Opinions - Hypothetical Q: Blank Doctor's script....what would you do with it?

[merecat]

Hypothetically speaking, if you, or someone you know who isn't you, came into posession of a blank doctor's script (GP), how would you fill it out?

Swim is curious.

In such a hypothetical situation, what kind of precautions would need to be taken?

[0utrider]

well first SWIm hoeps this is hypothetical, second SWIY should be aware of the consequences he could face and thrid SWIM doesnt know about the scripts in africa..

[old hippie 56]

Personally, swim would tear it up into little biddy pieces and let the wind take it away.

[0utrider]

exactly.. since its also not too hard for SWIY to get what he wants, legally, if he wants to

[Richard_smoker]

yeah, are we talking about African scripts? or US scripts?

in the US, you have to know the doc's DEA number for any controlled substance.. sometimes they are printed right there on the script, but usually not.

Plus, unless you plan on some kind of elaborate way to get this script filled in another location than the doc (out of town pharm, or possibly from an online pharmacy), you're going to have to be able to imitate the dr's handwriting, and his signature.

most pharacists look for handwriting consistencies, signatures, and MOST IMPORTANTLY (yes, even more important than signature) is the STYLE of the prescription. in other words, most docs repeat the same exact instructions over and over and over again.

Let's say that you're thinking of writing for lortab 10mg.

Well, with MOST drs, they almost never write for 10mg. In SWIM's area, 7.5's are written for probably 100:1 over 10mg pils.

So, going with the proposal of having a prescription for lortab 7.5mg for pain, then perhaps your doctor ALWAYS writes for 1-2 tablets po (po=by mouth) q4-6hr prn pain. #20 (that's quantity=20)....then again, maybe he ALWAYS writes something different, like for example, 1 tablet po q6h prn pain. #40. Also, many doc will write out numbers, i.e. (quantity=forty) or (ten mg) directly underneath or adjacent to the numerals themselves. Sometimes they will write Roman Numerals instead, but this is rare.

See the difference? Very small differences make a HUGE impression on a pharmacist.

Trust me. Pharmacists are (on whole) a very very sharp set of professionals. Occasionally, like any other profession, they can get disgruntled with their jobs...feel like a bean-counter (LITERALLY! haha)...or, more likely, they often feel angry &/or depressed about giving out ridiculous amounts of narcotics, benzos, amphetamines, whatever--to people who they can SEE...let's just say that many a patient has "put on" an illness for their frequently-compassionate dr, who might feel sorry for this patient, and give them a prescription for a drug that they probably do NOT actually need. Then, these people will frequently "turn OFF" the character when filling their prescription.

Ever had a pharmacist tell you "Sorry, we don't carry that drug." or "We don't have enough to fill that quantity." or something else along these lines and then NOT insist on helping you out, liek offering to give you a partial fill today, for you to pick up the rest on tuesday???
--If so, then what you've probably experienced is a doctor-pharmacist disconnect. The pharmacist does NOT want to give you the prescribed medication/dose/strength/quantity that the dr has obviously prescribed. The pharmacist does not believe that you NEED the script filled--and he is trying to keep himself OUT of a potential disaster...either now, or down-the-road, or maybe he's just being self-righteous and really doesn't think that you need the medication! This happens all the time.

Sure, it's possible to impersonate a doc by writing scripts on his pad & then getting them filled. But, anyone who attempts to carry out such a feat must be completely aware of the consequences of his/her actions...Be aware that if ANYTHING is out-of-order on the script...like ANYTHING that is out-of-character for that particular doc or from the medical community's standards of practice, in general, then you can BET YOUR ASS THAT PHARMACIST WILL BE CALLING YOUR DOCTOR'S OFFICE AS SOON AS HE TURNS THE CORNER... and if you've really turned over a forged prescription, then you'd better have your lawyer's number handy!

Please understand. the question and feedback are both highly theoretical...please don't misunderstand my intentions as being in support of this proposal. In fact, i am very AGAINST this idea. It is very common thought for people from many walks of life, when they become interested in taking drugs, they eventually get the "bright" idea of writing their OWN scripts...after all, it certainly sounds simple enough...and admitedly, the current situation of simply requiring that someone hand over sloppily-hand-written PAPER scripts, or even worse, simply CALLING in prescriptions for controlled substances---is archaic, and is DEFINITELY the DUMBEST and simplest-to-overcome security system in the entire universe. This entire practice is a carry-over from the 17th century, and is in no way equipped with a single security feature...but I promise you, this will all change very soon.

again, i wouldn't advise this activity to ANYONE. all i've ever heard is bad BAD news coming from this activity...and i've also only heard of people getting CAUGHT. if not the very first time, and if not the 2nd time, then SOMETIME. for sure. end of discussion.

-DICK

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	Excellent informative post, thanks.
	incredibly useful post

[lexifer]

SWIM suggests against this completely. A past aquaintance of his got a hold of a script pad and filled out like five different scripts ranging from oc 40s, 80s, roxi 30s, xanax, and some kind of morphine. He got away with it once and then tried it again and got arrested and is currently on house arrest after being in jail for couple months. SWIM imagines this person will also be on probation for some time as well.

So, bottom line. If SWIM were SWIY he would burn that pad up and never think about it again.

[TheNewLeft]

the magic script

oxycontin 80mg x 100 (oxycodone)

xanax 2mg x 100 (alprazolam)

TheNewLeft added 10 Minutes and 55 Seconds later...

swim has done it before....swim was careful tho....he never sprung for anything too suspect.

the way to do it isnt to write yourself a script, complete with forged signatures, identity theft and all of the potential reprocussions that go along with it....

the smart play is to alter a legitimate script.

ask your doc for something with no recreational value or abuse potential

if it`s for a muscle relaxant or anti-inflamatory write in a believable quantity of an opiate below it

if it`s for a SSRI you can do the same thing with benzos

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	Errr....did you read what was posted above?
	retarted

[MotherSuperior]

Swim has done this many times before but took doc's details from the phone book.SWIM is also very familiar with scripts having at the time an association with hospitals through work and a med student partner who as also into drugs.

SWIM's partner wrote the scripts and there is a certain style even in the writing and also SWIMs partner would write a couple of low abuse potential meds that fitted in with the 'fun' med. This was also in London where there are A LOT of docs and pharmacys.

SWIM partner got caught twice, once this person got away with it as the doc was their own father(the pharmacy called into check it... it was like for 28 Rohypnols, not a CD then). The second time SWIMs partner went into the pharmacy and was asked to come bac later(when SWIM did this SWIM would NEVER come back later only collect the meds then and there and even if they took too long SWIM would run but that never happened). SWIMS partner went back to the pharmacy to pick up the meds, was asked to wait and within 10 minutes the Police arrived. SWIMs partner got 9 months prison but that was suspended for 2 years(first time in trouble with the cops... SWIMs partner was lucky that again SWIMs doc dad helped a lot in the situation but could not save SWIMs partner altogether... most people would have gone to prison.

SWIM did it A LOT in the 90's for a couple of months and the closest SWIM came was when SWIM took the forged script(not stolen, just letterhead printed a laser and filled in by SWIMs partner who for obvious reasons would not goto the pharmact any more) into a pharmacy in the East end and they did not have stock, a week later when doing 'rounds' of pharmacys SWIM took another script for the same items(including Rohypnol) into a North London pharmacy and the chemist that from the East end pharmacy was working in there! The pharmacist recognised SWIM and SWIM kept cool and just said'I hope you have it here, my grandmother needs these meds urgently' SWIM does'nt know if the chemist believed it or did'nt care but SWIM got the meds, payed(forged private script) and left.

Neither SWIM or SWIMs partner ever got CD's that had to be 'checked'... just benzo's, steroids and dihydrocodeine.

SWIM thinks back and thinks SWIM was VERY lucky not to get caught, especially as a conviction would have ruined SWIMs chance of becoming an RN which a few years later SWIM trained for.

As such SWIM knows that nowadays things are MUCH tighter and even though SWIM could get hold of legit NHS scripts, knows how to write scripts, knows the docs 'style' and even knows of a few pharmacys were they would'nt care, SWIM would not try it. Too much to lose, the punishment is severe. SWIM does'nt like jail and is already 'clinging' to SWIMs registration because of SWIM drug use anyway, most of which is scripted.

The bottom line is, SWIM feels that the only things worth getting are contolled drugs anyway, for these they are ALMOST ALWAYS checked by the pharmacy with the prescribing doc. Even these SWIM would rather buy on the black market. For almost any non contolled med lets say that SWIM knows a lot of docs that would do SWIM a favour or in times past before SWIMs work knew about SWIM illicit drug use, SWIM would have just taken them from the ward.... even then SWIM almost got caught over a few benzo amps and nearly lost everything. SWIM would rather buy or feels that if SWIM can't get it on the black market there are few drugs worth the risk.

SWIM knows people that have done this and many, like SWIMs partner, did get caught, some like SWIM did not. SWIM thinks about some of the meds, again like Royhpnol(flunitrazepam) and thinks at the time(NOT now) they were at most a couple of quid on the street and by writing forged private scripts and paying for the meds did not really save much money, same with steroids.

SWIM advises that 'hypothetically' SWIY thinks hard and if goes ahead writes out a script for a few low abuse meds that fit with the 'fun' med(treatment wise), does it for an old lady(!), goes to a pharmacy way out the way where they(probably) don't know the doc and does'nt do it for CD's(if they check in SWIY's locality which they probably do), looks confident when taking it in(preferably to a quite pharmacy with no camera's and not many staff) and if SWIY gets a bad feeling, is asked to come back or wait for a long time, RUN!

TBH, hypothetically if SWIY doesnt know much about writing scripts and/or gets nervous, or can get black market drugs then SWIM would strongly advise against it. Even then, SWIM would say to SWIY what non CD meds are worth the hassle, worry and risk? Also SWIM has been to prison and it isn't much fun(thats another discussion). However in the UK such items as blank NHS scripts have (small)black market value, SWIM would just sell it and buy black market gear.

SWIM does'nt know much about Africa but knows in some countries it is harder than others. SWIM would not dream of doing this in the US but in some countries SWIM knows it's as easy as going to a pharmacy and asking say 'how much are <inesrt med here>' and some pharmacys will tell you that you need a script, some just look at you and give a price!(not in the UK though thats for sure)... so a lot depends on SWIY locality and laws.

Of course, hypothetically.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

I'm assuming that it would indeed be easier if this person lives in Africa.It goes without saying that crime is abit easier in third world nations.However from what I know about third world nations they aren't the place you want to get caught committing crimes.

[Dexyfiend]

Desoxyn (even though there is none where swims from) and oxycontin

[Spare Chaynge]

Swim use to know somebody who knew a person who did this.. he would describe the practice and it always sounded like a very dodgy thing that was bound to be caught.. they only did it with schedule 3 and 4 things.. This had to be some time in the late 90s. They did this a got lots of benzos mainly all the ones that are rare and harder to be prescribed.

Needless to say my friend is in rehab..and his friend who swim never knew is in jail.

[TheNewLeft]

its strange to think that

Acid, Smack, Speed and Meth all used to be produced my pharmaceutical companies

[Stephenwolf]

Originally Posted by TheNewLeft

its strange to think that

Acid, Smack, Speed and Meth all used to be produced my pharmaceutical companies

speed and meth...2 names 1 drug.... speed can refer to a variety of drugs though....also amphetamines including Methamphetamine ARE still produced by Pharmaceutical Companies....so is heroin just not in the U.S. .....

[oxyhydro]

I had a dream that SWIM devised a great plan to forge a prescription, in this dream, SWIM wrote one for 30mg Roxicodone tabs, as well as another for Amoxicillin. IN this dream, SWIM was thinking that the Amoxicillin combined with the Roxicodone script would lower any suspicion because the pharmacist would think that if it was a stolen blank, someone would not waste a whole blank on a worthless (recreation wise) blank when he or she could sell it for a lot of money or use it for more drugs. IN this dream, SWIM brought the scripts to the pharmacy, told them he needed to have them filled immediatly because he was about to leave on a long trip, and also asked for a price quote because swim prefers to pay cash.

In this dream, SWIM waited about 10 minutes, and left the store with 40 30mg Roxicodone pills (1200 mg oxycodone) for $37.28 and 20 500mg Amoxicillin pills for $17.90. A few weeks later, I had another dream where SWIM wrote a single prescription for 100 30mg Roxicodone pills (3000mg oxycodone), had it filled in 5 mins, and paid around $50.

Its been 3 weeks now and I still havent had a dream where the pharmacy called to verify the scripts.

oxyhydro added 1 Minutes and 49 Seconds later...

About my post above, I also had a dream where SWIM knew that this was an extremely unlikely scenario and that most pharmacies call to verify big controlled substance prescriptions.

[merecat]

Following advice here, I chucked the blank script months ago.

[PandorymDMT]

Originally Posted by merecat

Following advice here, I chucked the blank script months ago.

Good Call, although If SWIM could somehow have a 100% fool-proof way of using the Blank Script, he would most likely go for a very large amount of Oxycontin, or other similar drug.