Shadow People

[RoboCodeine7610]

Originally Posted by nate81

I wonder if it would be possible to recreate situations where the shadow people have appeared and attempt communication or other interaction.

Good idea, only that not many people would have the balls to do so (swim doesn't)

[Desertfox]

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ht=judge+floro

The above link is a previous thread posted about a philipino judge that was fired basing some decisions based on the consultations from these dwarfs made of shadow and light.

[amadeusstoner]

My pet lizard has never seen a shadow person. In fact he and I haven't even heard of the existence of such things before, but strangely enough just recently I remember my pet lizard giving me an account of an experience his friend had 2 weeks ago that was passed off as nothing, but since viewing this thread he thinks that the said experience might have been an encounter with a shadow person.

Anyway, the story goes as my pet lizard has narrated it to me:

"One of my friends was sitting comfortably in his living room watching T.V. He was about to drift off into sleep when he claims he saw something like the shadow of a human move quickly across the room followed by an intense inner feeling of fear. It scared him so much that he ran outside and stayed outside for about 30 minutes. After that he finally was able to calm himself down, go back inside and eventually fall asleep."

My pet lizard said that this is weird because this particular friend of his is not prone to being frightened easily and is not superstitious in the least. Apparently this person hasn't had a similar experience ever in his life, before or after this one.

[RoboCodeine7610]

wow, pretty interesting.And, was that really the judge?? or was it just some guy pretending to be him? if it WAS him, I wonder why he was banned...

[Desertfox]

I do believe it was the real judge, but he was banned for self-promoting his case on the forums and not following the rules in general

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Originally Posted by RoboCodeine7610

Please, describe it in more detail.

after taking the hit SWIM's consciousness broke into a bunch of pieces and reality swirled out of awareness. at this point it felt as if swim had passed a membrane of sorts and ascended(or descended, swim isn't sure) into some other realm. this realm felt more real than our reality and ours was actually a small part of this higher dimension. but it also felt that it was inhabited by other beings that acted as guards and when spotted immediately came over to swim. At the same time the guards seemed angry that swim was seeing this realm, they were congratulating him and asking questions such as 'where have you been man?' it was very strange to have those very opposing feelings enter swim's head at the same time. before swim could establish any meaningful communication with the entities swim was pulled back down to reality wondering if the past few seconds had even occured to him.

[Pino]

Swim isn't the most spiritual guy, but on n2o trips he experienced many spirit and godlike creatures. Most of them were too strange and to inhuman to be called malevolent or good. He didn't like any of them much. Although he had an interesting conversation with one of the more powerful (there was some kind of hierarchy). The most strange one was a very small and old woman with black hair and a very high pitched voice which told swim to sit down where other people were, so he could be 'initiated'. She moved with a blue fabric over the other participants. First swim just stayed there sitting still, but suddenly he realized he didn't want to be 'initiated' - Swim was having a constant fight with the entities because he had to choose sides, which he didn't want.- He got up and poof he was back in reality, sitting in the middle of his room.

Later while on zolpidem and smoking salvia, he saw her sitting in the middle of the room looking very very angry. Swim just asked politely what the problem was and who she was, but she didn't react. -Swim didn't realize he was on drugs- Swim studied her for a while and then he saw she was his plant.

[RoboCodeine7610]

Wow, those are some pretty spiritual experiences...It's crazy what psychedelics can do.

[RoboCodeine7610]

SWIM took 30 25 mg benny tabs

I just hope I read it wrong...You're not talking about 750 MG OF DIPHENHYDRAMINE RIGHT!!??
Cause if you are, then I hope i'm not talking to a ghost...
750mg is a CRAZY dose!
If I got that right, then I must tell you that swim is really impressed...Could you please write a trip report on the diphenhydramine forum and post a link here?
I think that's gonna be a hell of a story (what you can remember, anyways).
Robo

[Euthanatos93420]

Originally Posted by RoboCodeine7610

I just hope I read it wrong...You're not talking about 750 MG OF DIPHENHYDRAMINE RIGHT!!??
Cause if you are, then I hope i'm not talking to a ghost...
750mg is a CRAZY dose!
If I got that right, then I must tell you that swim is really impressed...Could you please write a trip report on the diphenhydramine forum and post a link here?
I think that's gonna be a hell of a story (what you can remember, anyways).
Robo

I think he's talking about benzodiazapines (i.e. Xanax etc.) which is enough to kill someone. Which might be why he hasn't responded. Anyhow. your description of the "Shadow People" you encountered sound remarkably a LOT like the ones described by Jeremy Vanaei in his book "I know why the aliens don't land." I have the PDF I'm going to go take a look at it and see if I can't upload it into the archives otherwise PM me if you're interested and I can tell you where you can get a copy free.

His explanation has to do with holes in the ego and such. In my experience and analysis it seems similar to what schitzophrenics experience. A metaphor of repressed information perceived visually.

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interesting, the holes in the ego thing...

[h3artshapedb0x]

Originally Posted by RoboCodeine7610

I just hope I read it wrong...You're not talking about 750 MG OF DIPHENHYDRAMINE RIGHT!!??
Cause if you are, then I hope i'm not talking to a ghost...
750mg is a CRAZY dose!
If I got that right, then I must tell you that swim is really impressed...Could you please write a trip report on the diphenhydramine forum and post a link here?
I think that's gonna be a hell of a story (what you can remember, anyways).
Robo

Yes you read right SWIM personally didnt think it was that big a dose based on erowids report ld50 (50% lethal dose) in rats was 500mg and humans being much bigger then rats could handle 750mg+ but SWIM could definatly be very wrong and would love to know if he is hes always wanted to post a dip' report but never had the time until now the link is http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...696#post494696 written especially for you robo hope you enjoy it even though SWIM couldnt remember some of it but he does remember the best part more reports to come too some are just as crazy and some are alot crazier SWIM accually used to like this stuff and would use it whenever he didnt have weed or something else to get fucked up on always offered a incredible experience but the side effects are a bit much in my opinion putting it lightly peace out and may you always be safe

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Originally Posted by euthanatos93420

I think he's talking about benzodiazapines (i.e. Xanax etc.) which is enough to kill someone. Which might be why he hasn't responded. Anyhow. your description of the "Shadow People" you encountered sound remarkably a LOT like the ones described by Jeremy Vanaei in his book "I know why the aliens don't land." I have the PDF I'm going to go take a look at it and see if I can't upload it into the archives otherwise PM me if you're interested and I can tell you where you can get a copy free.

His explanation has to do with holes in the ego and such. In my experience and analysis it seems similar to what schitzophrenics experience. A metaphor of repressed information perceived visually.

Wow dude if SWIM took 750mg of xanax he would DEFINATLY be dead thats like 375 bars lol SWIM will definatly have to read that book SWIY is talking about and SWIM definatly felt schitzophrenic during his diphenhydramine experiences thats for sure peace out dude id love to obtain a copy of that book especially for free please if you dont mind thanks
peace

[sylenth]

been thinking of trying the ouija board again & came across this site with stories from using the ouija board. they seem pretty true, believable & scary. found this story whilst reading some stories of what sounds just like these shadow people, red eyes & pointy heads etc...

here's the link & article....http://paranormal.about.com/library/...uary05_32.html

This happened about 7 years ago. I walked into the bedroom that I shared with my youngest daughter and my handicapped daughter.
This happened in the middle of the day. But our bedroom is dark.

I walked into the bedroom. I saw that something was on top of my handicapped daughter's chest. It looked like the face was touching my daughter's face. It turned and looked at me. It had red eyes. It looked like a picture I have seen of an alien. It was totally black, except the eyes. It was squatting on my handicapped daughter's chest. Its head was a triangle and its arms were pointed. It didn't have fingers. The legs were bent.

I screamed STOP! It jumped like Spiderman from my oldest daughter's bed to the wall, to the foot of my youngest daughter's bed, then down to the floor.

My son, Dustin (18 at the time) walked into the room behind me in time to see this thing. He moved out of the way so it could go past him, to go out of the room. He said, "What was that!" I was freaking and saying, "You did see that, right?" It scared me and him very much. I asked my youngest daughter, my son's twin, "Did you see that?" She said, "Yes, I see that all the time. It follows me everywhere I go."

I said, "Destiny, why didn't you say something?" She said, "I didn't think you would believe me." She and a friend of hers had tried to cast spells for fun and played the Ouija board. And ever since then, it wouldn't go away.

We moved. So far so good.

also a link with a picture what appears to be a dark figure in a robe.http://paranormal.about.com/od/ghostphotos/ig/Best-Ghost-Photos/Specter-of-Newby-Church.htm

[nate81]

whoa, crazy story sylenth. I bet the people who bought the house after you got a surprise visitor!

[humdroid]

On a speed comedown, in the old wooded area outside Y's window, Y saw about eight big fat rolly polly shadow people doing aeorobics.
It was about 4am, that really quiet dead bit of the night.

[Panthers007]

Bongo would take the time and analyze the apparition and try to find out what it was there to represent at the time. The image of Death on horseback is a classic symbol. But what did it mean at this time and place? If Bongo didn't try to analyze it, he might get spooked by it and interpreted it's meaning from a common social base: You're gonna die, Monkey!" And swear off the stuff.

Bongo is glad he's analytical.

[purplehaze]

Which swearing off dxm is a very good idea in my opinion. Anytime someone starts to believe anything that happened in a trip of any type its a good time for that person to stop and realise whats going on in life and it was just a trip.

The human mind can be a very scary place, I also believe this is due to it being your mind you tinkering with, your fears you dealing with, and unknowing that under the influence hallucinations can be the scariest thing you've ever seen, simply because they are your minds fears. What ever you see in a trip, hallucinating, w/e, know that it's your own head that's fucking with you, and when you start to buy into it, which forming from your mind its hard not to, you start to engage your fear instinct and only get more fear. Kind of like when your already jumpy and a mouse runs across the room or similiar were it scares you. Well believing in ghost and all this has the same effect, you get into that ewww (wind blowing scary noise) type feeling and it only gets worse. Best if some people never experiment with drugs that make you trip or hallucinate.

Sometimes i wish i could just let people into my head for a second, and then they would be like Oh, shit your right that makes since. But thats impossible.

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good information as always

[sylenth]

a person should'nt take any visual manifestation too seriously when experiencing it on substances, especially when off the substances...

good effort in trying to get the most out of their experience though. 10/10.

most rational explanation is that it's all in your head, just like the dreams a person has that can mostly be interpretted, if one thinks carefully about them relating to the point & situation in their life they at one will realise.

it's funny, the mind is a powerful & amazing thing, people know this yet they get ahead of them selves. ca'nt blame them because at the same time it is difficult knowing how powerful the mind is, many people believe that anything is possible & many believe they are 'in contact' with some thing ie: the holy spirit, aliens, universal consciousness etc...it's hard to find a balance in this amazing life which blows our minds daily.

respect to all & their beliefs from my side, i know where the critical rational factual thinkers are coming from & i know where the mystical people are coming from.

most can be classed as delusions & some ca'nt. safest is to not believe too much in what you see in drug induced states of consciousness but stick to your beliefs as that's what makes your world exciting. naturally one should be prepared for a lot of skeptism & not oblivious to the probable explanations to the experiences...

there's even a saying 'the shadows in your mind' perhaps related?

personally i ca'nt wait to experience these shadow people cos i wanna communicate with them, since everyone on this thread are pussys & are too scared too. unfortunetly smurf only sees colourful fractals. perhaps i get abducted one day & experimented on by them if i'm lucky.

Seeing the Illusion

The human brain is an absolutely fascinating organ. Science has yet to even touch the surface of understanding is capabilities. One of the most incredible things it does is cause us to see things that aren't really there. The brain does not like a void. If something is missing and our brains think it should be there, then it will make it up for us so that we can see it. It tries to fill in the empty space with what it thinks should be there. There are many optical illusion books and websites that demonstrate this. so our imaginations & influences from people & example the media all influence our minds.

These optical illusions demonstrate two very important points about art. The first point is that art itself is an optical illusion. the ability everyone has as an artist is to create an image that will cause the viewers' brains to fill in the gaps and make something complete. You are not working in three dimensions; you are working in two dimensions. But when people look at things their brains will force them to see the art as three dimensional. They will picture actual objects they can relate to their in their real world.

The second point that optical illusions demonstrates is that we don't always see what we think we are seeing. you must be able to see the reality behind all things, not just what your own brain tells you exists.

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a interesting article from wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow-work

In Jungian psychology, the shadow or "shadow aspect" is a part of the unconscious mind consisting of repressed weaknesses, shortcomings, and instincts. It is one of the three most recognizable archetypes, the others being the anima and animus. "Everyone carries a shadow," Jung wrote, "and the less it is embodied in the individual's conscious life, the blacker and denser it is." [1] It may be (in part) one's link to more primitive animal instincts,[2] which are superseded during early childhood by the conscious mind.

According to Jung, the shadow, in being instinctive and irrational, is prone to project: turning a personal inferiority into a perceived moral deficiency in someone else. Jung writes that if these projections are unrecognized "The projection-making factor (the Shadow archetype) then has a free hand and can realize its object--if it has one--or bring about some other situation characteristic of its power." [3] These projections insulate and cripple individuals by forming an ever thicker fog of illusion between the ego and the real world.

Jung also believed that "in spite of its function as a reservoir for human darkness—or perhaps because of this—the shadow is the seat of creativity."[4]

[edit] Appearance
The shadow may appear in dreams and visions in various forms, often as a feared or despised person or being, and may act either as an adversary or as a servant. It typically has the same apparent gender as one's persona. It is possible that it might appear with dark features to a person of any race, since it represents a distant and indiscriminate aspect of the mind. The shadow's appearance and role depend greatly on the living experience of the individual, because much of the shadow develops in the individual's mind rather than simply being inherited in the collective unconscious (but see description of layers below).

Interactions with the shadow in dreams may shed light on one's state of mind. A conversation with the shadow may indicate that one is concerned with conflicting desires or intentions. Identification with a despised figure may mean that one has an unacknowledged difference from the character; a difference which could point to a rejection of the illuminating qualities of ego-consciousness. These examples refer to just two of many possible roles that the shadow may adopt, and are not general guides to interpretation.

''Also, it can be difficult to identify characters in dreams, so that a character who seems at first to be a shadow might represent some other complex instead.''

( i know recently ROBOCODEINE described a dream in a thread he created describing having these shadow beings in his dream, the last paragraph above seems to give a rational explanation to this phenomenan)

Jung also made the suggestion of there being more than one layer making up the shadow. The top layers contain the meaningful flow and manifestations of direct personal experiences. These are made unconscious in the individual by such things as the change of attention from one thing to another, simple forgetfulness, or a repression. Underneath these idiosyncratic layers, however, are the archetypes which form the psychic contents of all human experiences. Jung described this deeper layer as "a psychic activity which goes on independently of the conscious mind and is not dependent even on the upper layers of the unconscious - untouched, and perhaps untouchable - by personal experience" (Campbell, 1971). This bottom layer of the shadow is also what Jung referred to as the collective unconscious.

According to Jung, the shadow sometimes overwhelms a person's actions; for example, when the conscious mind is shocked, confused, or paralyzed by indecision.

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good information

[enhancion01]

LOL swim knows it was not real just when looking at it while it happened he was completly gone. The hallucination only lasted a few minutes and he laughed and went on to the next visual... was just not expecting to see death ride up on him... swim accually was worried he overdosed but was unkowingly at his weight limit.... (swim redosed 2 times during his trip ) swim has found he enjoys the tree people and shadow people on meth much better. Swim loved driving around all spun out seeing tons of people hanging out on the side of the road at 3 am lol....

On that note swim finally saw the guys with flashlights in the woods... swim sais that was crazy... swims shadow people usually are either standing still or just dark shadows moving threw the night.... swim sais that time the people were moving about (riding bikes etc) swim saw a shadow of a dune buggy that took up 3 lanes on the highway. was great till swim went into paranoid psychosis and his hallucinations were playing off his delusions. swim then made himself sleep.

Oh and BTW swim has tried to interact with the shadow people/animals and they always just dissapere when he gets too close. Swim sais you need extream deprivation for them to interact. Swim found shining a flashlight on them makes them go away. Though when swim shines that light it makes forms play off stuff he couldent see before.

Its just Swims brain tricking him from lack of sleep. its funny when he is like "those" are real... then turn out to be some garbage cans sitting on the side of the road, cuz they looked real as hell till he gets close. Swim LOVES IT, he sais its the best part of the high lol nothing has ever really made him panic or anything cuz he knows its not real. Swims GF though will panic and get anxiaty attacks after about 7-8 days and flip out... she cant handle the visuals very well + she is bipolar and crazy anyways. Swim will point at something to her and say "you see that guy standing over there?" and she will look and see it get pissed and go inside lol

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well done on trying to communicate with them. lol

[Euthanatos93420]

lmao Swiy is just mean enhancion. Sounds a lot like Swim when he's around dopers and spots their weaknesses. Particularily because, like Swiy, very little ever trip Swim out except other people loathing him for his drug use. This bothers swim but he is never uncomfortable just picking up and leaving no matter how hard he is dexin, trippin, or whatever. Swim never has any problem being high in public either he know beyond all doubt that he can talk to a cop that stops him for walking in the middle of the night just down the street peakin on a high 2nd plateau dex and the cop will never know a damn thing because swim knows he can maintain the appearance of perfect coherence.

Nothing Sketches Swim. He has always prided (haha...Jung/ego/pride) himself on being able to remain level headed and coherent despite his trips. Probably why he wants a 3rd/4th plat dose again and why he likes salvia. That just dissapears and he has NO CONTROL going bye bye! Still that loss of control is what has him chosing not to a whole year after the only 3rd/4th plat experience where he ended up sitting in someones driveway just slightly aware of what was going on but watching it through a little window on the other side of a dark room that he found himself in contemplating a strange nature of existence. It got him put in the hospital when the driveway owner called the cops on him because he could park his car and swim wasn't aware enough to do anything. Swim will NOT go for his lovely Dex walks when going for that 3rd/4th plateau again.

[humdroid]

Y sees these sometimes.
Y just thinks due to alterations in brain chemistry, etc, perceptual alterations can occur.
Y thinks the idea of 'ghosts' a bit 'halloween' but acknowledges the scientific (if un-acknowledged) concept of energy imprints, or psychic energy. Y thinks the so-called paranormal/supernatural come under this heading.

Y does not know for sure where shadow peple fit in to this.
Y is still learning, on this one.

[enhancion01]

Well last night swim was not even high just sleep deprivated, was seeing shit though, and when he turned his lights out to go to sleep he laid down looked down his bed and saw the bitch from The Ring crawling up his bed towards swim. That creeped swim the fuck out. That is not the one to see. Swim could see her pale face... black hair... pale arms... it was mind over matter but swim thought the wrong thought and thats what he saw.
Sleep deprivation is powerfull.

[Euthanatos93420]

Fucking wicked. Swim is jealous he has no visualizations ever after a week of sleep dep. Which he has plenty of experience with bein' all manic depressive n such.

Swim had a thought. Being as he is so self psychoanalytical Swim wonders if his subconscious really just leave visual metaphors alone since it knows that Swim would probably go far overboard with analysis much opposite of the way most people spend their time analyzing dreams.

[enhancion01]

Was wicked but was accually scary and swim had to turn his lights on even though he knew it wasent real. Swims reaction was more like (sees girl: "fuck that" gets out of bed and turns on light swim goes to watch some TV) was the stupidest shit to see, swim sais it wasent fun and wasent something he wants to see again lol. Swim thinks he was still in psychosis from smoking half an ounce of meth between six people during the week.

[Blu_berrytoke]

yes, shadow people exist. I grew up with shadows, every night one sits on the side of my bed, and 2 move around at the end of it. And during the day, they'll distract me so bad sometimes, that I'll fuck up an interview, or forget the point of what I was saying. I can never look at them though, they stay in the safety of darkness or peripherals. I honestly believe that they are beings of some kind, and they gravitate more strongly to certain people. I've only met one other person who had the same consistent problem, and she ended up being my g/f for a while.
From my experience, they're completely harmless, and don't do much except try to scare you, or bug you. I wouldn't write off what happened if you did see one, but don't worry or put too much stock in it. Maybe you just have a stronger gravity than others.

[discodave]

swim sees such things as a chemical reactions in your brains. swim finds the darwinian view of the universe to be arrogant and ignorant. swim believes science has yet to understand major laws of reality and will be finding them for a long time to come. if a scientist knew nothing of magnatism, science would define a formula to explain magnatim as a function of gravity, however complicated that function became.

swim think the scientists who think they know it all are as ignorant as the religious who do the same.

swim finds nothing in your ancedotal account to convince swim what you say is anything unusual in the field of science, but swim thinks idiots who say there was a big bang in a space that always was are similarly blinkered.

why is it so hard to say "we just don't understand, and this is our best and mostly educated guess"

but people need absolutes.

sorry to turn it into a religious rant, but this stuff belongs with religion.

this is all abstract and i don't buy it for a second. however, i don't find it anymore rediculous than a big bang theory.

yeah i'm sorry for my poor writing stile in this article but come on now, this whole deal is poor. what science knows should be treated as BEST GUESS not FACT and we would all move along a little faster.

and ghosts? any evidence not anecdotal? just cause you saw it doesn't make it real. i shot 40 monsters in quake, but they never happened. where do you exist right now?

this post wont make me popular but it is honest.

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Absolutely correct.

[herostyle]

When on a lot Dexamphetamine, SWIM has seen these shadow people, at least he think he has. But that also goes with not sleeping for 48 hours or more. Eyes start playing tricks on SWIM