Took some kratom, didn't do anything.

[the salmon thief]

I recently got an ounce of Bali kratom capsules, and took 5g for my first dose (first time doing kratom). It didn't do anything except maybe a very mild relaxing effect that I didn't even notice.

I've got around 17g left; should I take it all at once? I think I either have a high natural tolerance of this stuff, or this particular batch isn't very potent.

I'm looking at full spectrum extract tinctures for my next purchase. Would anyone recommend these? Also, when it says "suspended in pure grain alcohol", that's safe to just put in tea and drink, right?

[Durd1e]

It is definitely safe for someone to drink grain alcohol so long as they dont drink it by the cup full (its ethanol not methanol which would be more dangerous).

Did swiy eat before taking it? Eating, especially dairy produce, can really hamper the effects of kratom reducing a large dose to barely felt.

Also 5g of plain leaf is not much...perhaps next time swiy should consider taking about 8-10g.

A final consideration is the quality of the kratom itself...commercial, legal high brand type kratom is notoriously of poor quality (which is especially likely if it came in capsules). SWIY should consider buying ultra enhanced indo (uei) kratom and taking 1.5-2g or premium and the effects may be much better.

[the salmon thief]

Originally Posted by Durd1e

It is definitely safe for someone to drink grain alcohol so long as they dont drink it by the cup full (its ethanol not methanol which would be more dangerous).

Did swiy eat before taking it? Eating, especially dairy produce, can really hamper the effects of kratom reducing a large dose to barely felt.

Also 5g of plain leaf is not much...perhaps next time swiy should consider taking about 8-10g.

A final consideration is the quality of the kratom itself...commercial, legal high brand type kratom is notoriously of poor quality (which is especially likely if it came in capsules). SWIY should consider buying ultra enhanced indo (uei) kratom and taking 1.5-2g or premium and the effects may be much better.

I had eaten probably 3 hours before taking it.

I'll try 10g next time, on a completely empty stomach, and see how that goes.

[the salmon thief]

Well, SWIM decided to try again last night. SWIM took about 10g of the same Bali stuff on a completely empty stomach, and this time there were noticeable effects, but it still wasn't anything special. Some early euphoria that lasted a few seconds, crazy back-of-eyelid visuals, cottonball-headed numbness (which was nice), and a lot of balance/vision issues. None of these effects were very intense, although in retrospect I realise that SWIM was very relaxed and comfortable.

So, SWIM is going to jump to UEI and give that a try.

[enquirewithin]

5g of kratom is enough to get most people high even if it's average quality. 17g should be a recipe for nausea. Try 10g next.

Possibly it was not sourced from a good supplier.

[Alfa]

Switch to Bali Kratom? UEI kratom? Better switch supplier! *
Kratom leaf is active at 5 grams. Any kratom dose of more than 10 grams should give very intense effects.

* not meant as an invite for discussion of suppliers, which is not allowed.

[AceOvArts]

A lot of users report the "wobbly eyes" effect after taking poor quality Kratom (i.e. makes it difficult to focus.), it is another one of those strange Kratom effects.
SWIM has felt this before but never linked it with poor quality Kratom. Nevertheless, it could potentially be a sign.

[AquafinaOrbit]

SWIM recommends switching suppliers and Kratom strain. I know SWIM prefers around 20g of Thai Kratom, but can feel effects from around 7G+ up.(I know most prefer a lighter dose, but it just does not do much for SWIM at those levels) Also SWIM did tell me once they had Kratom do that to them, but that was with a dose of over 50G. (Bali)

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by AquafinaOrbit

SWIM recommends switching suppliers and Kratom strain. I know SWIM prefers around 20g of Thai Kratom, but can feel effects from around 7G+ up.(I know most prefer a lighter dose, but it just does not do much for SWIM at those levels) Also SWIM did tell me once they had Kratom do that to them, but that was with a dose of over 50G. (Bali)

SWIM takes kratom quite often, but would not even consider taking 20g-- that would be a recipe for nausea. If the kratom is even average, 5g should be enough for anyone not used to taking it. A couple more grammes if making tea.

[Snorkel]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

SWIM takes kratom quite often, but would not even consider taking 20g-- that would be a recipe for nausea. If the kratom is even average, 5g should be enough for anyone not used to taking it. A couple more grammes if making tea.

Hmm. My kitty had a similar experience to Salmon Thief, where the Bali stuff was doing close to nothing. He then tried 8-9g of "premium Thai kratom" from a good vendor, just downed with water, and got some pretty awesome relaxed/euphoric effects.

[killersnowman]

For swim it didnt do much until swim just downed everything he had. but then again swim has been on a straight opiate binge since two years ago. it kinda felt like a dirty, less clear opiate high. swim was unable to focus or think with the clarity of straight opiates.

[enquirewithin]

^^Apparently there has been some very poor Bali kratom circulating.

[SpaceKitten]

Swim has had horrible (as in crappy quality) from all bali kratom he bought from several, vendor lately . both leaf form, potentated leaf form and 3:1 solid resin,
Just eating kratom powder "raaw" has never really giving him good experience,
He does love good Bali Kratom, perhaps the kratom resin Pies if the still around are still great,
otherwise SWIM would reccomend the solid 15x,, as expensive as it is,,

[N0ly]

SWIM suggests getting maeng da. You just cant go wrong with it. It is a little more expensive but its active at 1-2g

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by N0ly

SWIM suggests getting maeng da. You just cant go wrong with it. It is a little more expensive but its active at 1-2g

My cat, who likes kratom, thinks Maeng Da is hardly any stronger than any 'normal' kratom, nor is he impressed by resin. About the only enhanced kratom that is really strong is UEI (there a few other specialist ones too), but standard kratom is much better value.

[TabuIsMe]

SWIY should switch vendors, SWIM has had bali and now uses red thai which is supposed to be premium kratom considered, SWIM can be tolerant with 5 g for a while, but SWIM has also ingested almost an OZ at times over a few hours..and has reached an extremely good euphoria at that. But SWIY should avoid doing that as alot of people are prone to nausa... SWIM gets nausa SOMETIMES at about 12-15 ingested over the day sometimes...

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[AceOvArts]

Different strains of Kratom do have different effects on people, some people just cant take Bali and have to use Thai, some get a better feeling from Malaysian or Indo, I guess one has to try them all to find their fav.
SWIM has always had consistent results from UEI but he regularly uses Enhanced Bali too.
Also Red Vein Thai is good though he finds very little difference in the effect of any of them.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by AceOvArts

Different strains of Kratom do have different effects on people, some people just cant take Bali and have to use Thai, some get a better feeling from Malaysian or Indo, I guess one has to try them all to find their fav.
SWIM has always had consistent results from UEI but he regularly uses Enhanced Bali too.
Also Red Vein Thai is good though he finds very little difference in the effect of any of them.

Agreed. Does SWIY find Enhanced Bali much enhanced over plain Bali?

[AceOvArts]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

Agreed. Does SWIY find Enhanced Bali much enhanced over plain Bali?

Again this is all subject to the quality of Bali thats been enhanced. SWIM does find that he needs less EB than regular leaf but he has also found very good quality Kratom to surpass EB on occasion.
Its all very hit and miss unfortunately.

[BumpBump]

swim has had a 12x enhanced bali and it didnt do much at all for him. But swim had been on 250x and UEI the previous week. Swim also has to take at least 15g of bali to get a reasonable buzz from it.
Swim finds kratom very expensive, and can be a waste of money! Swim usualy eats 5g of enhanced, and 1g of UEI.
Swim just ate 7.5g of Red Vein Thai. Swim not had any kratom for over a month now, but has smoked H about every 1-2 weeks. It's been 25 mins and swim can hardly feel it!

BumpBump added 88 Minutes and 41 Seconds later...

swim just topped up with 5g malaysian and 0.5g UEI... now he is feelin melow

[OhCasey]

Originally Posted by BumpBump

swim has had a 12x enhanced bali and it didnt do much at all for him. But swim had been on 250x and UEI the previous week. Swim also has to take at least 15g of bali to get a reasonable buzz from it.
Swim finds kratom very expensive, and can be a waste of money! Swim usualy eats 5g of enhanced, and 1g of UEI.
Swim just ate 7.5g of Red Vein Thai. Swim not had any kratom for over a month now, but has smoked H about every 1-2 weeks. It's been 25 mins and swim can hardly feel it!

BumpBump added 88 Minutes and 41 Seconds later...

swim just topped up with 5g malaysian and 0.5g UEI... now he is feelin melow

Thats a heavy tolerance for someone who took a month off between use. I can see how kratom could get expensive at those doses. Maybe its your source? I use a "Special" source and i love there products not to mention cheapest prices and best customer service ive experienced in any dealing with any company. I hope im not breaking any rules since im not getting specific with my sources just describing my general experience with kratom.

[sixdosedbabies]

SWIM has a good bit of experience with Kratom... swim and dude have tried many different extraction methods along with different forms of Kratom.. Swim has also taken as much as 18G's at once..... swims ingested 8G's of 10x extract the first time... it was quite terrifying... but not unpleasant.

when extracting Kratom, swim notices that there is a link between the product and the energy emitted by said user. try broiling whole leaf kratom into a tea. use an ounce of vodka or some form of pure grain alcohol if available. This helps coax a few of the alkaloids.. take time to prepare your brew. if treated in a respectful way, swim feels as if the experience as well as the brew will reach a totally different level...