you back by giving cool powers!

In my past I was involved in a lot of different types of "witchraft",everything from the satanic to wiccan type.I had done the blood pact,drugs, weird sexual stuff,etc. I also was into really dark, gothic stuff when I was younger. I was molested as a youth and just had a lot of rocky stuff in my life, to which I "rebeled against. When I started to go to church there was this lady that kind of took me under her wing and she told me how her and her husband had gotten "delivered" from demonic beings who somehow attach themselves to people when they do the things I have mentioned above.

The church we went to was not into the deliverance thing at all and thought it was crazy,so I started looking into some other churches and found a lot of really mystical type Christian churches around the state I live(VA,) and online. My friend set up an appointment with this church in NC. that did deliverances every week, the pastor there is actually really nice, he goes to places all over the world and does this.He actually goes to battle against shamans and witchdoctors in tribes all over. Some of the stories he has told would freak youout(if you want I can pm you and give you his name,he was working on a book)

He was an engineeer before becoming a pastor and made millions,but felt like God wanted him to stop and help others to become free from torment. We went down to the church in NC. for the weekend and I stayed with this nice old lady who claimed to be able to see demons on people. She would yell in the middle of the night for some evil "imp" to get out of her house,lol,and it freaked me out.The church there is awesome,bongos and really deep spiritual music,almost trace like.I ended up going in this little room with Pastor Tom,My friend and her hubby for 12 hours and confessing and renouncing any and all of the sin in my life,forgiving people who had hurt me, and then it came time to cast those fuckers out.

I am not lying when I tell you that the room grew dark(mid-day), it was like this big grey cloud sunk into the room that only I could see,I started seeing these swirling,blurry shapes flying all aound the room at everyones heads,I even at one time yelled at the pastor because his voice changed into a growl.It was really wild and exhausting.I wanted to run out of there so fast and at times tried,I cursed at them a bit, zoned outr into a daze where I could not hear or talk, and at the end almost threw up and passed out. This happens a lot in this type of church,it is so normal and I am so interested in it. I stopped going to church a few months after,they say that once a demon leaves he will return as soon as you fuck up and sin and not repent.

You have to keep your house clean,if not he will return 7fold and you will be worse than before.I think that must be what happened to me,I did not keep it clean and they came back.I am far worse(drugwise) after what happened. I am not sure if I totally believe that deliverance works, but I have seen people with serious addiction to even heroin, just stop after,no withdrawel or anything.There is a lot I have left out, but if you really want to know anything just ask. I would love to go undercover with some people,even nonbelievers(I am in between at the moment myself) and have someone go through this and document it,it is truly wild.

Could you be more specific as to what you did?And did the room actually go dark in an unexplainable way or could it have been them triying to impress you?Where there people watching?And did you ever accomplish anything through "whichcraft"? Just curious.

P.S Try making your posts more readable, I realize you have no edit function so I did it for you.

Robo

[motherlove1973]

Sorry for the sloppiness of my posts,it is hard to focus when a 4 yr. old is singing in your ear,lol.When we did this, I was in a room where there was a huge window. The room was not really "dark", but more cloudy and grey. It was if a big gray cloud of smoke filled the room.It was nothing that anyone in that room could of done to of made that happen.

As far as the withcraft I did, I have to say that I did see results. I was sort of a self styled witch. In the beginning I did mainly darker, more of the black type of witchcraft. I did things with Blood a lot, mine and animal blood. I even had some freaky sex with an ex in a kiddie pool full of blood one time as part of my little ritual. I really have to admit that looking back I was just a little freak who liked kinky shit,lol. My results (which can not be proven) were things like getting the guy I wanted, fucking up my stepdads health and eventually his death, and the ability to read certain peoples thoughts and motives.

I did a lot of stupid stuff as a yound girl and I am not proud of some of it, but I am really interested in anything supernatural. I am not into the evil shit anymore, but according to the church All of it is evil,even wicca. I now get really good results with pendulums, and am going to try to get into the tarot. What about you? Whats some good freaky stuff you have done?

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I agree. The books did freak me out and at one point i was unable to sleep because of the paralyzing fear of the demonic that would hit me after reading at night. I was brainwashed, and I am the last person who I thought that could happen to. I guess when people have no hope that the bible gives them something to hope in, and when you go to church 2-3 times a week to be with the "nice people who want to help you", you begin to believe anything they say to fit in.

I struggle now with the church as a whole because of the way the people act in the church. I think God is real, but I hate his church and I think he is not happy with it either.

[Lamb]

I have never done anything like you mention but I'd bet my life that anything you did would not have had any effect or power over anyone elses life. (so don't worry about that) It would be very wrong if you could get the guy you wanted just by doing spells and shit! And using the blood of animals is sick, sorry.

I didn't mean that you are sick, just that I find cutting animals sick, sorry! I understand you weren't even talking to me but I got my opinion in anyway. I hope it didn't upset you.

[motherlove1973]

Oh, I do not do that shit anymore. I do not condone anything that I did I was just being honest when asked about. I do not think that the shit I did was really all influencing over people, but I have to admit that at the time..............I thought I was a bad little witchy bitch.I do believe there is a power that we as humans possess, but I am not sure exactly how we are to use it. I do not claim to be some supremely knowledged person in the area of the supernatural. I was just telling my weirdo story.

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I have heard that every time one does drugs that they open a portal to the demonic. Just a thought.

[Lamb]

You can be my bad little witchy bitch Well I'd say that everytime a person does something evil it's more likely attract demons or whatever. Those nutty religious freaks who collapse when touched by even more nutty religious gimps, as if healed of all ills, are born with the strongest drugs pumping through their veins (imo.) Fuck them and all they stand for I say

[motherlove1973]

Wow, I would love to be,lol. I have to say that although I am not into that scene anymore that I find it to be very erotic for me. Something about having some evil looking man rough housing me(just a bit) just gets me excited. Call it what you will but I think it is hott!

I have been to a church where they get "slain or drunk in the spirit" and fall out or act like they are just shit faced. I dfo not think it is edifying, but I found it more fun than regular,quiet old boring church,lol. They stagger around, run into walls, talk jibberish, and bark like dogs while laughing their asses off iright in the middle of a sermon. I love it! It is really a cheap date there,lol. It is like a free comedy club. I mean to see little old grandmother types rolling around barking,damn life don't get no better than that.